Why play Ohio over Thunderer?

[OldPappy]

On 12/27/2022 at 10:53 AM, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Im really struggling on what ship to get for free in research bureau. Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

 

The 2 real contenders for me is either Vampire 2 or Ohio. Vampire 2 since im a DD Main and really love trying to get DDs to shine but seems like a very gimmicky (crawling smoke) side grade to Daring. Ohio seems strong and most recommend it but I dont really enjoy playing T10 BBs that much, mostly I play my T9 earners like Missouri, Jean Bart, Georgia and Kearsarge. If I want to play T10 BBs I already have ships like Schleiffen, Thunderer or Conqueror which are really strong. So would I choose to play Ohio over any of them ..... EVER?

 

Slava and the rest of the RB ships are really un-interesting to me.

 

I guess Ohio has fast heals and decent secondary's, but why choose it over Thunderer that can devastate BBs with both its HE and AP?

Compadre! I am not a bb person. Like you I am dd main. I have the Ohio and its fun. Great guns and it takes a lot of punishment. Much more forgiving than Thunderer which I also enjoy. 
But the Vampire II is fantastic!!!

its a Daring with better stealth. And the long range hydro and the smoke can be much more effective than the z52 catching and killing dds in cap. Speedboost for escapes. 
the drawback is the lack of heal, slow speed and long reload of the crawling smoke. 
But I think the stealth, hydro and guns outweigh the cons. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Why do you think a capable player can get more out of Colbert than Smolensk?

I once tanked 4.x M damage with Colbert, solo entertainer for the whole flank. Also keeping them spotted and murdering a sub in between, while pissing on everything in range.

Don't get me wrong, I like(d) smolensk very much but I haven't much played it in years now, but honestly, the skill floor is so low, it's basically a point and click adventure.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I once tanked 4.x M damage with Colbert, solo entertainer for the whole flank. Also keeping them spotted and murdering a sub in between, while pissing on everything in range.

Don't get me wrong, I like(d) smolensk very much but I haven't much played it in years now, but honestly, the skill floor is so low, it's basically a point and click adventure.

 

Only skill ceiling matters and that is not low in Smolensk.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

On 12/27/2022 at 7:50 PM, tocqueville8 said:

 

Because Colbert has:

1. double the DPM (higher still in theory, but 2/8 turrets are hard to use)
2. the same speed boost
3. four improved heals (Montana-like size, but 50% of citadel damage)
4. unique looks
5. some actual history

All I can say is: I have both, got them at about the same time, but I've played the Colbert a lot more even though I like the Marceau.

 

On 12/27/2022 at 7:50 PM, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

uh....

 

 

 

 

It basically is a different thing, Mademoiselle Marceau is an open water attention , Colbert does that only out of necessity. They're similar but not the same - if you enjoy Marceau, I'm sure you like Colbert.

Just watch BBs wet their pants once you aim your golden shower of love in their general direction, it's hilarious. And all BBabies deserve to burn.

 

Fires per minute are 20 vs 10, too... but alas, no torps. But hilarious AP dpm at short ranges.

 

 

I do get that it has better DPM but just thought the playstyle was to similar and range to similar to motivate the investment. Marceau can still perform DD duties and take caps while the Colbert will be struggerling.

 

That said, I pulled the trigger on Ohio this time but will probably go for Colbert and Vampire 2 next because they seem a bit interesting. Ohio seems pretty great I must say.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Only skill ceiling matters and that is not low in Smolensk.

Then we'd all play Midway.

No, what I'm trying to say is that it's not nearly as exciting.....

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

46 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Then we'd all play Midway.

 

Are you trying to say that Midway has a high skill ceiling?

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

9 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Are you trying to say that Midway has a high skill ceiling?

As in allowing you to dominate the entire match if you're very good? Yes. You just go to hell for it.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

34 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

As in allowing you to dominate the entire match if you're very good? Yes. You just go to hell for it.

 

All CVs just have a low skill floor, allowing you to dominate the match if you are not a complete noob.

[Redcap375]

Ohio without secondary captain skills isn't using the ship to its full potential.

 

It has 40% better accurate secondaries baked in, which german BBs dont.. Do not underestimate 127mm, they deal with DDs great and with demo expert (which I run) and full fire flags it's a sure fire. BB Superstructure pens is a given and they are fast firing. 

 

However, run the 5th slot main gun accuracy as those guns are where its at.

Of all guns in the game BB wise, these IMHO are some of the best tier for tier regarding lack of overpens on cruisers, good DD main gun damage and enough to cit BBs reliably. 

 

Like all matches, take note of your enemy line up and map before deciding where to play in the game (kite, medium or push).  But it's not restricted in its play style unlike the thunderer or others. 

 

It's at its best medium range waiting for a push but not worried about kiting if it needs to.

 

True story, once pushed into a cap and killed 3 div DDs at the same time (more or less).  

[WingedHussar_Adler]

4 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

All CVs just have a low skill floor, allowing you to dominate the match if you are not a complete noob.

It is so wrong on so many levels. Most players can not read the game to use cvs strenght and are potatoing in it hard. Especially if cv is not top tier. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

20 minutes ago, WingedHussar_Adler said:

It is so wrong on so many levels. Most players can not read the game to use cvs strenght and are potatoing in it hard. Especially if cv is not top tier. 

 

The players you describe will suck in any class.

 

It is still way easier to dominate in a CV than in the other classes, especially if you are just a mediocre player.

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

7 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

The players you describe will suck in any class.

 

It is still way easier to dominate in a CV than in the other classes, especially if you are just a mediocre player.

 

Cv has all the Tools that player need to be dominant. But sadly state of the game right now is that in most case you do not need to fear anybody except your own team 😅

[Ronchabale]

On 12/27/2022 at 10:53 AM, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Im really struggling on what ship to get for free in research bureau. Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

I got the Ohio a few weeks ago, havn´t used it tho

As you said nothing else of interest (part from maybe Stalin)

I first got the LM for Conq, had a few laughs with the 15.2 km conceal "lighthouse" build and the 8.3 sec rudder shift, only had a 6p captain in it and it did rather well. 

 

[nerderklaus]

On 12/29/2022 at 5:58 PM, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

All CVs just have a low skill floor, allowing you to dominate the match if you are not a complete noob.

There still are some differences, f.e. the Malta DBs being scary for cruisers, even if the Malta player is unable to hit GKs with TBs... Probably the most broken CV at the moment.