BOTS in Ranked

[thomss001]

Ranked according to WG is a competition between humans but recently we can encounter (allegedly*) more and more bots. It started few month ago with just one per game, last night I had 3 (In my opinion*) in a match.

This problem is clearly visible in gold as there are much fewer players there.

Probably it is because of the low number of players affecting waiting times but this should have never been allowed.

 

How do I know I have been tracking them for some time. They even have clans :) thousands of games and WR around 50% (based on my own research*)

 

Ranked is Ranked players vs players not players and bots.

 

I wish someone from the YT community or even some CC with balls would push WG about it.

 

And WG if you are reading it please stop

 

* - my lawyers helped me with wording of this post

 

 

[Hirohito]

A 50% WR bot in ranked gold is a pretty damn strong bot, so to say.

[thomss001]

21 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

A 50% WR bot in ranked gold is a pretty damn strong bot, so to say.

Their behaviour is random and I would assume that stats are made up. 

Some times they go to the edge of the map, sometimes they aim wrong way and other times they play ok for an AI but you can tell straight away it is not human. 

 

[ColonelPete]

• stats are not made up
• a bot with 50% winrate in gold is extremly unlikely
• it is possible that players turn on bot programs for a short time, but the risks are too great that this is likely in gold
• have you considered the possibilty that players at 3 AM are tired or drunk?

[thomss001]

31 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• stats are not made up
• a bot with 50% winrate in gold is extremly unlikely
• it is possible that players turn on bot programs for a short time, but the risks are too great that this is likely in gold
• have you considered the possibilty that players at 3 AM are tired or drunk?

First of all there should be no BOTS in ranked as per WG description of this mode.

Second, ranked are not played at 3 AM 

Third I really see those 'players' 2 - 3 times a session in ranked. Have 5 accounts added to the black list. And it is supper common now for me to encounter them on the server.

However your point about players on bot software made me wonder... but why to do that in Ranked? Especially in gold? For steel and gold? Maybe...

 

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, thomss001 said:

First of all there should be no BOTS in ranked as per WG description of this mode.

WG does not control the players.

[MixuS]

Bots are everywhere!

[thomss001]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

WG does not control the players.

Ok so these are real accounts connected to a bot software to play games in order to benefit from the rewards?

I have never heard about such software but I also have not looked for one. 

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, thomss001 said:

Ok so these are real accounts connected to a bot software to play games in order to benefit from the rewards?

I have never heard about such software but I also have not looked for one. 

It is old. There were some problems in the past, but it is mostly a nuisance. WoT seems to be affected more harshly.

Spoiler

 

 

[MoveZig]

I could maybe see bots getting 50% if they're competently programmed to shoot accurately and wasdhax once they detect incoming fire, but that game-throwing behavior described would end in sub-45% for sure.

 

Also how do you "tell straight away" that it's a bot if it's playing "okay"? I mean, if it bumrushes the enemy like a co-op bot, fine, you don't see players do that. But broadsiding, shooting at the furthest target, camping inside of smoke, laying smoke that just blinds the team, humping the border in a German BB, putting out single fires instantly, sailing in a straight line and eating every torp, all that is common human potato behavior.

[159Hunter]

4 hours ago, thomss001 said:

* - my lawyers helped me with wording of this post

Clearly not, or your lawyers would've advised you to provide proof. You know, innocent untill proven otherwise.

 

[KillStealBoss]

57 minutes ago, thomss001 said:

Ok so these are real accounts connected to a bot software to play games in order to benefit from the rewards?

I have never heard about such software but I also have not looked for one. 

Some people are using bot programs. If you want I can show you a deliberate examples of botting in the game. Accounts having 40-50k battles played and having PR below 100. 

I don't wanna do it in public because of name and shame, so better via PM so you could see... 

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 3 Stunden, MoveZig sagte:

 I mean, if it bumrushes the enemy like a co-op bot, fine, you don't see players do that.

Actually Jingles MoveZig...

