How to play CV. Easy way not to be useless.

[UltraShirou]

 Im playing this game for years now and im still surprised no one understands how to play damn CV.

 

 What NOT to do.

 1. Dont try to kill any battleship before anything else.

 2. Dont try to kill enemy CV(s).

 3. Dont try to attack pack of enemies.

 

 What to do.

1. Start the game with fighters (okay, fighters w rockets). Get them to the nearest enemy corner of the map. Fly to another one, trying to reveal all enemy ships (where they go). Try not to waste your planes on enemy AA cruisers. Spawns are symmetrical. Even complete newbie can guess where he will hit an enemy AA. You're not complete newbie, right?

2. Control damn airspace. Cover your team w fighters. Always.

3. First and for all. Spot and kill enemy DDs w your torps. (Its easy, just practice a little). Cover your DDs. BBs are blind and almost useless. Dont expect them to be skilled. DD is your bro. Little brave sex-machine. BB isnt your bro. Just a bunch of floating guns. They dont know how to use them.

4. More light! Recon 100% w everything you have. Fighters over submarine are good. Your planes staying near enemy DD or Sub - very good. Forget about killing BBs, not your business (except this is death or glory situation for your bro). Make sure your team can see everything.

5. Try to stay close to the front. If you're not sure, fine then, stay where you are.

 

Doing so you will be a good part of a team. Not an useless supernumerary. Sadly i cant use precious russian language here to make you understand those rules absolutely clear and boost your motivation to the skies btw. But i hope you have a brain, big smart brain. Dont you?

 

Thank you for your time and good luck.

[Nibenay78]

[black_falcon120]

This is bad advice, your sole job is to deal damage, defending your team, and to a lesser extent, spotting is sub optimal play.

[UltraShirou]

2 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

This is bad advice, your sole job is to deal damage, defending your team, and to a lesser extent, spotting is sub optimal play.

In the same time you're trying to damage some thick BB half of your team will go to the Poseidon. Because they can not see enemy and play russian roulette with blind spots. First team without DDs - dead team.

[WarburtonLee]

Yep, i think one could reach 50% winrate in CVs, doing 0 dmg, just by knowing what to spot all game. And thats the really broken thing about CVs. Its like in WOT, if Prokhorovka was the only map in the game

[UltraShirou]

31 minutes ago, WarburtonLee said:

Yep, i think one could reach 50% winrate in CVs, doing 0 dmg, just by knowing what to spot all game. And thats the really broken thing about CVs. Its like in WOT, if Prokhorovka was the only map in the game

Spoiler

And we won this

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Your advice is mostly wrong and highly situational. Also given your performance in CVs you are in no position to teach anyone to be honest. 

[UltraShirou]

10 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

Your advice is mostly wrong and highly situational. Also given your performance in CVs you are in no position to teach anyone to be honest. 

Fight my stats, yes 

[22cm]

WHAT TO DO:

 

ONLY PLAY COOP OR OPERATIONS

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

12 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

DD is your bro. Little brave sex-machine.

And then you find out most dd players are

 

or

 

Relying on anyone is soo 1970's..

[GulvkluderGuld]

This is good advice for the first 3-4 mins of the game.

After that...lets say that, where players choose to sail for the first 30s of the game tells you alot about who to ignore and who to support

 

 

[Sunleader]

8 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

 Im playing this game for years now and im still surprised no one understands how to play damn CV.

 

 What NOT to do.

 1. Dont try to kill any battleship before anything else.

 2. Dont try to kill enemy CV(s).

 3. Dont try to attack pack of enemies.

 

 What to do.

1. Start the game with fighters (okay, fighters w rockets). Get them to the nearest enemy corner of the map. Fly to another one, trying to reveal all enemy ships (where they go). Try not to waste your planes on enemy AA cruisers. Spawns are symmetrical. Even complete newbie can guess where he will hit an enemy AA. You're not complete newbie, right?

2. Control damn airspace. Cover your team w fighters. Always.

3. First and for all. Spot and kill enemy DDs w your torps. (Its easy, just practice a little). Cover your DDs. BBs are blind and almost useless. Dont expect them to be skilled. DD is your bro. Little brave sex-machine. BB isnt your bro. Just a bunch of floating guns. They dont know how to use them.

