The potencial future of WOWS

[Peffers]

...kerrching.

 

my post 3-4 yrs ago has predicted everything apart from premium ammo.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

3 hours ago, Peffers said:

...kerrching.

 

my post 3-4 yrs ago has predicted everything apart from premium ammo.

 

Oh yeah, we're all familiar with every post anybody made 4 years ago. No link needed.

[Marblehead_1]

I bet we will see more hybrid lines as it was concept much more considered in world than Pr.1047, Ise and Mogami.

I wonder how wide will be river of fecals when WG finally makes I-400 

I wonder about missiles as some early DDG's could be fitting into game, interesting however how WG could make such mechanic as there could be at least three different mechanics which are present in game...

 

If something I'm really curious what "great" change we will get in 2023.

[Adm_Lindemann]

7 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

So you say, and yet you are still here. Tell me, at what point of not going through with a threat does it become an empty threat?

 

 

So? You have neither established any argument of ships with planes being unbalanced nor overrepresented. All I can see is a guy who once tried to play CV, performed very poorly in them, then stopped playing them out of frustration and now tries to bend the narrative to "CVs don't fit in the game". Isn't that a little cheap?

 

 

So what? It's a fanatasy ship. It does not belittle any actual achievement in engineering. Even more so, what is so "german" about a "german" ship? It's not like as a german you are restricted to only play so-called german ships. There are not even factions in the game. Ships of all "nations" play together against other ships of equally mixed "nations". The whole concept of nationality is arbitrary in this game. Yet some people have a strange affiliation to ships that are modelled after historic designs of their home country.  I don't get it. If you don't like the Clausewitz, just play other ships. It's not your problem. If WG wants you to spit out 50M credits to play a ship, let them worry about making it attractive to play.

As I already went through this kind of discussion in a lot of times with other paid trolls in this forum, I will not dig into this again. But, just one thing, so simple HMS Whoever: it's my business, where I am, what I play, how I spent my free time.

Over.

[Nibenay78]

7 hours ago, KillStealBoss said:

There'll be no more free exp ships. 

Was that said officially? I somehow have the feeling I heard that but wasn't sure. Anyways i'm sure they thought it was way too easy and we need some 50-60 different token types instead.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

1 hour ago, Adm_Lindemann said:

As I already went through this kind of discussion in a lot of times with other paid trolls in this forum, I will not dig into this again. But, just one thing, so simple HMS Whoever: it's my business, where I am, what I play, how I spent my free time.

Over.

 

Yeah, you are so right. I get paid by Wargaming to troll users into putting their money where their mouth is and leaving the game. That conclusion of Wargaming paying people to ruin their revenue makes so much sense and testifies to your genius IQ. Chapeau.

[KillStealBoss]

7 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

Was that said officially? I somehow have the feeling I heard that but wasn't sure. Anyways i'm sure they thought it was way too easy and we need some 50-60 different token types instead.

They said there's no ship planned for 2023 for free exp. Same was back in 2022. So don't expect they change their minds. 

[IskuP76_Erkki]

9 hours ago, Marblehead_1 said:

I bet we will see more hybrid lines as it was concept much more considered in world than Pr.1047, Ise and Mogami.

I wonder how wide will be river of fecals when WG finally makes I-400 

I wonder about missiles as some early DDG's could be fitting into game, interesting however how WG could make such mechanic as there could be at least three different mechanics which are present in game...

 

If something I'm really curious what "great" change we will get in 2023.

 

I was a bit surprised that we got this current sub cancer after all and with the few hybrids already around WG didnt pick the easy low hanging fruit of Japanese float plane subs. Besides I-400s there were like 35-36 others in 2-ish classes and they saw action through the war from December 1941. They could play like cumbersome torp DDs that can hide underwater for some time and with a plane they could use to scout for the team.

[Dampfboot]

Denk ich an WOWS in der Nacht, Dann bin ich um den Schlaf gebracht, Ich kann nicht mehr die Augen schließen, Und meine heißen Tränen fließen.

 

We need hedgehogs, squids and limbos.

[SV_Kompresor]

16 hours ago, Hogger4169 said:

A rework to all the ships trying to balance in a clear way avoiding SOVIET BIAS!!!

How about we avoid french and US bias instead? You know, the more prevalent ones. If soviet ships represent soviet bias, I can only imagine how powerful the bias in other lines is.

[lovelacebeer]

When WG decide to release the premium hybrid submarines it should prove entertaining at least watching them try to balance such boats. 
 

I-400 and HMS M2 with their planes will be fantastic just for the drama potential on the forum alone. 
 

Surcouf and HMS M1 with their guns will be more interesting to see how those get balanced. 
 

Personally I’m just curious which will come first missiles or deployable mines. Then we can either have V1 equipped U-boats or HMS Grampus. 
 

Considering all the expense put into submarine develop not to mention all the advertising etc they now need to pay their way.  