 

Yeah. Even with the little PvP I've played, definitely seen that from players. Complete with complaining about "potato team, no support" afterwards.

[lup3s]

20 hours ago, thomss001 said:

How do I know I have been tracking them for some time. They even have clans :) thousands of games and WR around 50% (based on my own research*)

 

Ngl I'd prefer a 50% wr bot as a teammate over the average Wows player 

[Kruzenstern]

18 hours ago, MoveZig said:

I could maybe see bots getting 50% if they're competently programmed to shoot accurately and wasdhax once they detect incoming fire, but that game-throwing behavior described would end in sub-45% for sure.

 

With the players seemingly getting worse and worse, and AI becoming increasingly more advanced, I would not be surprised at all by bots reaching a 50% win rate. Some of the 'players' in operations shoot so bad that I get the impression they don't understand the concept of leading...

 

18 hours ago, MoveZig said:

I mean, if it bumrushes the enemy like a co-op bot, fine, you don't see players do that.

 

Actually, you do see players do that. I have been doing that myself, when there was a mission to collect spotting ribbons in a DD, and coop was infested with CVs, I resorted to doing it in ranked because there was a guarantee for no CV. And since I am a terrible DD player, finally spotting their DD (which means I was already spotted for a while seeing how Marceau doesn't have the best camo) usually resulted in my quick demise.

[citaDELer]

this is basic, why ranked are crazy. wg have info..but they do nnnnnnothing

 

untill this will be unchanged..ranked will be a crap

 

 

[ColonelPete]

18 minutes ago, Kruzenstern said:

Actually, you do see players do that. I have been doing that myself, when there was a mission to collect spotting ribbons in a DD, and coop was infested with CVs, I resorted to doing it in ranked because there was a guarantee for no CV. And since I am a terrible DD player, finally spotting their DD (which means I was already spotted for a while seeing how Marceau doesn't have the best camo) usually resulted in my quick demise.

And people wonder about one sided or short battles...

[MarChil]

As long as WG fails at basic quality control, players will be uncaring about performing well and doing their best. This will result in one-sided battles and more uncaring players. All the while WG is either blind, to arrogant or to dumb to understand and will happely yolo ahead with more cow-manure types/ships that will add further to these problems. Ofcourse it isn't WG fault, because 'it's the playerbase' fairytales are maintained.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 4 Stunden, MarChil sagte:

As long as WG fails at basic quality control, players will be uncaring about performing well and doing their best.

No offense. But if you truly believe that perfect quality control at WG would change much about the player performance, I have this nice little bridge in Brooklyn I could make you a good price for. The only fairytale here is that players will suddenly become better, less egotistic or more heavily invested in mass numbers because the game is better. The few ones where it actually will work like that won't make much of a difference.

[nerderklaus]

Well, uneven distribution of braindead people is the core mechanic of any MM game. The communities are very weird, f.e. the DSP guy rightfully got criticism for his EVO achievements, but his EVO achievements are still more legitimate than results with teams of random people where every match can be pre-determined by multiple 100% useless players in one of the teams. Usually these matchmaking games are made in a way that a bad player can have more negative impact on his team than a good player can have good impact on his team, most notably feeders in Dota and any Dota-clone.

 

All these statements about fairplay are hypocrisy as long as most matches are decided by teams getting sabotages from inside. I had a perfect example of this yesterday. I had a match against enemies so bad that I could solo-kill 5 of team in a Kron, a ship that is greatly mitigated by an act as simple as angling. Obviously I had a very bad enemy team, but my team managed to die quickly to these enemies without doing noticable damage to them. As long as such battles can happen there is no fairplay in this game.

[Shaka_D]

On 12/29/2022 at 12:02 PM, thomss001 said:

* - my lawyers helped me with wording of this post

 

Your lawyers must be bored? And you say 'lawyers', as in plural?...hands up here who even has one lawyer. I can't even afford to spell the word, lol.

[citaDELer]

another my BOTs team..

 

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