[TACHA] VedranSeaWolf359 Players 714 posts 11,265 battles Report post #1 Posted December 17, 2022 I think that will be nice if California got similar boost of her secondaries (like Ohio) but in her tier range to become little more interesting to play with her slow reload and speed (I got it last year in Container) she is my biggest port Queen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #2 Posted December 17, 2022 Yea good luck with that. Can make her secondaries however good you want, but it's not going to help if she's too slow to get them to where they'll fire. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #3 Posted December 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, lafeel said: Yea good luck with that. Can make her secondaries however good you want, but it's not going to help if she's too slow to get them to where they'll fire. She also has less secondaries than Massa or Ohio Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #4 Posted December 17, 2022 Also: No. Secondaries are zero skill gameplay. We already have enough of that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #5 Posted December 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said: She also has less secondaries than Massa or Ohio Yea, she's missing the fifth turret on each side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #6 Posted December 17, 2022 She's handicapped by her IRL design of Standard Battleship and all that entails. Slow speed, all-or-nothing armor coupled with tier 7 doesn't mix well, below average reload and undergunned in caliber department. And for slinging HE at tier 7, Duke of York exists and is bit less painful ship to play. She was meant to be port queen from day one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #7 Posted December 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Panocek said: She's handicapped by her IRL design of Standard Battleship and all that entails. Slow speed, all-or-nothing armor coupled with tier 7 doesn't mix well, below average reload and undergunned in caliber department. And for slinging HE at tier 7, Duke of York exists and is bit less painful ship to play. She was meant to be port queen from day one All that extra beam they gave her to fit the 5/38s, without doing a *edited* thing to improve her machinery, did her no favours either. Small historical note, her beam was so great that to sail from the East Coast (where she was repaired) back to the West Coast she had to go all the way down around Cape Horn as her beam was, and would still be today, too wide for the Panama Canal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #8 Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, lafeel said: All that extra beam they gave her to fit the 5/38s, without doing a *edited* thing to improve her machinery, did her no favours either. Small historical note, her beam was so great that to sail from the East Coast (where she was repaired) back to the West Coast she had to go all the way down around Cape Horn as her beam was, and would still be today, too wide for the Panama Canal. Bonus points (not) for not giving her improved acceleration like tech tree dreadnoughts have. Same story with all other prem standards - Texas, Oklahoma, WV, Arizona 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #9 Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Panocek said: Bonus points (not) for not giving her improved acceleration like tech tree dreadnoughts have. Same story with all other prem standards - Texas, Oklahoma, WV, Arizona It's not like any of them were going to be fast at accelerating either. News flash: short, fat (ie hulls with a low length to beam ratio) do not make for fast ships. Not unless you pack in a *ludicrous* amount of power (see Arleigh Burke) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LICON] SirTogII Players 144 posts Report post #10 Posted December 18, 2022 Sure, anything, whether it’s secondaries, reload, torps, rocket boaters, whatever to make her either interesting or somewhat playable would be nice. A historic ship deserves more than 2 coop battles per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #11 Posted December 18, 2022 7 hours ago, SirTogII said: Sure, anything, whether it’s secondaries, reload, torps, rocket boaters, whatever to make her either interesting or somewhat playable would be nice. A historic ship deserves more than 2 coop battles per year. Uh. I posted a "how to". It's a turd. Not every ship can be good. Just leave it in port. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 3,002 posts 10,002 battles Report post #12 Posted December 18, 2022 If you want to fail horribly in ops she is a good choice (dont forget to check karma before and after) Only thing she excels at is being rubbish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XYZ] Cheeky_chappie Players 192 posts 6,376 battles Report post #13 Posted December 18, 2022 Secondaries with that speed and CHONK? Nah, that would be pretty useless. What makes Massa and Ohio good secondary boats is their ability to sustain themselves with their fast heal and alright armor. Cali will just get HE spammed and bonked into oblivion by full pen AP damage, and if the situation turns against her, she can't even run away. What needs buffing are the main guns either make them brutally accurate(like battlecruiser accurate) or just reduce the reload to the standard 30 seconds, i mean why the hell does California get 34.2 reload for 12x356mm when Lyon gets 30 seconds on 16x340mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #14 Posted December 18, 2022 54 minutes ago, Cheeky_chappie said: Secondaries with that speed and CHONK? Nah, that would be pretty useless. What