The Most Wanted Ship - The Data

[NewHorizons_1]

5 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

Ah ok - I was just shocked a ship I’d never heard of had 5x as many requests as the Belfast

What's funny is that OG T7 Belfast has 10x the number of requests as its T8 reintroduction, Belfast '43.

[Head_has_Exploded]

How come the Massachusetts and Tirpitz only got 2 each, I thought there were once the mighty OP ships back in the day? 

[black_falcon120]

32 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

What's funny is that OG T7 Belfast has 10x the number of requests as its T8 reintroduction, Belfast '43.

I don’t know why anyone would want the t8… 

 

btw I asked Santa for the t7 variant

[black_falcon120]

30 minutes ago, Head_has_Exploded said:

How come the Massachusetts and Tirpitz only got 2 each, I thought there were once the mighty OP ships back in the day? 

My theory is that Tirpitz can be bought for money and the massa can be bought on Black Friday. Also they’re both only t8, so things like Georgia, and others are just better. I’m more shocked people aren’t asking for georgia

[Ymustihaveaname]

1 hour ago, black_falcon120 said:

I’m more shocked people aren’t asking for georgia

Why would you want a T9 premium atm with T11 MM?

[lafeel]

2 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

I love how literally no one asked for a Tiger '59, even though she was a real ship 

She's also really *edited* in the state she is in game, no two ways about it.

[Hirohito]

Great, just saw this topic about the santa cards at work today, but couldn't post because.. at work obviously.
Got home, topic was closed 6 hours ago.
Great stuff.

[hgbn_dk]

They could at least have put the choice for He or AP on Tiger 59. Same for Mysore AP only and no torps. Good luck dealing damage to BB's They just angle and laugh

[GulvkluderGuld]

13 hours ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

You are assuming people are wanting it for randoms?  The issue is if your clan wants to play it in CBs then there is huge pressure to want it in modes that t11 and subs are thankfully not allowed in?

 

(I have 38 random battles in mine, but over 5M ship exp on it for some reason, ;-) wish my clan had more of them...)

You're probably right, but my main point is that Småland isnt OP any longer compared to what else have been added to the game.

I've got a couple million XP myself on it from ranked and CBs and I dont think i played 10 random games on it yet.

Besides, do you really think WG will not allow subs access to CBs eventually? They already included Tier 11 and used to include CVs (thankfully barred presently). Are there any promises they've kept at all, because I cant think of one - especially where money is involved! 

12 hours ago, Hakssor said:

It has better conceal than all of those and better tools. A good Smaland is gonna dictate that engagement and most of the time she's gonna win.

She's straight up OP in competitive modes like ranked/CBs where superships and subs don't exist. A lot of people care more about the performance there than in randoms.

Even in randoms where supposedly she isn't that OP she has 58.2 % WR in the last month, 2.5 % higher than the next T10 ship. https://proships.ru/stat/eu/s/99999-h

Ragnar and Stalingrad have been nerfed while they never reached that kind of WR.

 

Balance department just turns a blind eye when it comes to Smaland. I assume that's intended to sell these santa boxes otherwise it would be pure stupidity.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Småland plays the all-round DD role better than any of those, but in an isolated 1v1 it loses to all 4  by getting buried in superior DPM and/or armor/profile unless they overextend (which french DDs tend to do).  Ragnar with consumables up can do everything småland does except torps, just has a longer cooldown. Since i quit CBs i won't argue about what is OP there, my observation is Ragnar does better as a mobile DPS support due to better arcs. 

As to winrate its a very rare ship to meet in randoms and WG dont usually care if the ship is rare enough (and yes if they can milk whales).

 

12 hours ago, arttuperkunas said:

As others have stated, this is only partially true.

 

While you're right that a well played Marcaeu, Kleber, Ragnar and Druid should be able to take a Smaland, all of those ships are one trick ponies.

 

Småland is almost as good as those ships in killing other DDs, and it can also act as a spotter, has torpedoes (unlike Ragnar/Druid), and can generally do DD things much better than these pure gunboats.

