[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #51 Posted December 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, Verblonde said: Not strictly true: the 'special' ships have half the service cost of a regular tech tree ship: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:The_Economics_of_Battle#Service_Cost_Discounts In other economic respects, I believe they're the same. Hmm I didn't know this thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-N-W] LukkaiCH [S-N-W] Players 547 posts 13,817 battles Report post #52 Posted December 23, 2022 Vor 3 Minuten, KillStealBoss sagte: Hmm I didn't know this thing. It does make the net gain a lot better than on a tech tree X. Not on tier IX premium levels, mind you. But the tier X special/premium/whatchacallit are not too far behind on net gain. Somewhere around where tier VIII premiums are, according to a list I've seen. The higher perma bonus somewhat leveling out the higher maintenance and lack of extra profit factor. Tier IX still make for the most efficient credit grinders though. No arguing about that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #53 Posted December 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Hmm I didn't know this thing. It's not something that gets a huge noise made about it; I suspect because it's easier to write advertising copy talking about silver earning bonuses etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #54 Posted December 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Verblonde said: It's not something that gets a huge noise made about it; I suspect because it's easier to write advertising copy talking about silver earning bonuses etc. Yeah with that in mind yes - its close to T8. In the past before that change (which I missed out for some reason) T10 special ships earned a bit more than T7 premiums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] HMS_Kilinowski [THESO] Players 2,665 posts 25,512 battles Report post #55 Posted December 23, 2022 I have 97 premium ships, 24 T10 special ships and 247 silver and early-access ship. So 368 ships in total. I started playing seriously in 2018. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #56 Posted December 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: that change (which I missed out for some reason) People who were paying more attention may correct me, but I believe the reduced service cost thing was there from the start, at least for the specials; it's just that all the 'buy this shiny thing' blurb has always focused on the top line of the metaphorical P&L for ships. Not sure what the state of play was back when the silver cost was in relation to how much damage you took (or whatever the mechanic was)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AGRES] citaDELer Players 253 posts 20,043 battles Report post #57 Posted December 23, 2022 many but i staretd to sell them, when same tier and nation from VII tier i recommend never sell premium ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #58 Posted December 23, 2022 5 hours ago, 22cm said: For example when Thunderer and GK became premium ships they lost the dual gun option, that was researchable. What? Thunderer was never set up with two gun options. It was created from the second gun option on the Conqueror, which no one used. GK still has two gun setups like before. Just checked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #59 Posted December 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, citaDELer said: many but i staretd to sell them, when same tier and nation from VII tier i recommend never sell premium ship You never sell any premium. Ever. Even T5s, cause you can get them again in SC or Santa Crate. More mid tiers you have the better chance to get higher tiers in Santa crates. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #60 Posted December 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: You never sell any premium. Ever. Even T5s, cause you can get them again in SC or Santa Crate. More mid tiers you have the better chance to get higher tiers in Santa crates. This. Selling any premium is foolishness of the highest order... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCWVE] pzkpfwv1d Players 1,122 posts 20,370 battles Report post #61 Posted December 23, 2022 I have never ever sold a single premium ship, that is shy I still have some of the earliest premium ships that you earnt in events suck as the Kamikaze, 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,662 battles Report post #62 Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Aragathor said: What? Thunderer was never set up with two gun options. It was created from the second gun option on the Conqueror, which no one used. GK still has two gun setups like before. Just checked. Thunderor is 1/2 of old Conqueror. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCWVE] pzkpfwv1d Players 1,122 posts 20,370 battles Report post #63 Posted December 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said: I have way, way fewer then you do, and I joined at around the same time as you did. I have only 102 real premiums plus 3 abominations which claim to be "Premium" which dropped from Satan Crates. You joined in September and I joined in August of the same year 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #64 Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, pzkpfwv1d said: I have never ever sold a single premium ship, that is shy I still have some of the earliest premium ships that you earnt in events suck as the Kamikaze, Why would anyone sell the Kamikaze? It's a very powerful ship on T5. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCWVE] pzkpfwv1d Players 1,122 posts 20,370 battles Report post #65 Posted December 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: Why would anyone sell the Kamikaze? It's a very powerful ship on T5. Also have the Kamikazi R and Fujin, and also the Emden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Head_has_Exploded Players 192 posts Report post #66 Posted December 23, 2022 Far too many Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DC_DK] hgbn_dk Players 3,370 posts 44,366 battles Report post #67 Posted December 23, 2022 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CZWSM] Max_Kammerer Players 483 posts 26,013 battles Report post #68 Posted December 23, 2022 504 in port (hmmm... 303 tree ships and premiums/special = 182/238 + Rare: 13 + Additional: 7, so lot is still missing :), but for me B-ships are not interesting...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ALONE] W0Z Players 146 posts 35,262 battles Report post #69 Posted December 24, 2022 106 (Premium + Special) out of 256. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P0RT] Admiral_H_Nelson Players 3,938 posts 23,206 battles Report post #70 Posted December 24, 2022 20 hours ago, Milfious said: Marblehead? Kirov? Krysnykrym? I have those three ships, but I regard them as OK. I am referring to Toulon, FR25 and Leone (which also "benefits" from having no ASW). These turds are associated with lines of regular ships which I find particularly unpleasant to play in my peasant world of PvE. I have played them a total of about 20 games as penance for my sins. The Regia Marina destroyers are OK for spotting missions, nut that is about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCWVE] pzkpfwv1d Players 1,122 posts 20,370 battles Report post #71 Posted December 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said: I have those three ships, but I regard them as OK. I am referring to Toulon, FR25 and Leone (which also "benefits" from having no ASW). These turds are associated with lines of regular ships which I find particularly unpleasant to play in my peasant world of PvE. I have played them a total of about 20 games as penance for my sins. The Regia Marina destroyers are OK for spotting missions, nut that is about it. I have the Toulon but have not played her yet but do not have the Leone or FR25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] VedranSeaWolf359 Players 714 posts 11,265 battles Report post #72 Posted December 24, 2022 I have 60 premium ships from 187 and 22 Tier X I bought maybe 10-12 ships in 6 years. My Tactic is Buy only Tier X for coal an steel + two mistake Pommeren and French Admiral Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #73 Posted December 24, 2022 None with enough AA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P0RT] Admiral_H_Nelson Players 3,938 posts 23,206 battles Report post #74 Posted December 24, 2022 7 hours ago, pzkpfwv1d said: I have the Toulon but have not played her yet but do not have the Leone or FR25 You appear to be a collector, but my advice would be "Don't bother". Toulon - worse version of the Cherbourg/Brest/Marseilles line. I love French ship usually, but this line tries my patience. Very unsuited to PvE in my opinion. Leone - Vile. I hate it with every fibre of my being. Pathetic torps which are slow and few in number. The ballistics from the guns make you feel that if the shells went any higher then they would enter Earth orbit! Fragile beyon belief, even for a DD. No ASW to deal with the submarine infestation. FR25 - a gimped French Guepard with the torpedoes swapped for the god awful Italian ones. Fast, and useful for spotting missions, plus it has real smoke. Best of a bad bunch. I have never sold a Premium ship, but this crud tempts me strongly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCWVE] pzkpfwv1d Players 1,122 posts 20,370 battles Report post #75 Posted December 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said: You appear to be a collector, but my advice would be "Don't bother". Toulon - worse version of the Cherbourg/Brest/Marseilles line. I love French ship usually, but this line tries my patience. Very unsuited to PvE in my opinion. Leone - Vile. I hate it with every fibre of my being. Pathetic torps which are slow and few in number. The ballistics from the guns make you feel that if the shells went any higher then they would enter Earth orbit! Fragile beyon belief, even for a DD. No ASW to deal with the submarine infestation. FR25 - a gimped French Guepard with the torpedoes swapped for the god awful Italian ones. Fast, and useful for spotting missions, plus it has real smoke. Best of a bad bunch. I have never sold a Premium ship, but this crud tempts me strongly. Toulon dropped in a Mega Santa Crate, know what you men with Ity DD's torps are slow, guns are god awful and you can be spotted before you can get in gun range, nearly completed that line, will not be playing them as part of regular fleet, maybe as an odd aside but not regular Just got through the T9 ity DD today, very underwhelming, just need T10 for Ity DD's, French Super Cruisers, Dutch Cruisers and Pan Asian cruisers, then develope the stuff that I will not be playing, DD's and Russian CV's and then anything else, although the Japanese Light Cruisers will probably be into full development soon so T8, T9 and T10 for those to be added before subs and Russian CV's Count of ships now at 487, will also get the dockyard cruiser this time as nearly there already Just waiting for the Turkish Navy, hopefully Sultan Osman II will be included as a premium (will then have all three versions of the same ship, initial purchasor, after sale put=rchasor and end user) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites