Operations are a hot mess now

[BlackYeti]

1 minute ago, lup3s said:

The question then is, what is the current mode ? Easy or hard ? (or somewhere in between)

In between I guess. The main problem is that since the skill gap is so large the "in between" setting is overwhelmingly difficult for the <45% guys (and the solo queue players stuck with them) and still "too easy" for unicums, let alone divisions of such. Hence the need for difficulty split. I know the split was talked about innumerable times, i've been playing ops since their introduction and I desperately don't want this mode to get abandoned by WG again.

[Panocek]

4 minutes ago, BlackYeti said:

In between I guess. The main problem is that since the skill gap is so large the "in between" setting is overwhelmingly difficult for the <45% guys (and the solo queue players stuck with them) and still "too easy" for unicums, let alone divisions of such. Hence the need for difficulty split. I know the split was talked about innumerable times, i've been playing ops since their introduction and I desperately don't want this mode to get abandoned by WG again.

Then there's issue - if "hard" mode have higher rewards to, well, reward partaking in higher difficulty, you'd have all the scrubs flocking there to gain extra stuff. If you equalize rewards for easy and hard, then there would be little incentive to take on high difficulty when you could reliably-ish speedrun easy mode even with randoms.

[Bland_42]

Must say before, but I don't know if would be a good idea.

However...

Why don't make 2 queues, first for T6-7, second for T8-9 (yes T9) and balance each for the superior tier possible?

[Panocek]

10 minutes ago, Bland_42 said:

Must say before, but I don't know if would be a good idea.

However...

Why don't make 2 queues, first for T6-7, second for T8-9 (yes T9) and balance each for the superior tier possible?

Doesn't solve core issue of  players being 

[Bland_42]

3 minuti fa, Panocek ha scritto:

Doesn't solve core issue of  players being 

True, but this way maybe would be possible to partially work around the problem.

Or you think there is a solution to players...?

[lup3s]

24 minutes ago, Bland_42 said:

Must say before, but I don't know if would be a good idea.

However...

Why don't make 2 queues, first for T6-7, second for T8-9 (yes T9) and balance each for the superior tier possible?

 

I think this is worth trying out; WG could try a -1/+1 MM for Ops so a two tiers difference doesn't occur.

[Bland_42]

1 minuto fa, lup3s ha scritto:

 

I think this is worth trying out; WG could try a -1/+1 MM for Ops so a two tiers difference doesn't occur.

That's my idea.

Even more easy to balance, I think.

Could even be implemented to more tiers... like T5-6, T7-8, T9-10. If ever more tiers will be added to Ops.

 

@Seraphice you think could be possible to give imputs to devs?

[Panocek]

17 minutes ago, Bland_42 said:

True, but this way maybe would be possible to partially work around the problem.

Or you think there is a solution to players...?

It would probably congregate all the funny people on tier 8-9, rendering them unplayable, while those who want to play Operations would perhaps play on tier 6-7 precisely to avoid them... Issue is, we had these tiers for years and probably not many veterans of Operations would want to play these tiers anymore

 

As for latter question... there's one, but no one is going to like it 

Spoiler

 

[Bland_42]

7 minuti fa, Panocek ha scritto:

It would probably congregate all the funny people on tier 8-9, rendering them unplayable, while those who want to play Operations would perhaps play on tier 6-7 precisely to avoid them... Issue is, we had these tiers for years and probably not many veterans of Operations would want to play these tiers anymore

 

As for latter question... there's one, but no one is going to like it 

  Rivela contenuti nascosti

 

If we would have 3 double MM like in my last proposition, there would be a better distribution... maybe.

 

About your solution... a bit destructive?

Why not the EMP version instead?

[Panocek]

Just now, Bland_42 said:

If we would have 3 double MM like in my last proposition, there would be a better distribution... maybe.

Personally I'd like to play Operations, current and new with tier 8+ ships simply because I've grown bored of playing midtiers there.

 

But so will people bring their ships to grind them in more-profitable-than-coop environment with intent of not getting their arse whooped like they do in Randoms. Sure, no or next to no rewards for loss might drive them away from Operations, but so would player numbers dwindle, indicating for WG Operations to be a failure not worth server processing power.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

Jap cruiser and dd he spam are my biggest gripe right now. WG even can BALANS Kitakaze again just by looking at its AI ops performance. You can't deal with the he spam. YOU JUST CAN'T! You have to jump island from island.

 

Kitakaze is really ****** up man...

[bigdoguk]

I prefer ops the old way as I don't div and the random pick is annoying. 

[Ymustihaveaname]

On 12/21/2022 at 11:36 AM, Panocek said:

And that is key aspect.

 

More and more people consider "gaming" as equivalent or replacement for TV, something as "brain turned off" activity.

 

On 12/21/2022 at 10:34 AM, lup3s said:

This, again, advocates the main issue being the quality of the players, not the Operation ... 

 

Honestly, I really do not understand what is so difficult about this game. All that is required is some willingness to learn. 

Is that not always going to be the case with Ops? Ie I play OPs when I'm too tired and think that playing randoms would be too hard? I would suggest that since Ops give lower rewards if they dont give a higher WR and are easier to win than randoms then few would play them? I just see them as a step between randoms and coop in terms of skill and reward (and thus they need to be set difficulty wise in-between as well)?

[DFens_666]

On 12/20/2022 at 11:13 PM, BlackYeti said:

Exhibit B: Newport, full team of tier 8 ships including a 5-man division and guess who has to carry??

 

Upon investigating:

 

I rest my case

 

You should have seen that one

AFK Leander and a 4-man div of complete idiots. They were just running around like headless chickens. The worst had 39% WR, the best i think 46% (from the div).

I almost gave up halfway through (when fighting the "harbour" so to say). Luckily the Veneto must have accidentally went into that direction which allowed me to kill the bots and close the distance to the aerodromes.

After i healed up, the Amagi was running back towards the spawn, and the others didnt close the distance either. They were just going up and down pretty much.

 

 

 

And yes, it was still 5-stars

[SurfaceFish]

WG needs to balance the AI when there are 4 or 5 >45% WR players played less than 400 games on the team. They are useless, no idea of positing or play the objectives. Or give those of us finishing top more than 400 basic xp for wasting 20 mins of our time.

 

3 out of 3 operations failed, WTF is up with wows players in the afternoon?