4. More light! Recon 100% w everything you have. Fighters over submarine are good. Your planes staying near enemy DD or Sub - very good. Forget about killing BBs, not your business (except this is death or glory situation for your bro). Make sure your team can see everything.

5. Try to stay close to the front. If you're not sure, fine then, stay where you are.

 

Doing so you will be a good part of a team. Not an useless supernumerary. Sadly i cant use precious russian language here to make you understand those rules absolutely clear and boost your motivation to the skies btw. But i hope you have a brain, big smart brain. Dont you?

 

Thank you for your time and good luck.

 

Considering that Everyone else Already Told You. This is likely somewhat Wasting my Breath in your Case.

But Since others May Read it as well and thus Realize that Literally Everyone with some Idea of CV Gameplay Disagrees with You. That is Fine I guess.

 

 

Let me Address all the things You said and Explain to You why You are Wrong by Advicing them.

 

A.

The Stuff You say Should not be Done.

 

"" 1. Dont try to kill any battleship before anything else.""

This is Situational. You Should Kill Whatever Enemy is Currently Threatening the Position of Your Team and therefore Grants the Enemy an Advantage on the Map. If this Happens to be a Battleship thats what You need to Target.

Albeit it usually wont be. DDs and Certain Cruisers tend to be more often the Importand Factor.

But this Should never mean You just Ignore a Class by Default.

 

 ""2. Dont try to kill enemy CV(s).""

That One is Actually Correct. Its Generally a Waste of Time unless You happen upon a very Specific Situation.

 

 ""3. Dont try to attack pack of enemies.""

This one Again is Unfortunately not True. What You should Attack is Dictated by the Situation on the Map. You need to Read the Situation and Attack Targets to Change that Situation in your Favor.

To that End. Attacks against Packs of Enemies are Often Necessary.

Ignoring a Pack by Default means that some of the most Dangerous Movements an Enemy Team can Make will go Unchecked and can easily Result in a Quick Loss of the Game.

 

B.

The Stuff You Say Should be Done.

 

""1. Start the game with fighters (okay, fighters w rockets). Get them to the nearest enemy corner of the map. Fly to another one, trying to reveal all enemy ships (where they go). Try not to waste your planes on enemy AA cruisers. Spawns are symmetrical. Even complete newbie can guess where he will hit an enemy AA. You're not complete newbie, right?""

Uff. Its not Entirely Wrong. But You are Explaining it Horribly.

Its Alright to Scout at the Start of the Game. Dont Forget to Drop Fighters somewhat in Front to keep the Enemy Open for Your Team.

But dont Fly from Map Edge to Map Edge. The Scouting Run Should be as Quick and Efficient as Possible and Should therefore be done by Flying in front of the Enemy. Dont be too Scared of AA Either. Its a Scouting Run. You can Afford some Losses. And if You get an Opportunity to take a Good Shot You should use it.

 

""2. Control damn airspace. Cover your team w fighters. Always.""

No. This is just Wrong Unfortunately. Its something no Decent CV Player actually does unless in very Specific Circumstances.

Fighters are Generally a Loss if used for Defense. You need Time to get in the Way of the Enemy CV that is using his Bombers. And Your Fighters only last a Minute to then do some Damage to an Incoming Enemy Squadron that wont even Prevent the Drop.

Meaning You are Wasting Your Time doing absolutely nothing of Value.

And Pls dont Drop Fighters on Your DDs. The Enemy CV will Notice that if he has any Skill and will use it to Kill Your DD instead... Best Cover a DD has against CVs is for his Position to Remain Unknown. So dont Reveal his Position.

Dropping Fighters in Defence should only be done if You are on Route to a Target and Notice the Enemy is Targeting someone You can Defend with No or just Minimal Detour. Only then Should You Drop a Fighter and thus Delay the Strike of the Enemy without Delaying Your own.

Otherwise. Fighters should best be used to Scout.