[nerderklaus]

On 12/31/2022 at 11:22 AM, KHETTIFER said:

Someone worried they might lose their crutch and end up with just average stats?, i mean it's not like divisions have the ability to be obscenely unbalanced in terms of ship composition and the fact the MM predominately likes to place divisions on one side and none on the other.

You remind of of the scrub groups that argued to be allowed to drop with 12 mans against pugs in mwo because they got detroyed by actual good 12 man teams in the group Q, insisted that solo players were a minority and didn't matter, when the opposite was true.

PS. Imagine only ever playing in divisions against what has to be the worst playerbase in gaming and actually thinking your unicum stats mattered. (yeah i know i'm gonna get shredded for this, but it's to funny not to.)

I already did expect something like this. Just look at all the CV mains who panic and insult at threads with requests like making defAA useful. Submarine and supership players obviously want to keep their free points in a way analogue to that. Guess why the worst noobs are playing t10 all the time...

[nerderklaus]

15 hours ago, Adm_Lindemann said:

As I already went through this kind of discussion in a lot of times with other paid trolls in this forum, I will not dig into this again. But, just one thing, so simple HMS Whoever: it's my business, where I am, what I play, how I spent my free time.

Over.

Such methods are common these days. When we demonstrated against the fearmongerings of the last years and they send paid trolls to demonstrate against us. Same with the fearmongering they did before and after this.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 23 Stunden, nerderklaus sagte:

Such methods are common these days. When we demonstrated against the fearmongerings of the last years and they send paid trolls to demonstrate against us. Same with the fearmongering they did before and after this.

Who are "they", if I may ask?

 

 

As for Lindemann: I'm sorry that he apparently cannot wrap his mind around the fact that some people may actually have a different opinion than him. That his opinion is not the end all be all and all compassing truth. That they are not arguing against him because they are paid to do it, but because they actually and genuinely think he's wrong. This "You disagree with me? You must be a paid troll!" argument is so old and so lame, it's long been fossilised and found to have no legs at all to stand on.

 

 

Oh, by the way: As much as I think they are stupid and broken as they are, do not fit into the game and if put in at all, should have their own game mode. I have spent enough time in forums to realise that yes, a decently large (or at least loud) group of people did indeed ask for subs. And has done so for years. So "the majority has not asked for" quite likely. But "no one asked for" is definitely wrong.

[LiveWire___]

On 12/31/2022 at 10:28 AM, HMS_Kilinowski said:

You make your own choices, but if you deliberately skip an experience, you are not qualified to give your expertise about it.

Wrong.

 

He plays the game, and is allowed to express his opinion about it. Note that I say "opinion" rather than "expertise", because at no point did he profess to be an expert. 

 

A similar analogy would be to say "You aren't a musician, and so can't criticise music" 

 

What? You think your 23,639 battles entitles you to pontificate to others about what they may or may not do or say?

 

I've noticed a number of your clan mates like to do that. 

 

Hilarious  

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 29 Minuten, LiveWire___ sagte:

Wrong.

 

He plays the game, and is allowed to express his opinion about it. Note that I say "opinion" rather than "expertise", because at no point did he profess to be an expert. 

 

A similar analogy would be to say "You aren't a musician, and so can't criticise music" 

 

What? You think your 23,639 battles entitles you to pontificate to others about what they may or may not do or say?

 

I've noticed a number of your clan mates like to do that. 

 

Hilarious  

The OP however did put his thoughts out in a way that suggests expertise and his opinion being a binding truth. Not just a personal opinion. That's what he was called out on. You saying that someone who actually put in the time and worked up the expertise may not do so? Basically a "You're an expert, so you may not criticise people who aren't about mistakes they make.", is that your point here?

 

If you want to argue about the tone in which it was done, gladly. But you read as if you want to deny it in general.

[LiveWire___]

7 minutes ago, LukkaiCH said:

The OP however did put his thoughts out in a way that suggests expertise and his opinion being a binding truth. Not just a personal opinion. That's what he was called out on. You saying that someone who actually put in the time and worked up the expertise may not do so? Basically a "You're an expert, so you may not criticise people who aren't about mistakes they make.", is that your point here?

 

If you want to argue about the tone in which it was done, gladly. But you read as if you want to deny it in general.

 

I wasn't talking to you. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

39 minutes ago, LiveWire___ said:

 

I wasn't talking to you. 

With every post in a public section you are talking to the whole forum as everyone can listen in/read and respond, that's why its a forum. If you want a private conversation there is the direct messages option you can use. 

 

Also it kind feels like you really want to avoid differing perspectives which is also something forums are for.

[LiveWire___]

27 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

With every post in a public section you are talking to the whole forum as everyone can listen in/read and respond, that's why its a forum. If you want a private conversation there is the direct messages option you can use. 

 

Also it kind feels like you really want to avoid differing perspectives which is also something forums are for.

 

Not at all. I'm a perfectly reasonable guy, and quite enjoy the cut and thrust of rational, reasonable debate.

 

But as I said. I wasn't talking to @LukkaiCH

 

I was talking to @HMS_Kilinowski.

