Why play Ohio over Thunderer?

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

Im really struggling on what ship to get for free in research bureau. Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

 

The 2 real contenders for me is either Vampire 2 or Ohio. Vampire 2 since im a DD Main and really love trying to get DDs to shine but seems like a very gimmicky (crawling smoke) side grade to Daring. Ohio seems strong and most recommend it but I dont really enjoy playing T10 BBs that much, mostly I play my T9 earners like Missouri, Jean Bart, Georgia and Kearsarge. If I want to play T10 BBs I already have ships like Schleiffen, Thunderer or Conqueror which are really strong. So would I choose to play Ohio over any of them ..... EVER?

 

Slava and the rest of the RB ships are really un-interesting to me.

 

I guess Ohio has fast heals and decent secondary's, but why choose it over Thunderer that can devastate BBs with both its HE and AP?

[arttuperkunas]

5 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Im really struggling on what ship to get for free in research bureau. Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

 

The 2 real contenders for me is either Vampire 2 or Ohio. Vampire 2 since im a DD Main and really love trying to get DDs to shine but seems like a very gimmicky (crawling smoke) side grade to Daring. Ohio seems strong and most recommend it but I dont really enjoy playing T10 BBs that much, mostly I play my T9 earners like Missouri, Jean Bart, Georgia and Kearsarge. If I want to play T10 BBs I already have ships like Schleiffen, Thunderer or Conqueror which are really strong. So would I choose to play Ohio over any of them ..... EVER?

 

Slava and the rest of the RB ships are really un-interesting to me.

 

I guess Ohio has fast heals and decent secondary's, but why choose it over Thunderer that can devastate BBs with both its HE and AP?

Ohio has better armor and fast heals. You can push in an Ohio, unlike a Thunderer. There are the secondaries too, though they aren't IMO that important at T10 (unless you have really good secondaries, like Schlieffen). If you're willing to sacrifice secondaries, you can also get good range on the Ohio with the 3rd slot upgrade.

 

But because of the above advantages, Ohio does not IMO play in the same way as a Thunderer. So it's a weird question, as they have different playstyles.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

3 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Ohio has better armor and fast heals. You can push in an Ohio, unlike a Thunderer. There are the secondaries too, though they aren't IMO that important at T10 (unless you have really good secondaries, like Schlieffen). If you're willing to sacrifice secondaries, you can also get good range on the Ohio with the 3rd slot upgrade.

 

But because of the above advantages, Ohio does not IMO play in the same way as a Thunderer. So it's a weird question, as they have different playstyles.

Thanks for the answer. So I should almost ask "Why play Ohio over Schleiffen" then?

 

I just dont want to get a new port queen, with all that time I collected RB points.

[_Kokushibo_]

Ohio is my choice for ranked when I want to play a BB. Unlike Thunderer, it can tank damage, thus it can push when needed. It has armor, fast heal and big guns - what Schlieffen doesn't. It has good enough secondaries to start fires and to finish off low hp DDs. It has access to Artillery Plotting Room Modification 2, which improves the dispersion. IMHO is one of the best BBs at tier 10. But then the BB line Massachusetts - Georgia - Ohio (all have access to fast heal and accurate secondaries) is my favorite too.

[arttuperkunas]

23 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Thanks for the answer. So I should almost ask "Why play Ohio over Schleiffen" then?

 

I just dont want to get a new port queen, with all that time I collected RB points.

I suppose? Though again, Schlieffen and Ohio have different playstyles. Ohio is a fairly tanky, jack of all trades mid to close range brawler. Schlieffen is either a yolo suicide bomber or a kiting cruiser that opportunistically turns into a brawler. Can't immediately think of a similar ship to Ohio in tech tree or other premiums. 

 

Ohio is a very strong ship. I don't really play it much mainly because I don't usually play BB at T10, so haven't really tried out my new-ish T10 toys (bourgogne, Ohio).

 

Indeed, thinking about it a little more, Ohio is basically a "can do anything battleship", that doesn't exactly excel in any one area, but is strong in all, and has essentially no weaknesses (tanky, good guns with overmatch, reasonably accurate, can get long range if you forgo secondaries or good secondaries if 21,5 km is enough for you, good heals). It's basically a BB main's BB. 

[KillStealBoss]

Ohio mainly relies on its guns, the secondaries are an additional tool. While the Schlieffen relies more on its secondaries than Ohio and it's guns are ok at best. 

[WildWind84]

43 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Thanks for the answer. So I should almost ask "Why play Ohio over Schleiffen" then?

 

I just dont want to get a new port queen, with all that time I collected RB points.

Have Schlieffen, also have Ohio. Why play? It is like Massa and Zieten in t8. Ohio is just stronger, better (armor).

EDIT: Ranked in tx - I just can't imagine without Ohio. 

EDIT2: Haven't clue how is Ohio against new Duncan line (because of torps).

[________________Morrison]

I know thunder is not as tanky as a montana esk ship

 

But my boy when played properly can withstand quite the whoopin.

Also Thunderer has a 60s heal cooldown?

So not as fast but not very indifferent from Ohio on that.