 

""3. First and for all. Spot and kill enemy DDs w your torps. (Its easy, just practice a little). Cover your DDs. BBs are blind and almost useless. Dont expect them to be skilled. DD is your bro. Little brave sex-machine. BB isnt your bro. Just a bunch of floating guns. They dont know how to use them.""

Uhm. Not sure why Torps.. But at least its Correct that You should Spot and Kill DDs whenever they Dare Venture Out towards your Team. Killing DDs is Valuable for your Team. And Spotting a DD that is Threatening your Team is very Importand.

Also. Playerskill doesnt depend on Class. A Good BB Player is more useful than a Bad DD Player. Dont assume Players are Useless based on the Ship they Play.

 

""4. More light! Recon 100% w everything you have. Fighters over submarine are good. Your planes staying near enemy DD or Sub - very good. Forget about killing BBs, not your business (except this is death or glory situation for your bro). Make sure your team can see everything.""

No. Your Focus needs to be to Take out Threatening Enemies and Disrupt Enemy Positioning. Recon is a Secondary Objective and Should be done on the Side.

Dropping Fighters for Recon is a Good Idea. And Recon can become Primary Objective if for example the Threat to Your Team is a DD. Because then this DD needs to be Opened up so his Threat to Your Team Dissipates.

But Recon is Not your First Priority. First Priority is always to Prevent the Enemy from Threatening Your Team and Gaining an Advantage on the Map.

 

""5. Try to stay close to the front. If you're not sure, fine then, stay where you are.""

This Depends Highly on the CV in Question. The Importand Part is You Stay Safe. Because if You get yourself into a Bad Position and get Discovered it might be Over and Your Loss is a Big Blow to the Team.

So how far on the Front You Should be depends on How well the Map is Covered with Shooting Blocks and how well You are Concealed.

If Moving Forward means Moving into a Position where most of the Enemy Team can Take Potshots at You when Your Spotted. You should not Move Forward and Stay Back.

 

 

6 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

Fight my stats, yes 

 

Given his History he would likely Agree to Fight You Directly and Wipe the Floor with Ya in CVs.

And he is Correct. Your Advice is Unfortunately not very Good. And You maybe Should not yet try to Give Advice like this.

You Clearly dont yet Understand enough about CVs to give Advice. I dont even need to Look at Your Stats to know that.

Given Your Advice. I can Guess You are not a Complete Potato in CVs. You already know a few things. But You are also not a Good Player in CVs and Clearly have alot left to Learn.

 

 

 

 

 

Now for some Actual Advice to You.

Abandon the Idea of there being Universal Rules and Easy Objectives.

CVs Remain the Most Influental Class in the Game. And their Biggest Influence comes from their Ability to Influence the Battle.

But at the same Time. CVs also Remain one of the Hardest Classes to Play Properly. Because to Influence a Battle You need to Understand whats actually happening.

This means You need to have a very Good Knowledge of the Game and its Mechanics. You need to be Able to Read the Situation of the Match and Understand what is Causing that Situation and how to Change that Situation.

Thats why for CVs. The Best Advice is Usually to Learn about the Game and Gain Situational Awareness so You can Use the Influence that the CV Gives You.

 

The Difference between a CV Player that is not Completely Potato and thus will at least not be a Complete Drag on his Team. And an Actually Good CV Player that will Win and Carry Games for his Team.

Is the Ability to take Action that on Purpose will Disrupt the Enemy Team and thus Negate an Enemy Advantage or Create an Advantage for Your Team.

 

 

 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Thinking about it, this "guide" is one step up from rolling your face on the keyboard. So yes, I believe it can improve gameplay of some players:

 

[HMS_Edinburgh_C16]

11 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

 Im playing this game for years now and im still surprised no one understands how to play damn CV.

 

 What NOT to do.

 1. Dont try to kill any battleship before anything else.

 2. Dont try to kill enemy CV(s).

 3. Dont try to attack pack of enemies.

 

 What to do.

1. Start the game with fighters (okay, fighters w rockets). Get them to the nearest enemy corner of the map. Fly to another one, trying to reveal all enemy ships (where they go). Try not to waste your planes on enemy AA cruisers. Spawns are symmetrical. Even complete newbie can guess where he will hit an enemy AA. You're not complete newbie, right?