 

If I had one, I would 100% run it in CBs. Indeed, our CB comp usually includes Småland, as do those of pretty much every clan we play against.

See first reply :)

[LiveWire___]

 

Give me Giulio Cesare, and I will do ANYTHING for you. I just need some beers first. 

 

That is all. 

[Ymustihaveaname]

4 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Småland plays the all-round DD role better than any of those, but in an isolated 1v1 it loses to all 4  by getting buried in superior DPM and/or armor/profile unless they overextend (which french DDs tend to do).  Ragnar with consumables up can do everything småland does except torps, just has a longer cooldown. Since i quit CBs i won't argue about what is OP there, my observation is Ragnar does better as a mobile DPS support due to better arcs.  

As to winrate its a very rare ship to meet in randoms and WG dont usually care if the ship is rare enough (and yes if they can milk whales).

But thats the entire point, most people want it for CBs, where it is not going to be 1 v 1 if your team is playing properly, if you meet one of the other dds with worse spotting and no radar you simply dont take the fight until your cruisers have removed most of its HP first?

 

5 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Besides, do you really think WG will not allow subs access to CBs eventually?

Eventually, but they will need to balanced by how many people will drop out of playing that season and might not come back at all, just like why they presumably removed CVs after looking at the effects on number of players from that seasons....

[fumtu]

17 hours ago, RepSrb said:

even with radar mod in second slot (17k coal) + 20% , and captain skill + 10% consumable enhancements  ,  it has 26,4 sec radar MAX....

 

If you sacrifice concealment on 5th upgrade spot and put SCM1, you can get 29sec radar but its concealment goes up to 6.83km max.

[DDG_121]

18 hours ago, RepSrb said:

it has 26,4 sec radar MAX....

Thanks for the correction.

[GulvkluderGuld]

16 hours ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

But thats the entire point, most people want it for CBs, where it is not going to be 1 v 1 if your team is playing properly, if you meet one of the other dds with worse spotting and no radar you simply dont take the fight until your cruisers have removed most of its HP first?

 

Eventually, but they will need to balanced by how many people will drop out of playing that season and might not come back at all, just like why they presumably removed CVs after looking at the effects on number of players from that seasons....

Hope you're right about the subs for the sake of the game (even though I'm bored and done with CBs).

 

As for the other dds, why do you suggest they have worse concealment when half of them don't or can address the difference? Sure Kleber is outspotted but was good enough for other reasons that WG had to limit it by numbers. Marceau has roughly the same concealment and ragnar has radar of its own. That leaves druid with a 500 m margin and its not really played in CBs, nor do i have experience enough with it outside ranked to judge if / how it can fit in.

 

My point is the advantage småland holds over other tier X dds is not insurmountable and thus I dont agree it is OP territory after Ragnar was added and especially not in the game in general due to above mentioned reasons.

We agree it IS a better generalist than the four I mention, but not by a significant margin at least where Ragnar is concerned. Kleber and Marceau dont have radar, so i'll even agree it has more utility than those two if it faces smoked up ships. But it cant Yolo like the french DDs nor do the torpedoes do very much damage individually if you ever find a target for them in CBs (which isnt too likely), and it isnt a very fast dd when speedboost is up so the frech DDs have utility in other areas to make up the difference.

[deathsadow]

On 12/18/2022 at 7:31 PM, black_falcon120 said:

Hi All,

 

I went through the first 15 pages of the santa contest (here) and I pulled the numbers to see what the most popular ship was. The results surprised me.

 

