Nerf Kronshtadt!!!

[KHETTIFER]

WoWs is absolutely riddled with unbalanced ships/ship classes, Kronshtadt  is actually nothing remotely special and seems somewhat balanced, that's how retarded this game is, and the best part, WG doesn't give a flying f**k either.

[fumtu]

58 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

I don't see the relevance of this topic. The Kornshtadt is not a factor that affects anybody's game experience. The OP seems to be driven more by spite.

 

Basically this thread is a bait. OP is actually considering Kroni a junk and for years is calling a WG to buff it as it seems like it is his favorite ship or something like that. As that didn't produce any response by WG, I guess he is trying with reverse psychology. 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

37 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Basically this thread is a bait. OP is actually considering Kroni a junk and for years is calling a WG to buff it as it seems like it is his favorite ship or something like that. As that didn't produce any response by WG, I guess he is trying with reverse psychology. 

 

It's okay. I guess a lot of trolls are lonely over christmas. Let them have their guilty pleasure.

[Animalul2012]

17 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

 

The ship was removed almost 4 years ago. I hardly ever run into it these days, cause most owners have quit the game. I don't see the relevance of this topic. The Kornshtadt is not a factor that affects anybody's game experience. The OP seems to be driven more by spite.

The Kronshtadt is an old premium ship. It was one of the driving factors of selling Christmas Lootboxes. The ship cannot be nerfed in accordance with consumer rights. Even to argue such a nerf is to challenge WG to open a Pandora's Box of legal issues.

Just for you curiosity Kronshtadt and Musashi are ships that WG can nerf. They were never sold for doubloons, never sold for real currency (unlike alaska which was). So they can be nerfed just as much as the newer premium ships or special ones, we saw them touching Hyuga and especially Ckalov, the decision belongs to them. As for the loot boxes appeal, you have to be a masochist to want t9 premiums, none of them are worth anymore.

[KillStealBoss]

5 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Just for you curiosity Kronshtadt and Musashi are ships that WG can nerf. They were never sold for doubloons, never sold for real currency (unlike alaska which was). So they can be nerfed just as much as the newer premium ships or special ones, we saw them touching Hyuga and especially Ckalov, the decision belongs to them. As for the loot boxes appeal, you have to be a masochist to want t9 premiums, none of them are worth anymore.

True, same was with Thunderer. Still I don't see any valid reason to nerf a Kronshtadt. It's not the tankiest ship, has meh/bad accuracy, doesn't have improved pen angles, no hydro, bad AA, ok range. The only strong points are AP pen, well protected citadel and hp pool. 

Alaska overall is stronger than Kron.  

[KillStealBoss]

On 12/12/2022 at 5:01 PM, MarChil said:

Removed? Strange that it still pops up.

You know, the are people playing this game for more than 3 years.... 

Just saying. 

[fumtu]

15 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Just for you curiosity Kronshtadt and Musashi are ships that WG can nerf. They were never sold for doubloons, never sold for real currency (unlike alaska which was). So they can be nerfed just as much as the newer premium ships or special ones, we saw them touching Hyuga and especially Ckalov, the decision belongs to them.

 

Except Musashi was sold for doubloons, as it was on auction. Both are full premiums, unlike T10, both were released before WG started to add note of possible "balance" changes, so while WG can nerf them (as anything in the game), chance for that to happen is minimal. 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

On 12/21/2022 at 2:37 PM, Animalul2012 said:

Just for you curiosity Kronshtadt and Musashi are ships that WG can nerf. They were never sold for doubloons, never sold for real currency (unlike alaska which was). So they can be nerfed just as much as the newer premium ships or special ones, we saw them touching Hyuga and especially Ckalov, the decision belongs to them. As for the loot boxes appeal, you have to be a masochist to want t9 premiums, none of them are worth anymore.

 

The new ships can be nerfed because WG has explicitly reserved the right wo nerf those ships in the product description. Since Wargaming is selling lootboxes for real money whose big prices they explicitly advertise above everything else, e.g. Musashi, Missouri, Belfast, Kutuzov, Kamikaze, Guilio Cesare, Kronshtadt et al., they cannot devaluate those big prices without massively decreasing the value of their lootboxes retroactively. It would be a scam to incentivize people to spend a lot of money to get very valuable drops, and then kill the value of these drops. So, no they can't nerf those ships.