 

I'm aware of how this forum works, thank you. 

 

Think of my comment being made in a room full of people, my talking to someone, and then having someone butting in.

 

I find it rude. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, LiveWire___ said:

Think of my comment being made in a room full of people, my talking to someone, and then having someone butting in.

Thats not how this works though in forums.

 

2 minutes ago, LiveWire___ said:

 I'm aware of how this forum works, thank you

therefore you dont fully understand how they work or you deliberately try to use them in a manner that is more comfortable to you.

Why else would you want to make the above quoted example? Please explain it to me if you want to use your time for that so maybe I can find out if I'm missing something here.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

It's going to be a little awkward if we have to check in advance to which and whose post will we be allowed to respond here.

[Fatal_Ramses]

What will happen in the future of WOWS?

Well, majority of the playerbase will make drop from "plain bad" to "needs assistance to breath via mouth" in play skill.

 

I see genius players like these grinding their VIII Bismarck's in operations.

I haven't touched Random games in 9 months but I bet its going to be even worse.

[LiveWire___]

1 hour ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

therefore you dont fully understand how they work or you deliberately try to use them in a manner that is more comfortable to you.

 

Actually, and as I've said (which you may have neglected to read), I enjoy debate. 

 

But it looks like the past few posts have consisted of people wilfully ignoring the fact that I wasn't addressing them.

 

Frankly, if folk disagree with anything I say, or my tone, then they're more than welcome to say so.

 

But if they expect a response, then they'll be disappointed. Im not going to lead this thread further down the garden path to justify my choice of words any further.

 

In this context, I'm interested in a response only from the person to whom I was speaking. 

 

That is all. 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

 

20 hours ago, LiveWire___ said:

Wrong.

 

He plays the game, and is allowed to express his opinion about it. Note that I say "opinion" rather than "expertise", because at no point did he profess to be an expert. 

 

No not wrong. If anything, wrong in your opinion, but correct for any person that thinks about what they read.

 

I mean first of all if you dare to write a statement like this to some other forum user:

19 hours ago, LiveWire___ said:

I wasn't talking to you. 

then how can you involve yourself in a discussion that was also not addressed to you? The same standards apply to both of you. Either he has every right to comment on your post, even if it was not addressed to him, or you don't have any right to comment on my post since that wasn't addressed to you.

 

And second, I did not say he had no right to express an opinion. I said he wasn't qualified to do so. Nobody wants to take away anybody's freedom of speech. Just please, for once, think before you write, is all I'm saying.

 

The other thing that needs to be said is that we are never short of expressions of opinion in this forum. Literally with the rise of social media, the volume of opinions has skyrocketed. Everybody claims his freedom of speech.

What about my freedom of listening?

Don't I have a right to listen?

I claim I do.

And I demand that what I am forced to listen to is not an indistinguishable medley of unqualified opinions.

I mean do you have any idea what a forum is for? What about the people wanting an expertise? This is why they come to the forum. When they write topics, they often specifically ask people who e.g. do have a certain ship in port or fulfil other criteria they see as the basis for an expertise. If you go to the doctor, do you want the doctor's opinion or are you fine with the entire waiting room joining in on the conversation and each trying to tell you what illness your symptoms might indicate?

There is a freedom of speech, but there is also a right for expertise and nobody has the right to claim expertise and confuse a help-seeking individual with a non-expert horse manure opinion.

 

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A similar analogy would be to say "You aren't a musician, and so can't criticise music" 

 

What? You think your 23,639 battles entitles you to pontificate to others about what they may or may not do or say?

 

I've noticed a number of your clan mates like to do that. 

 

Hilarious  

 

Again, I didn't tell the OP and usually don't tell anybody what they may or may not do. It's a free world. I do however allow myself to tell people the consequences of their actions.

And when it comes to talking about the game, then yes, there is a certain amount of experience that entitles a person to have a qualified opinion, maybe even an expertise. It doesn't come from a certain number of battles, as you can easily find some 45%er with even double my amount of battles and I wouldn't recommend following their advice. The number of battles tho is part of that expertise. When it comes to certain aspects of the game I frequently ask clan mates that know more than me about details. I can only recommend to you or anybody to read very carefully whatever some of my clan mates recommend, as I myself have a great deal of respect for their knowledge.

 

On top of that, as I said, it's not the number of battles. What you fail to see is that many of us spend countless hours in training rooms, watching replays, checking and comparing data, to understand how the game works. I don't just rush from battle to battle, without reflecting on what I did and whether it worked or not. I observe my opponents and read their plays. I try to understand what motivates them. Not just to hopefully win against them, but mostly because I learn 24/7.

 

And yes, being a musician helps a lot appreciating good music, cause, as in WoWs, I cherish what you may not even notice.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Perhaps we should ask for the forum rules to be revised? Everyone only reading and responding to their own posts, not anyone else's. That way we could all avoid any awkward misunderstandings, or miscommunications.