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Smaland    51
Enterprise    21
Musashi    21
Smolensk    21
Missouri    21
Benham    16
Thunderer    14
Belfast    10
Malta    9
Alaska    7
Kronstadt    6
Kamikaze    5
Jean Bart    5
Lenin    4
Giulio Cesare    4
Graf Spee    4
Odin    4
Kaga    4
G Kurfurst    4
Napoli    4
Groningen    3
Fujin    3
Anhalt    2
Iwaki Alpha    2
Georgia    2
Kamikaze R    2
S-189    2
Tone    2
Massachusetts    2
Hornet    2
Tirpitz    2
Moskva    2
Erich Loewenhardt    2
Roma    2
M Immelman    2
salem    1
San Diego    1
G. Verdi    1
Nelson    1
Akagi    1
ARP I-401    1
Tromp    1
Congress    1
Flint    1
Brandenburg    1
Gorizia    1
Napoli    1
Munchen    1
Champagne    1
Haida    1
Azuma    1
Cheshire    1
Somers    1
Atago    1
Dukeof York    1
Maya    1
Georgia    1
Kreml    1
Mikhail Kutuzov    1
Mutsu    1
Verdi    1
Z44    1
Prinz Eugen    1
Marceau    1
Kearsarge    1
T 61    1
stalingrad     1
Hood     1
Belfast '43    1
Yoshino    1
Friesland    1
Bayard     1
Le Terrible    1

 

 

Does anyone know why the Smaland is so popular?

 

 

My only suprise is how low the Cesare is on the list (only 4) ... when its probably the most busted BB tier to tier.

[black_falcon120]

2 hours ago, deathsadow said:

My only suprise is how low the Cesare is on the list (only 4) ... when it’s probably the most busted BB tier to tier.

I have no idea why Malta is so high…

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 1 Stunde, black_falcon120 sagte:

I have no idea why Malta is so high…

It's new. Tier X. And some people call it OP.

[Head_has_Exploded]

On 12/19/2022 at 4:43 PM, black_falcon120 said:

My theory is that Tirpitz can be bought for money and the massa can be bought on Black Friday. Also they’re both only t8, so things like Georgia, and others are just better. I’m more shocked people aren’t asking for georgia

Not saying the Georgia is not a bad ship but I just could not get on with it at all, Tirpitz though, love that ship take it over the Massa anyday, just my humble opinion though

[Ehern]

On 12/21/2022 at 4:29 AM, Head_has_Exploded said:

Not saying the Georgia is not a bad ship but I just could not get on with it at all, Tirpitz though, love that ship take it over the Massa anyday, just my humble opinion though

 

Seems like it had been much better years ago.

 

I struggle to rack up damage with its guns. Its quite odd honestly

[arttuperkunas]

1 hour ago, Ehern said:

 

Seems like it had been much better years ago.

 

I struggle to rack up damage with its guns. Its quote odd honestly

Georgia has always been very inconsistent, at least for me, because of the 6 guns. 

[arttuperkunas]

12 hours ago, deathsadow said:

My only suprise is how low the Cesare is on the list (only 4) ... when its probably the most busted BB tier to tier.

Probably because it's tier 5. Most very experienced players don't play that much T5.

[Ehern]

52 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Georgia has always been very inconsistent, at least for me, because of the 6 guns. 

Sure. The secondaries help just that much

[pzkpfwv1d]

On 12/18/2022 at 6:31 PM, black_falcon120 said:

 

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Smaland    51
Malta    9
Odin    4
Groningen    3
Anhalt    2
Iwaki Alpha    2
S-189    2
Tone    2
Erich Loewenhardt    2
M Immelman    2
San Diego    1
G. Verdi    1
ARP I-401    1
Tromp    1
Brandenburg    1
Somers    1
Georgia    1
Kreml    1
 

 

 

 

 

 

I have removed all the ships I already own and also removed the duplications, so hoping to eventually get those ships sometime over the next millenia

[black_falcon120]

On 12/21/2022 at 3:52 PM, pzkpfwv1d said:

I have removed all the ships I already own and also removed the duplications, so hoping to eventually get those ships sometime over the next millenia

I mean ships are about £15 a ship in Santa crates, it’d cost you £240 to get all those ships, but good luck getting the iwaki alpha…

[Karasu_Browarszky]

On 12/18/2022 at 9:10 PM, Animalul2012 said:

Lmao Nikolay or Arkansas beta/normal would be the most wanted= superb guns, secondaries, access to all upgrades,-1+1 MM. Bonus points to soviet sub s-189. You get smaland and then you get bursted into the next map by a zorky LUL.

 

I dread to think what would make powerful low tier ships so coveted.