 

WG also know they can't nerf those ships. They confirmed that by separating the Missouri credit multiplier from the ship, so they could nerf the credit multiplier for new owners. If they were legally entitled to nerf the Missouri, they would not have needed to come up with such a complicated solution but could simply have nerfed the credit multiplier for all owners, including the owners who got it for FXP. FXP is also a ressource that can be converted using real money, which is why consumer rights apply to Missouri.

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

WG also know they can't nerf those ships.

But Wargaming can nerf ships indirectly.

 

Stealth firing removed, something that IIRC was part of Błyskawica marketing

Smoke firing penalty added, though back then Belfast/Kutuzov owners were given option to sell back ships for doubloons

Commander rework axing tank builds and AFT from supercruiser and DD caliber ones respectively

IFHE/Armor rework damaging midtier CLs (loss of 32mm pen) as well removing unique gimmick of Bayard (30mm base pen, 38mm with IFHE)

Introduction of supershits, removing matchmaking advantage of tier 9-10 boats

Giving gimped version of ASW to "undesirable" ships like Thunderer, JB or Musashi

[Trench4nt]

Am 12.12.2022 um 14:13, Animalul2012 sagte:

After almost 5 years this ship was released it is still brokenly OP, sitting at almost 56% win rate on EU server. 

Why does this thing have 71k HP on a cruiser? Nerf it down to 50k or 55k.

The armor is too good for a cruiser, it is BB level, it has 230mm belt and a 90mm citadel just as good as a BB....

 

 

Aaaah, let me guess. An "overall 45% WR Shima main" is complaining about radar cruisers.

 

Let's have a look at his trash stats:

 

 

...

 

 

... so..., I found two others OP ships that needs to be nerfed first? 

[KillStealBoss]

6 minutes ago, Trench4nt said:

so..., I found two others OP ships that needs to be nerfed first? 

Yeah Agir and Azuma are also OP 

[Animalul2012]

26 minutes ago, Trench4nt said:

 

Aaaah, let me guess. An "overall 45% WR Shima main" is complaining about radar cruisers.

 

Let's have a look at his trash stats:

 

 

...

 

 

... so..., I found two others OP ships that needs to be nerfed first? 

Nerf z-35 and Fen yang too while you are at it.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

So now you want Kronshtadt nerfed.

 

But in January 2019 you wanted improved pen angles and better dispersion for the Kronshtadt. You didn't just want these buffs, you were so convinced of this necessity that you created a thread about it:

 

And now you want the Kronshtadt nerfed and again you don't just have an opinion, but you are so convinced of this demand, that again you need to create a thread about it, requiring a headline with three exclamation marks.

 

So the Kronshtadt back in 2019, when it still had shorter fire duration and all the survivability skills of BBs, needed a buff in your opinion.

And the Kronshtadt now, with the fire duration of a BC, no more Fire Prevention and the frequent possibility of being bottom tier in a T11-game, suddenly needs a nerf.

 

That is quite a change of opinion, that you went through. You really should see somebody.

[Miscommunication_dept]

7 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

So now you want Kronshtadt nerfed.

 

But in January 2019 you wanted improved pen angles and better dispersion for the Kronshtadt. You didn't just want these buffs, you were so convinced of this necessity that you created a thread about it:

 

And now you want the Kronshtadt nerfed and again you don't just have an opinion, but you are so convinced of this demand, that again you need to create a thread about it, requiring a headline with three exclamation marks.

 

So the Kronshtadt back in 2019, when it still had shorter fire duration and all the survivability skills of BBs, needed a buff in your opinion.

And the Kronshtadt now, with the fire duration of a BC, no more Fire Prevention and the frequent possibility of being bottom tier in a T11-game, suddenly needs a nerf.

 

That is quite a change of opinion, that you went through. You really should see somebody.

Well, that’s unexpected!

[ColonelPete]

20 hours ago, Animalul2012 said:

As for the loot boxes appeal, you have to be a masochist to want t9 premiums, none of them are worth anymore.

Then there is obviously no reason to make the ships weaker, if you see it that way