French light cruiser line proposal.

[537ycfbfrj]

ok. the French need one more cruiser line. To complete the holy trinity of cruisers type.

The battlecruiser or supercruiser OR LARGECRUISER and light & heavy cruiser.

I don’t have any knowledge on those French light cruiser.
plz give me those ship info. it would fill tier 7-10. and submit Mechanics, and how them play like

 

[lup3s]

a line of Colberts ? let's gooooooooo 

[________________Morrison]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

a line of Colberts ? let's gooooooooo 

you only get 12 guns at t10 

 

if you get 16 im going to file a complaint for the hours spend regrinding for colbert.

[537ycfbfrj]

I ask for the ship to fill this line

[JoeSparkx]

Certainly a good idea, probably something like a logical continuation of the La Galissoniere, Bayard and De Grasse class light cruisers, the problem is they play much like the heavy cruisers, long range HE slingers. So comes down to, what is their niche? 

[Marblehead_1]

I'm guessing few more changes in FR CA tree.

 

TVI. La Galissoniere gets replaced by Suffren and La Galissoniere is moved to CL split. BTW. Cruiser Jeanne d'Arc IMO fits maximum at TIV so I leave this ship,

TVII. Châteaurenault or Guichen - never started sisterships of De Grasse in late war variant ( 3*III 152mm )

TVIII-X Hulls of Charles Martel, Saint Louis and Henri IV with 4 turrets 152-165mm with III and IV barrels setup. Logic? Needs? Ofc not but IJN CL's are case...

[invicta2012]

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1 hour ago, Adamcriz said:

Certainly a good idea, probably something like a logical continuation of the La Galissoniere, Bayard and De Grasse class light cruisers, the problem is they play much like the heavy cruisers, long range HE slingers. So comes down to, what is their niche? 

I think (based on the ships the French actually built or intended to build, that you could just split the cruiser lines into Light and Heavy, as follows:

 

V

CL - Emile Bertin

CA - Duquesne (scaled up CA version of Duguay-Trouan with 4 x 2 slow firing 203mm guns and almost no armour)

 

VI

CL - La Gal

CA - Foch (improved CA type with box armour on magazines and citadel, similar to RN County class)

 

VII - 

CL - Chateaurenault (preliminary design for De Grasse based on La Gal which features at least one quadruple 152mm 1930 turret, triple torpedo tubes and improved AA)

 

 

CA - Algerie

 

VIII

CL - Desaix (Gascogne in light cruiser form. Bayard displacement,  2 x 4 quad 152mm 1936 turrets, 3 x 2 130mm turrets, 2 x 4 torpedo tubes. Desaix is relatively small and lightly armoured (but with a small citadel), and has the usual French cruiser utilities - speed boost, MBRB, good range, speed and mobility)

CA - Charles Martel

 

IX - 

CL - Guichen (Italian Capitani Romani class cruiser/super DD ceded as war reparations. Was *actually* rebuilt in the 1950s with 3 x 2 4 inch guns, but this fictional rebuild has 4 x 2 139mm turrets as found on Mogador and 2 x 4 torpedoes). The ship makes up for its low HP (relative to a cruiser) with low detection, high speed, and an armour scheme which tends to make high calibre shells over penetrate rather than arm effectively.  It adds a Heal, as per most Tier IX cruisers. 

CA - St Louis

 

X 

CL - Marsellaise (De Grasse II analogue, around 9000 tonnes with 4 x 2 127mm turrets as found on Marceau, no torpedo tubes).  Ship has all the functions of Guichen but a much extended gun range and good dispersion, as befits a 1950s era design). 

CA - Henri IV

 

So the CL line is a real-world set of treaty cruisers up until tier VII, reflecting the usual concerns and providing a familiar gameplay.

Tier VIII is something of a extrapolation but very much based around French thinking of the time, and has the ability to be spec'd into a "secondary" cruiser, similar to Hipper. 

Tier IX and X are small cruiser/super DDs and would be balanced around their concealment and speed. They may need smoke generation ability of a limited kind in order to be viable.

 

(An alternative for Tier VII/VIII, btw, is to use a La Gal type hull and use combinations of the twin and quadruple DP 130mm 1932 turrets developed for Dunkerque and Strasbourg as the main armament. By going down this route, the 139mm guns used on Guichen would actually be a fairly decent upgrade, especially if they were given the 1/5 HE pen common to Tier VIII + cruisers (1/5 of 130 = 26mm, 1/5 of 139 = 28mm, which would be upgraded to 32mm+ /  35mm with IFHE). 

 

[537ycfbfrj]

Thanks for the ship. I asking for. and it’s is my first post and my first line proposal

[KillStealBoss]

20 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

Marsellaise (De Grasse II analogue, around 9000 tonnes with 4 x 2 127mm turrets

Hmm 127mm guns? This is CLL gun caliber like Colbert. 152mm should be used in the entire line. And I think the T10 would end up being "theoretical" . 

[invicta2012]

2 hours ago, KillStealBoss said:

Hmm 127mm guns? This is CLL gun caliber like Colbert. 152mm should be used in the entire line. And I think the T10 would end up being "theoretical" . 

It's how De Grasse ended up. 

 

https://www.seaforces.org/marint/French-Navy/Cruiser/C-610-FS-De-Grasse.htm

 

She's a very powerful AA cruiser,  all told. The gun calibre is a challenge, especially against well-armoured ships, but that's fair and balanced to keep down the HE spam. SAP shells are also a possibility (the MN was very keen on these).

 

I know what you mean about 152mm guns but the French simply didn't make much of an effort to build more after the war... they wanted DP main armament for new ships, they had the surviving La Gal cruisers for surface actions, there was no need to design a new DP or autoloading 6 inch gun. So there's nothing like the guns on Neptune, Minotaur, Seattle or Worcester to jazz things up, it would be the same 152mm guns from Tier VI to X.