Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #1 Posted December 28, 2022 ... Kuznetzsov's super powers works on balans subs! Seems like Lesta has the hand up the rear of the... puppet, making sure the bias is still stronk, comrade! First blood with a sub is rather common and not flooding or burning to death would be quite convenient, especially as your repairs are limited. In this case it didn't help as balans sub collided with protected class, but still - you may say, if they even fix the oil spil, that's fine, the environment will thank him, but that makes russian subs even worse than the others. Can't think of any other captain skill being as useful as Kuznetzov, again. Maybe the french one? Also, commanders with improved skills for submarines when @Seraphice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #2 Posted December 28, 2022 Yes they do benefit from Kuznecov. Just like Lutjens that gives you a little bit of heal after spotting 3 ships (on the sub it's not so small heal though) . With the upcoming British subs - Cunningham will be a good option too when you get 4 floodings the ship will go faster, 2 kills give you another DCP. Once I was very close to get a kraken on i-56... Imagine that heal and the torp reload going even crazier, it could be about 25 sec with Yamamoto skill + AR. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #3 Posted December 28, 2022 Lütjens on German subs gives them easy access to heal, recovering around 1/4 to 1/3 of your max HP when triggered. This makes him utterly broken on a sub. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #4 Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, El2aZeR said: Lütjens on German subs gives them easy access to heal, recovering around 1/4 to 1/3 of your max HP when triggered. This makes him utterly broken on a sub. Depends if there's a CV to steal the spotting ribbons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #5 Posted December 28, 2022 6 hours ago, El2aZeR said: Lütjens on German subs gives them easy access to heal, recovering around 1/4 to 1/3 of your max HP when triggered. This makes him utterly broken on a sub. I reskilled him as of earlier today, but haven't yet managed to trigger it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #6 Posted December 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: I reskilled him as of earlier today, but haven't yet managed to trigger it. Too many CVs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #7 Posted December 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Too many CVs? More like not getting enough spotting done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #8 Posted December 28, 2022 Won't the smoke be a problem? Someone said that Kuznetsov was a heavy smoker. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #9 Posted December 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: More like not getting enough spotting done. Yeah that's what I mean. When I'm a DD and I want to get spotting ribbons - the CV in my team is a problem cause he's stealing all spotting ribbons, unless it's a FDR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[K3RLS] MarChil Players 509 posts 13,275 battles Report post #10 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, KillStealBoss said: Yeah that's what I mean. When I'm a DD and I want to get spotting ribbons - the CV in my team is a problem cause he's stealing all spotting ribbons, unless it's a FDR. Who said DD's are for spotting? Shouldn't they be rear lining and spamming HE with the cruisers and BB's? Isn't that their historical job? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #11 Posted December 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, MarChil said: Who said DD's are for spotting? Shouldn't they be rear lining and spamming HE with the cruisers and BB's? Isn't that their historical job? Nope. To do this, they have smoke, why stay in the back row when you can blind everyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[K3RLS] MarChil Players 509 posts 13,275 battles Report post #12 Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: Nope. To do this, they have smoke, why stay in the back row when you can blind everyone? true. But that's a feature. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #13 Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, MarChil said: true. But that's a feature. Depends. Things like Ragnar, Delny or Elbing aren't spotting DDs. They are flankers that spam HE/AP from distance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[K3RLS] MarChil Players 509 posts 13,275 battles Report post #14 Posted December 28, 2022 Just now, KillStealBoss said: Depends. Things like Ragnar, Delny or Elbing aren't spotting DDs. They are flankers that spam HE/AP from distance. ehhm... never mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #15 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, KillStealBoss said: Depends. Things like Ragnar, Delny or Elbing aren't spotting DDs. They are flankers that spam HE/AP from distance. I've lost count of the games with only one or entirely without a DD recently. I can understand anyone who doesn't, who want's to be on the receiving end of a supershit fffffun button? To play a DD that farms from smoke and can't contest a cap like Elbing in this meta? Never mind gunboating, there at least you usually spot something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #16 Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: I've lost count of the games with only one or entirely without a DD recently. I can understand anyone who doesn't, who want's to be on the receiving end of a supershit fffffun button? To play a DD that farms from smoke and can't contest a cap like Elbing in this meta? Never mind gunboating, there at least you usually spot something... The more light cruisers WG will launch (and everything shows that they will) the more Elbings we will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #17 Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, KillStealBoss said: The more light cruisers WG will launch (and everything shows that they will) the more Elbings we will see. Yeah, light cruisers are the scourge of WoWs. Maybe they should give CVs automatically launched guided missiles to deal with these when they come too close for comfort.