 

Ohio on the other hand gives me stereotype Americanism when ever I play it.

Unlike Georgia it feels slow. Aiming with it even though they are to my knowledge litterly the same guns as Georgia. I find impossible.

I like montana. It's tanky, Ohio not so much to my feeling.

 

It's a great option for those that Missed out on Thunderer. but if you ask me which of the 2. Thunderer 100%. 

It feels more consistent in hits than Ohio.

Mine has been personalized for my AP addiction.

For the christmas cringle events i used it to farm fires damage only firing HE with fire build. 3 fires at most over 10 minutes. consistently.

It knows I hate he spam.

 

TLDR.

 

Ohio good, great brawler, not my hamburger of choice. 

Thunderer good, decent brawler, great long distance harrasser.

 

 

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

 

Colbert > Slava > Druid > Vampire 2 > Sevastopol > Ohio > Gibraltar > Emilio > Siegfried, or something like that.

 

2 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Thanks for the answer. So I should almost ask "Why play Ohio over Schleiffen" then?

 

The Ohio is more well-rounded, but that would only be a good argument for her if you had few Tier 10s and wanted one that's good enough in most modes. Basically:

• in Randoms she struggles sniping (slow shells, average alpha, average DPM and the overmatch only helps against a few targets)
• in Ranked she struggles against dedicated secondary platforms. I got mine around the same time people were trying the Schlieffen, and unless they gave me broadside it was 50-50: even with the superior armor and hp, I got melted by the time I sank them. She's also slow: 28 knots vs 34 on the Schlieffen, so she'll get outflanked and then run down, she can't disengage.

Granted, if you can set up a good fight at mid-range she's a beast (I've had 300k games with her, and even a 412k one on Arms Race), but that's rarer than it used to be, with superships and subs (she has horrible ASW) pushing you around. And the ballistics are just uncomfortable: if you spawn on the C cap of Okinawa you have few good options. Maybe hope it's a cyclone game...

 

Again, she's not a bad ship, but I find myself playing Slava (despite a lower WR) a lot more in Randoms, and I gave up on her (for Vampire, Napoli and Colbert) in Ranked.

[lafeel]

14 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Colbert > Slava > Druid > Vampire 2 > Sevastopol > Ohio > Gibraltar > Emilio > Siegfried, or something like that.

 

How true this order is can vary considerably from person to person though.

[_DemonGuard_]

3 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Im really struggling on what ship to get for free in research bureau. Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

 

The 2 real contenders for me is either Vampire 2 or Ohio. Vampire 2 since im a DD Main and really love trying to get DDs to shine but seems like a very gimmicky (crawling smoke) side grade to Daring. Ohio seems strong and most recommend it but I dont really enjoy playing T10 BBs that much, mostly I play my T9 earners like Missouri, Jean Bart, Georgia and Kearsarge. If I want to play T10 BBs I already have ships like Schleiffen, Thunderer or Conqueror which are really strong. So would I choose to play Ohio over any of them ..... EVER?

 

Slava and the rest of the RB ships are really un-interesting to me.

 

I guess Ohio has fast heals and decent secondary's, but why choose it over Thunderer that can devastate BBs with both its HE and AP?

Keep in mind that Ohio has BB dispersion und not BC dispersion like Georgia or Thunderer. Ohio also has the terrible T5 ASW range like Thunderer, while Georgia has the regular T9 one.

[KillStealBoss]

31 minutes ago, Cummingwood said:

 

I like montana. It's tanky, Ohio not so much to my feeling

It's literally same hull. 

[lup3s]

3 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Im really struggling on what ship to get for free in research bureau. Its my first time getting RB points enough for a ship and I cant make up my mind.

 

The 2 real contenders for me is either Vampire 2 or Ohio. Vampire 2 since im a DD Main and really love trying to get DDs to shine but seems like a very gimmicky (crawling smoke) side grade to Daring. Ohio seems strong and most recommend it but I dont really enjoy playing T10 BBs that much, mostly I play my T9 earners like Missouri, Jean Bart, Georgia and Kearsarge. If I want to play T10 BBs I already have ships like Schleiffen, Thunderer or Conqueror which are really strong. So would I choose to play Ohio over any of them ..... EVER?

 

Slava and the rest of the RB ships are really un-interesting to me.

 

I guess Ohio has fast heals and decent secondary's, but why choose it over Thunderer that can devastate BBs with both its HE and AP?

 

If you're a DD main go for Vampire II.

 

Though - tbh - my first RB ship was the Yolo Emilio

[________________Morrison]

1 minute ago, KillStealBoss said:

It's literally same hull. 

Yea I know. But for some reason I'm okay with Vermont.

But my mind is just used to Georgia I guess.

Big guns big speed. less barrels.

Unless its vermont. in which case feel free to grab a beer from the kitchen after setting your ship on maxspeed forward.

[arttuperkunas]

8 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

If you're a DD main go for Vampire II.

 

Though - tbh - my first RB ship was the Yolo Emilio

So was mine

 

It’s an execrable POS

[WildWind84]

43 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

she has horrible ASW

THIS IS TRUE... Like Massa.... 

[lup3s]

17 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

So was mine

 

It’s an execrable POS

 

She's a very niche ship but I enjoyed playing her.

Nowadays she is - like many - a glorified Port Queen, sauf for the occasional Coop Battle.

 

I should change my ign to WorldOfPortQueens

[lafeel]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

 

She's a very niche ship but I enjoyed playing her.

Nowadays she is - like many - a glorified Port Queen, sauf for the occasional Coop Battle.

 

I should change my ign to WorldOfPortQueens

She's a one trick pony, but it sure is some trick when it works (note the emphasis there)

[arttuperkunas]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

 

She's a very niche ship but I enjoyed playing her.

Nowadays she is - like many - a glorified Port Queen, sauf for the occasional Coop Battle.

 

I should change my ign to WorldOfPortQueens

Sure, I have no doubt she can be fun. My opinion of her as a bad ship is mainly because of how situational she is. A ship that can kind of perform only in a very limited set of situations - and preferably against opponents who have no hands - is not very good, particularly when it's cucked by such very common tools like hydro and radar. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

4 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Colbert > Slava > Druid > Vampire 2 > Sevastopol > Ohio > Gibraltar > Emilio > Siegfried, or something like that.

Uh...

 

Colbert for fun = Druid for win = Gibraltar for win >> Slava for training your aim = Yolo Emilio for fun

 

Don't have the others. Ohio is a close range Monty and I rather like Monty, so... probably something to get next time I have RB to spend.

Sevastopol I've played a few times, but I still prefer Incomparable, you just shed a bit of the excess length and a lot of the blap, although the zombie heal is fun.

Vampire 2 is highly interesting, I need to play it to deceide if it's cool - but I haven't even gotten Daring yet

 

Tier 9 is now the new tier 8 getting by supershits.

Yolo is still fun, once in a while. For a player like you, with situational awareness and map reading ability, you could make it work really well. Also, your SAP can take chunks out of enemy DDs - unfortunately the reload is very, very bad. The best games I had where I did the least yolo charges, alone the threat of me being at the flank made the BBs run. Almost like a submarine

So, if you're ever interested in playing not the DD but the torpedo, Yolo is a fun experience. I can't really make it work, though, I'm not patient enough.

 

Siegfried... can't even understand why they put it into the RB. Probably so that there is something german, too?

 

 

Colbert? It's plain fun. Ask anyone:

 

 

And now concerning the elephants in the room

 

Well - simple. Gibraltar and Druid work for me. In a game without BBs, Gibraltar is king - you can blap anything broadside, you have an acceleration to squeeze the brain out of your ears and you can still slap angled targets at least as good as you get with your 16mm overmatch and 10mm fuse arming.

Also what you're doing to DDs is fun and engaging in WGs mindset and probably illegal anywhere else.

 

Druid... just go and murder DDs, there is no one more capable in this regard. Then proceed to murder CL or farm BB and CA superstructure.

[Animalul2012]

Why play Ohio or Thunderer when you can just play SATSUMA and clap everyone, anything on the map and have elbing dispersion at your disposal almost whenever you need it. Forget all the other BBs, just get a SATSUMA.  "But satsuma is a supership not a t10"! Do you want to clap or get clapped? 

[tocqueville8]

4 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Colbert for fun = Druid for win = Gibraltar for win

 

So far for me it's Vampire 2 or Sevastopol for winning.

 

Colbert, Slava and Druid are all fun, so I play them more, so I recommend them even though WR-wise they're average of lower for me.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

7 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

So far for me it's Vampire 2 or Sevastopol for winning.

Can you share your opinion concerning Daring vs Vampire 2?

[Itwastuesday]

If you have thunderer, you don't really need other battleships for anything unless you're a bb enthusiast. Anything it lacks it makes up with firepower, stealth and better heal.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

Why play Ohio or Thunderer when you can just play SATSUMA and clap everyone, anything on the map and have elbing dispersion at your disposal almost whenever you need it. Forget all the other BBs, just get a SATSUMA.  "But satsuma is a supership not a t10"! Do you want to clap or get clapped? 

That might be true, but most Satsumas I encountered both on red and green team seems to die very quickly..... might just be the ship being "balanced" by T10 playerbase sklllz.... just like Smolensk when released.

 

 

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

So far for me it's Vampire 2 or Sevastopol for winning.

 

Colbert, Slava and Druid are all fun, so I play them more, so I recommend them even though WR-wise they're average of lower for me.

 

Considered Colbert since I do enjoy cruisers, but short-range lofty shell arc fire spammer? Why not just play my Marceau and enjoy not getting blapped or citadelled?!

 

49 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Can you share your opinion concerning Daring vs Vampire 2?

 

Only have Daring, but seems like a side grade at most. You get longer range hydro and creeping smoke but loose a torp launcher, all the great heals and all the great short burst smokes. Other than that it seems exactly the same ship.

 

Can't stress enough how amazing a heal is for a T10 DD tho. Its hard to play without after playing Daring and Halland. All T10 DDs really should get 3 heals, especially since WG goes out of their way to make the game modes and all new ship and gimmicks just to kill DDs faster.