Inconsistent progression along certain BBs.

[Animalul2012]

Hawke, Duncan-citadel is thin and sits above the water line making the ships very vulnerable broadside even against the likes of moskva/henri, bow in armor is weak, certain BBs with good penetration will citadel you trough the nose. St Vincet? Next to impossible to citadel from the nose, sits very low in the water, citadel is far far lower in the water, htting it, is pure RNG and wont happen 99% of the time.

Sinop- The citadel is 100mm but it is protected by an additional 300mm plate= 400 mm of penetration required+ impossible to citadel for ships whose shells arm faster than the usual( Scharnhorst is a good example). The tier 8, Vladivostok has a 370 mm exposed citadel and a water line one, consisting of 290 mm, again both are exposed. The tier 9 Soyuz has mostly 375 mm belt with 420 under the turrets and a citadel of only 20mm making it mostly vulnerable as it is so thin it can be overmatched even by the likes of LYON. (T7 BB has better protection than t8 and in some cases even than the 9)

Prinz Rupprecht- Has a 30 mm icebreaker or extended armor plate (called it whatever you want ) that covers the lower portion of the bow. Tier 8 Zieten and t10 Schlieffen have the same plate but it is 60 mm which makes it unovermatchable. Where is the consistency? Not only Rupprecht barely gains 1k more HP than Zieten while being 1 tier higher, it also gains, far far worse bow armor. 

There surely are more of these cases but these are the ones that were the easiest to find. 

[invicta2012]

Tier IX ships, mate. They're built to be skipped.

[Northern_Nightowl]

Vor 47 Minuten, invicta2012 sagte:

Tier IX ships, mate. They're built to be skipped.

My USS Iowa would like to have a word with you about this opinion. And as you're generalising a bit, USS Fletcher, Yūgumo, Kitakaze and HMS Jutland too.

Albeit the Friedrich der Große and Izumo indeed shall go back to gunnery school and learn the basics of precision...

 

Regards, Nightowl

[DDG_121]

Also Lion is good IMO.

 

Izumo is a good ship if you play it correctly. Stock.... Not that much tho.

[Wulf_Ace]

BBs tier 9 are not problem to play. Only tier 9 cruisers, which get obliterates in every aspect of the game.

[invicta2012]

19 hours ago, Northern_Nightowl said:

My USS Iowa would like to have a word with you about this opinion. And as you're generalising a bit, USS Fletcher, Yūgumo, Kitakaze and HMS Jutland too.

Albeit the Friedrich der Große and Izumo indeed shall go back to gunnery school and learn the basics of precision...

I completely agree. I would add a few of my own favourites to that list  - Alsace, Chung Mu, Mogador, Drake.

 

But then.... Neptune. Seattle. Lion. Minnesota. Versus Superships. It's what Free XP was made for. 

[Figment]

20 hours ago, Northern_Nightowl said:

My USS Iowa would like to have a word with you about this opinion. And as you're generalising a bit, USS Fletcher, Yūgumo, Kitakaze and HMS Jutland too.

Albeit the Friedrich der Große and Izumo indeed shall go back to gunnery school and learn the basics of precision...

 

Regards, Nightowl

Hey just learn to angle Izumo. :)

 

Your third turret should juuuuust get a shot (both while kiting and holding/moving up), you turn after your enemy fired and when you kite you again angle back with two turrets on target and the third at the ready.

 

Mine does very well around 58.9% WR. And that’s with a lousy grind start and a 13-17pt captain.

 

My Friedrich der Grosse is at 52.8%, with secondary build and a 14pt Saint Nich.
 

They are fine, you just have to play to their strengths.

[arttuperkunas]

20 hours ago, Northern_Nightowl said:

My USS Iowa would like to have a word with you about this opinion. And as you're generalising a bit, USS Fletcher, Yūgumo, Kitakaze and HMS Jutland too.

Albeit the Friedrich der Große and Izumo indeed shall go back to gunnery school and learn the basics of precision...

 

Regards, Nightowl

Izumo is one of the most accurate bbs in the game

[Northern_Nightowl]

Vor 4 Stunden, Figment sagte:

Hey just learn to angle Izumo. :)

 

Your third turret should juuuuust get a shot (both while kiting and holding/moving up), you turn after your enemy fired and when you kite you again angle back with two turrets on target and the third at the ready.

 

Mine does very well around 58.9% WR. And that’s with a lousy grind start and a 13-17pt captain.

 

My Friedrich der Grosse is at 52.8%, with secondary build and a 14pt Saint Nich.
 

They are fine, you just have to play to their strengths.

But what are those strengths? I never saw those on FdG or Izumo, and by the time I'm playing now, I should be able to at least get a glimpse on the theory and the "how to" with a ship, even if I'm failing at the practice.

Vor 4 Stunden, arttuperkunas sagte:

Izumo is one of the most accurate bbs in the game

Please allow me to disagree... This is backed by my statistics. On a lot of those BB in which I'm feeling confident about my ability to contribute meaningfully, I do have a main gun hit rate above the one on Izumo (e.g. Montana and Bourgogne being exceptions).

To be concise about what those BB are, I'll name them in the following spoiler.

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• Ohio
• Montana
• Bourgogne
• (Yamato - maybe)
• Georgia
• Iowa
• Jean Bart
• Richelieu
• Bismarck
• Amagi
• Gneisenau
• Strasbourg
• Hyūga
• Nagato
• Warspite
• Bayern
• Texas

 

I always do put a premium on main gunnery performance, be it precision/dispersion reduction or, as secondary asset, turret rotation when deciding what modules and commander skills will be chosen. This will show for a comparability between the data sets.

 

Izumo (45 games, ~12 points commander):

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Iowa (69 games, commander was/is between ~14 and 17 points):

Spoiler

 

Georgia (91 games, mostly no less than 12 skill points and used as commander trainer):

Spoiler

 

Richelieu (58 games, commander with 8-12 points):

Spoiler

 

Nelson (15 games, mostly no less than 10-12 skill points):

Spoiler

 

Friedrich der Große (16 games, 10-11 skill points):

Spoiler

 

Bismarck (51 games, ~8-14 skill points):

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Bayern (46 games, played mostly below 10 points):

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So, I'd draw the conclusion that the Izumo at best sits in the middle of the pack (maybe a bit towards the top) when we're talking about precision, as several other BB, even non-American ones and hence without the artillery plotter room modules fare better in my hands precision-wise. These hands  tend to mostly use a BB at mid- to long range (~0,5 to ~0,8 times the maximum gun range of the vessel and preferably with a margin of minimum 1,5km to the detection range) and always looking for the most precise gunnery possible - as long as I do not lose my situation awareness, which sadly still happens too often.

 

Regards, Nightowl

 

 

[Figment]

Oh Izumo is great to nose in with, then angle away and kite. The rear aimed secondaries are great for withering down enemies in close pursuit btw (within 9.6km or so iirc). Killed a lot of Pommerns that way in the early 3 way brawls. You put stuff on fire and like Yamato, hit hard on cits. But it must not be played stationary with nose in with two turrets.