[STRMO] ReverendFlashback Players 123 posts 4,005 battles Report post #1 Posted December 24, 2022 That line is is so frustrating to play against cvs I can't find words for it without some heavy swearing. You can't do crap if the enemy cv decides it's time for you to die. You just sit behind your island with best (!) AA on tier and they send wave after wave decimating you without even caring. Working as intended I guess... 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,306 battles Report post #2 Posted December 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said: That line is is so frustrating to play against cvs I can't find words for it without some heavy swearing. You can't do crap if the enemy cv decides it's time for you to die. You just sit behind your island with best (!) AA on tier and they send wave after wave decimating you without even caring. Working as intended I guess... well its important that Russian cruisers have great AA, you know they are famous for that. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #3 Posted December 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, ReverendFlashback said: Working as intended I guess... I made an animated explanation on how CVs and AA currently interact - I hope it's enlightening: Also: US light cruisers, any nations light cruisers should be able to provide noteworthy AA and not only fireworks. 2 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,893 battles Report post #4 Posted December 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: I made an animated explanation on how CVs and AA currently interact - I hope it's enlightening: Also: US light cruisers, any nations light cruisers should be able to provide noteworthy AA and not only fireworks. I'm wondering why WG doesn't try out the "improved" Def AA consumable for the USN CLs, as found on the San Diego. Worcester : San Diego : 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] endlessBoogie [_I_] Players 270 posts 12,752 battles Report post #5 Posted December 24, 2022 Vor 26 Minuten, lup3s sagte: I'm wondering why WG doesn't try out the "improved" Def AA consumable for the USN CLs, as found on the San Diego. Worcester : San Diego : because of the average cv-player´s reaction: 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #6 Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ReverendFlashback said: That line is is so frustrating to play against cvs I can't find words for it without some heavy swearing. You can't do crap if the enemy cv decides it's time for you to die. You just sit behind your island with best (!) AA on tier and they send wave after wave decimating you without even caring. Working as intended I guess... It helps to not sit behind rocks as rocks can block AA. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #7 Posted December 24, 2022 48 minutes ago, lup3s said: I'm wondering why WG doesn't try out the "improved" Def AA consumable for the USN CLs, as found on the San Diego. Worcester : San Diego : This one. And Worcester would be doing some work if it gets such def AA. Atlanta and Flint on T7 should also get such def AA. And just like San Diego - Atlanta and Flint should have the hydro and def AA in different slots. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #8 Posted December 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: This one. And Worcester would be doing some work if it gets such def AA. Atlanta and Flint on T7 should also get such def AA. And just like San Diego - Atlanta and Flint should have the hydro and def AA in different slots. Any def AA should get a separate slot and actually do something apart from fireworks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #9 Posted December 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: It helps to not sit behind rocks as rocks can block AA. But Peter.... American cruisers die very quickly if they are not hiding behind rocks. So where are they supposed to be? It is a little odd that ships like Worcester, Cleveland, San Diego, Atlanta, can't repel CV attacks. That's sort of what they *did*, really. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #10 Posted December 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: But Peter.... American cruisers die very quickly if they are not hiding behind rocks. So where are they supposed to be? Depends on the positon. It does not help to complain when one contributes to the problem. 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #11 Posted December 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: It helps to not sit behind rocks as rocks can block AA. But they don't block incoming bombs, rockets or torps? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #12 Posted December 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Depends on the positon. It does not help to complain when one contributes to the problem. So not behind rocks and not in open water behind every ship that would like AA protection. Makes we wonder what their role is... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #13 Posted December 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said: But they don't block incoming bombs, rockets or torps? There are no rocks above the ship. Bombs work fine. 24 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said: So not behind rocks and not in open water behind every ship that would like AA protection. Makes we wonder what their role is... Did not write that. The position should depend on the situation. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TAOWS] Fediuld Beta Tester 326 posts 9,639 battles Report post #14 Posted December 24, 2022 2 hours ago, lup3s said: I'm wondering why WG doesn't try out the "improved" Def AA consumable for the USN CLs, as found on the San Diego. Worcester : San Diego : Because Worcester main guns are dual purpose. If you stop shooting the target they will shoot the airplanes wrecking every carrier. The animation might not show it, but as numbers go they do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TAOWS] Fediuld Beta Tester 326 posts 9,639 battles Report post #15 Posted December 24, 2022 2 hours ago, ReverendFlashback said: That line is is so frustrating to play against cvs I can't find words for it without some heavy swearing. You can't do crap if the enemy cv decides it's time for you to die. You just sit behind your island with best (!) AA on tier and they send wave after wave decimating you without even caring. Working as intended I guess... Let me guess, by "CV" you mean Soviet CV like Nakhimov. Because only Malta will try to take out USN light cruiser near the end of the battle, otherwise will be left without airplanes. Possibly Richthofen with rocket airplanes and lose them all if has a good straight flank to do citadels. Except Nakhimov only "player who do not know how to play", will attack a Seattle or Worcester. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #16 Posted December 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: There are no rocks above the ship. Bombs work fine. Did not write that. The position should depend on the situation. true, but at least in the start of the game, being too forward makes you an easy target for big shells, while being behind rocks negates the "strong AA" while being an easy target for the ship one is supposed to be "strong against". Most ships don't sail in a vacuum vs CV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #17 Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ColonelPete said: There are no rocks above the ship. Bombs work fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #18 Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Fediuld said: Because Worcester main guns are dual purpose. If you stop shooting the target they will shoot the airplanes wrecking every carrier. The animation might not show it, but as numbers go they do so. Afaik you do not have to stop shooting for the dual purpose guns to work on airplanes. You just get a higher AA DPM or more flak bursts if you have them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #19 Posted December 24, 2022 The amount of misinformation in this topic... just why? No matter how strong you make AA a CV player with experience will still torture you. There are multiple ways a CV player can approach strong AA ships without putting many planes at risk and what you ask for is immunity to planes which will simply never happen so stop whining please and git gud. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,899 battles Report post #20 Posted December 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Fediuld said: Because Worcester main guns are dual purpose But so are San D's, hence I'm not sure that's an adequate explanation. From the Wiki :- Quote San Diego — American promo premium Tier VIII cruiser. An Atlanta-class light cruiser that relies on dual-purpose guns as her main battery. During the 1943–44 rearmament, the ship's AA capabilities were improved by equipping her with 40 mm Bofors guns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #21 Posted December 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Fediuld said: Because Worcester main guns are dual purpose. If you stop shooting the target they will shoot the airplanes wrecking every carrier. The animation might not show it, but as numbers go they do so. DP main gun AA works by default regardless of whether you are currently using them against surface targets. Generally long range AA is weaker to as strong as the total AA of a Shimakaze and Worcester is no exception. Please educate yourself about the mechanics of this game before commenting on them. 3 hours ago, Fediuld said: Let me guess, by "CV" you mean Soviet CV like Nakhimov. Because only Malta will try to take out USN light cruiser near the end of the battle, otherwise will be left without airplanes. Possibly Richthofen with rocket airplanes and lose them all if has a good straight flank to do citadels. Except Nakhimov only "player who do not know how to play", will attack a Seattle or Worcester. US CLs are fairly easily taken out by any experienced CV player playing any meta CV. Just because you're incapable of doing so doesn't mean everyone is. Seattle AA especially is awful for its tier. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #22 Posted December 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, AtaIante said: The amount of misinformation in this topic... just why? No matter how strong you make AA a CV player with experience will still torture you. There are multiple ways a CV player can approach strong AA ships without putting many planes at risk and what you ask for is immunity to planes which will simply never happen so stop whining please and git gud. The moment you put out enough dps to obliterate entire squadron before they get to drop payload, that would be probably enough dakka? But then, Hakuryu would probably make a comeback, dropping torps from 6km+ away. Its not going to be very effective I presume, but would be enough to dislodge players off their cozy bunks. 1 minute ago, NewHorizons_1 said: But so are San D's, hence I'm not sure that's an adequate explanation. From the Wiki Whether main guns are dual purpose or not is meaningless in game and which version of DFAA is given, or if at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,535 battles Report post #23 Posted December 24, 2022 Useful AA you say? I was there.... 3000 years ago. 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] triumphgt6 Players 1,870 posts 22,637 battles Report post #24 Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said: Useful AA you say? I was there.... 3000 years ago. It was good, wasn't it! Remember offering to act as AA support to BBs when in an Atlanta which had an AA bubble right out to over 7km. The first inkling of trouble was the first iteration of Graf Zeppelin - I remember engaging defensive AA and nothiong happened and the planes blapped me good and proper. Down hill ever since! Just looked up the Atlanta max planes for me - 73 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #25 Posted December 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Panocek said: The moment you put out enough dps to obliterate entire squadron before they get to drop payload, that would be probably enough dakka? NOT NUFF DAKKA! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