2. Control damn airspace. Cover your team w fighters. Always.

3. First and for all. Spot and kill enemy DDs w your torps. (Its easy, just practice a little). Cover your DDs. BBs are blind and almost useless. Dont expect them to be skilled. DD is your bro. Little brave sex-machine. BB isnt your bro. Just a bunch of floating guns. They dont know how to use them.

4. More light! Recon 100% w everything you have. Fighters over submarine are good. Your planes staying near enemy DD or Sub - very good. Forget about killing BBs, not your business (except this is death or glory situation for your bro). Make sure your team can see everything.

5. Try to stay close to the front. If you're not sure, fine then, stay where you are.

 

Doing so you will be a good part of a team. Not an useless supernumerary. Sadly i cant use precious russian language here to make you understand those rules absolutely clear and boost your motivation to the skies btw. But i hope you have a brain, big smart brain. Dont you?

 

Thank you for your time and good luck.

 

[CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist]

11 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

 

 2. Dont try to kill enemy CV(s).

 

looks like it is panful for you ...

 

actually this is my only reason why i play cv ... no favor better than spotting and eliminating reds cv...

[Head_has_Exploded]

8 hours ago, 22cm said:

WHAT TO DO:

 

ONLY PLAY COOP OR OPERATIONS

It's what we do now only not with CV's, so relaxing

[El2aZeR]

19 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

Doing so you will be a good part of a team.

 

And other jokes you can tell yourself.

[UltraShirou]

12 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Given his History he would likely Agree to Fight You Directly and Wipe the Floor with Ya in CVs.

It matters little for me. Im just doing my job as CV. And my team wins the fight. Simple is that. Maybe Gods of Random will set us face to face one day, who knows.

[Ronchabale]

Well..

hmm..

Luckily I don´t play CV:s

 

[Nibenay78]

I started playing artillery in WoT because you could return fire on the tracers of enemy arty. 

They sped up the tracers so they became really hard to see

 

I started playing CV because you could go for other Cv..

oh wait...

[Sunleader]

7 hours ago, UltraShirou said:

It matters little for me. Im just doing my job as CV. And my team wins the fight. Simple is that. Maybe Gods of Random will set us face to face one day, who knows.

 

Well. Thing is. He Wipes the Floor with You on that Front as well.

Because I take Bets that a Team with Him as CV will Win Far more Often than a Team with You as CV :)

 

Which is not Surprising. Because your Advice Shows that You dont really know how to do a CVs Job.

 

 

But as I already Said.

I am well aware that You are too Stubborn to Listen to any Sound Reasoning. That was Obvious from the Fact that Several very Good CV Players already told You that You are Wrong while You just Refused to even Entertain the Notion.

Hence why this Post is mostly so others can See why You are Wrong and thus dont get Corrupted by Your Bad Advice.

[arttuperkunas]

Alternative thread title:how to get 33000 average damage as a cv main

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

7 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Alternative thread title:how to get 33000 average damage as a cv main

I even posted an example that would improve his damage by a factor of 16 in Haku alone. So really, no matter how bad the advice is, it's still not the worst.

[arttuperkunas]

2 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I even posted an example that would improve his damage by a factor of 16 in Haku alone. So really, no matter how bad the advice is, it's still not the worst.

2k average in haku. Wow…

[MadBadDave]

Emmm interesting,   How to Cv ?.   Pity I don’t agree with it.

 

I’ve got a lot of cvs but only play the same 3 regularly; Shokaku, Van perserval and Audacious.   The first 2 I play agressively charging into the cap, aud sits a bit further back.   
 

The first thing I do in a cv is spot the entire red fleet, then I throw up fighters to keep red Cv and DDs lit,  then I start hunting, as the game develops so do my tactics if my team are pushing on a flank I’ll add air power and extra clout as well as air cover if not I’ll carry on spotting and taking out stragglers.

 

My advice ; spot, provide air cover, use island cover don’t charge into a lot of ships attack only one but try to make one attack run a series of attacks on following ships.  Don’t sit on the edge of the map and do get as close to the action as you can.