makes Massa and Ohio good secondary boats is their ability to sustain themselves with their fast heal and alright armor. Cali will just get HE spammed and bonked into oblivion by full pen AP damage, and if the situation turns against her, she can't even run away. What needs buffing are the main guns either make them brutally accurate(like battlecruiser accurate) or just reduce the reload to the standard 30 seconds, i mean why the hell does California get 34.2 reload for 12x356mm when Lyon gets 30 seconds on 16x340mm. Just compare Fuso and New Mexico reloads and both are rather... ancient ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #15 Posted December 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Panocek said: Just compare Fuso and New Mexico reloads and both are rather... ancient ships You don't even have to compare those two, Hyuga exists. Both are 12x 356mm armed ships. Hyuga has a 29s reload and Cali 34,5s. On the same caliber of guns. And Hyuga has a reload booster. What California needs are three changes. Gun reload down to 30s, acceleration changed to that of the slow BBs, torpedo belt improved to historical levels (New Mex has a better belt than Cali, and New Mex has no extra refits for that). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #16 Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Aragathor said: You don't even have to compare those two, Hyuga exists. Both are 12x 356mm armed ships. Hyuga has a 29s reload and Cali 34,5s. On the same caliber of guns. And Hyuga has a reload booster. What California needs are three changes. Gun reload down to 30s, acceleration changed to that of the slow BBs, torpedo belt improved to historical levels (New Mex has a better belt than cali, and New Mex has no extra refits for that). You mean solution for Cali woes was immediately announced after her release, known as Florida? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #17 Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Panocek said: You mean solution for Cali woes was immediately announced after her release, known as Florida? Florida isn't in a better place than Cali. Both ships have issues. Both ships sit almost next to each other in the list of underused T7 premium BBs, with Hyuga between them and flanked by Ashitaka and Poltava. A lot of T7 premiums need love. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #18 Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Aragathor said: Florida isn't in a better place than Cali. Both ships have issues. Both ships sit almost next to each other in the list of underused T7 premium BBs, with Hyuga between them and flanked by Ashitaka and Poltava. A lot of T7 premiums need love. Tiers 6-7 in general are in need of overhaul, but that makes them too convenient Free Exp sinks while old premiums can be pushed into Armory for coal, as bait for the clueless. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 3,002 posts 10,002 battles Report post #19 Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Panocek said: Tiers 6-7 in general are in need of overhaul, but that makes them too convenient Free Exp sinks while old premiums can be pushed into Armory for coal, as bait for the clueless. Yes or as useless drops from santa crates 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #20 Posted December 18, 2022 Wont happen WG hates buffing premiums even those who got downtiered without any nerfs and still ended up being junk. California needs same energy retention as a belfast+2,3 knots top speed, not to forget 45 seconds turret traverse and better dispersion so that the long reload can be justified. But WG would rather buff $uper$shitters, that says it all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #21 Posted December 18, 2022 Lets buff secondaries from all USN BBs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BABBY] BlackYeti Players 995 posts 14,827 battles Report post #22 Posted December 18, 2022 The tier 7 downwards USN BBs need main battery buffs. Accuracy, reload and range (hello NM) and perhaps all of those but NOT anything related to secondaries, unless you plan to farm operations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #23 Posted December 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, BlackYeti said: BBs need One thing that doesn't need buffs in WoWs is the BB class as a whole. Delete CL in one salvo and whine when being burned down in three minutes... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BABBY] BlackYeti Players 995 posts 14,827 battles Report post #24 Posted December 19, 2022 15 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said: One thing that doesn't need buffs in WoWs is the BB class as a whole. Delete CL in one salvo and whine when being burned down in three minutes... I'm okay with nerfing other battleships to match USN BBs performance. And apart from that after changes to cruiser plating it's not that easy to delete cruisers with 14in guns anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TACHA] VedranSeaWolf359 Players 714 posts 11,265 battles Report post #25 Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/18/2022 at 11:33 AM, Aragathor said: You don't even have to compare those two, Hyuga exists. Both are 12x 356mm armed ships. Hyuga has a 29s reload and Cali 34,5s. On the same caliber of guns. And Hyuga has a reload booster. What California needs are three changes. Gun reload down to 30s, acceleration changed to that of the slow BBs, torpedo belt improved to historical levels (New Mex has a better belt than Cali, and New Mex has no extra refits for that). Yep if devs want to do this changes this will be great 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