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Seraphice WG Staff 1,664 posts 7,812 battles Report post #18 Posted January 4 On 12/28/2022 at 1:33 AM, Karkong_the_Impaler said: ... Kuznetzsov's super powers works on balans subs! Seems like Lesta has the hand up the rear of the... puppet, making sure the bias is still stronk, comrade! First blood with a sub is rather common and not flooding or burning to death would be quite convenient, especially as your repairs are limited. In this case it didn't help as balans sub collided with protected class, but still - you may say, if they even fix the oil spil, that's fine, the environment will thank him, but that makes russian subs even worse than the others. Can't think of any other captain skill being as useful as Kuznetzov, again. Maybe the french one? Also, commanders with improved skills for submarines when @Seraphice? As others mentioned Kuznetsov is not the only one, as it works for all other legendary commanders as well. And as others have mentioned, the other legendary commanders are plenty strong too. Fair seas captain! ~Sera Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #19 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, Seraphice said: And as others have mentioned, the other legendary commanders are plenty strong too. Opposed to @El2aZeR opinion I do not think the Lütjen superpower is op, it usually procs once and that usually way too early in the game - or not at all, if there is a CV around. The heal is nice though, if it works, but it has yet to make a difference. It's way worse than Kuznetzov, especially considering that first blood isn't really rare. It's just a bit better than Sansonetti for a sub and that is because Sansonetti doesn't have a single thing working with subs (unless manual gun gimmick for italian subs). Philippe Auboyneau is probably the best, from the stats alone, +10% flooding chance when you cap and 5% reload speed after a devstrike (i.e. after murdering a poor hapless DD/CA, which happens rather often with the alpha) The question for you was a bit different, though, I was wondering when the special captains get bonuses to certain skills like they do for the surface ships and even for the scourge of the skies. And now that I mention it, the scourge of the sky get special superpowers that work just with planes. When will these superpowers be reconsidered to include subs? I mean, just look at poor Sansonetti, he feels like a Druid on a "set on fire or flooding" mission.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #20 Posted January 4 I also just discovered something shocking here: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Ubertron_X [NWP] Beta Tester 2,657 posts 25,756 battles Report post #21 Posted January 4 Just some five cents and only slightly off topic: Balancing ships with legendary commanders in mind is bad, hmkay! 1) Not all legendary commanders are easy to obtain, looking at you Sansonetti. 2) Not all ships in every single random match will be captained by legendary commanders exclusively. 3) Legendary skills are anyway disabled in competitive modes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #22 Posted January 4 10 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said: Just some five cents and only slightly off topic: Balancing ships with legendary commanders in mind is bad, hmkay! 1) Not all legendary commanders are easy to obtain, looking at you Sansonetti. 2) Not all ships in every single random match will be captained by legendary commanders exclusively. 3) Legendary skills are anyway disabled in competitive modes. Superpowers are bad, I'll give you that, because they have a lot of impact and WG borked the balancing (Kutznezov anyone?) - but I play my randoms competetively, thankyouverymuch. And they're disabled only in CW, not in ranked nor in brawls, AFAIR. Also, I have them all, so I don't care about the scrubs. And if even CVs get specially tailored superpowers to even better on everyone in range (and everyone is in range), I want that, too, it's only fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #23 Posted January 4 22 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: Superpowers are bad, I'll give you that, because they have a lot of impact and WG borked the balancing (Kutznezov anyone?) - but I play my randoms competetively, thankyouverymuch. And they're disabled only in CW, not in ranked nor in brawls, AFAIR. Also, I have them all, so I don't care about the scrubs. And if even CVs get specially tailored superpowers to even better on everyone in range (and everyone is in range), I want that, too, it's only fair. A very balanced view, if I may say so. Whereas I bring a mitigating factor to the table, my own subpowers. I balance the teamplay, so I should really be called the Equalizer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Seraphice WG Staff 1,664 posts 7,812 battles Report post #24 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Ubertron_X said: Just some five cents and only slightly off topic: Balancing ships with legendary commanders in mind is bad, hmkay! In general balancing is done based on regular commanders being used. 2 hours ago, Ubertron_X said: 1) Not all legendary commanders are easy to obtain, looking at you Sansonetti. The cost in coal is close to other commanders overall, but all fair points :) 2 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: The question for you was a bit different, though, I was wondering when the special captains get bonuses to certain skills like they do for the surface ships and even for the scourge of the skies. They may in the future but right now there are no plans for the forseeable future, also because the amount of sub branches is rather limited. Fair seas captain! ~Sera 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
