Again WG shortlist ???

[invicta2012]

7 hours ago, lafeel said:

Not sure I'd call San Diego or Toulon the same though..

I thought the jury thought San Diego quite good, almost OP these days? Toulon is better than the hot takes made it sound, too. 

[KillStealBoss]

7 hours ago, Lootboxer said:

I personally wouldn't mind T5 like Kamikaze.

Sadly so far all I've got is another port queen T6 West Wirginia 1941. Shortlist hero Makarov at least is fun to play (until devstrike ;) , T6 very slow BB with low range is not.

18km+ on T6 is low? The third slot gives you range. Plus you have spotter plane. 

[Ocsimano18]

1 hour ago, doerhoff_damian said:

Sure you might prefer getting one of the rare Ships instead but they have a very low drop Chance and are therefore rare for a Reason

The drop chances act as a shortlist giving you a crapton of T5-7 boats instead of the more valuable ones. Buying Santa crates does not worth for the average guys, only for whales who do a lot of additional work to grind/buyout low tier fluff.

[Guest]

The new "shortlist" is adding enormous amounts of trash and tech tree ships into the boxes.

[arttuperkunas]

17 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The drop chances act as a shortlist giving you a crapton of T5-7 boats instead of the more valuable ones. Buying Santa crates does not worth for the average guys, only for whales who do a lot of additional work to grind/buyout low tier fluff.

Pretty much, unless you get lucky. There is that 1% chance per megacrate (0,5% for bigs, a whopping 0,1% for normal crates) of bypassing all the trash and getting a great drop straightaway. Even then, you can end up drawing something "rare" but not particularly desirable, like Hizen or Anchorage.

[Jvd2000]

Satancrates are worthwhile if you have all ships below T7 covered. With the most recent added ships there where a lot of T5-T7 added. Some could be killed by coal ( RiodJ,) some only by being lucky ( Collingwood/ Toulon) some by specifically buying them cheap with coupon for doubloons only (K Schornberg, FR25, both ships that no one should buy on purpose because they suck and therefore now end up in satancrates instead)while I got Maya calculated form this years anniversary from a SC.

 

If players did not do this they end up with a lot of these now…

 

I started Xmas with only the 3 newest T8 CV, Anhalt, San Diego, Hampshire, Rochester, SOV sub plus at T9 those doubloon only PA CL and ITA BB left. I diminished coal liability to Black and the Spa DD ( Tromp is not yet included in the drop pool) Further remaining rare ship was Kamikaze.

 

Free drops until now are San Diego, Kamikaze and Hornet.  In 5 weeks will get the battlepass rewards with maybe another ship. Being patient gives me 5 Mega’s for 2500d ( plus other BP goodies).
Paying additional real money for satan crates will be almost guaranteed a good haul but the remaining ships themselves don’t inspire me much. Like do I need Anhalt with 3 other T8 GER BB premiums in port? The ITA CV is not rated that good…The SOV CV is OK but as fun/ good as Kaga/ Enterprise? I will not comment the sub.. Rochester is no 5 premium T8US cruiser? Hampshire is unique ( with only Tiger and Belfast 43 as different ships) but seems to be not that great. Have already the other T9 ITA BB coal ship, ( and not liked) do I want the other t9 clone ITA BB? And not enjoying pa cruisers that much so Dalian is not much interesting. Black would definitely save me a lot of coal. The Spa DD would be early 2023 bought anyway. Getting it now would mean Tromps skips the waiting line.

 

Dont get me wrong, receiving 3 ships for free T10 tickets was fun.Last year only gave me the Mysore. 

 

 

[Wulf_Ace]

6 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The drop chances act as a shortlist giving you a crapton of T5-7 boats instead of the more valuable ones. Buying Santa crates does not worth for the average guys, only for whales who do a lot of additional work to grind/buyout low tier fluff.

Belfast has a same drop chance as let say Collingwood. But guess what all people are getting Collingwood and I havent seen anybody got Belfast yet.

 

Or should I say Yukon? Also ship that drops more then others.

 

The list goes on, nobody can convince me that there is no hidden mechanic of dropping crap ships instead of good ones.

[hgbn_dk]

6 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Belfast has a same drop chance as let say Collingwood.

Which is not true. Belfast are in the rare and T-X bracket which have the lowest drop chance of all ships

[lup3s]

14 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Not saying it's rigged or anything, but anyone would be disappointed with those results.

 

> gets more ships than expected

> "anyone would be disappointed"

 

I thought "snowflakes" applied to ships,  not to players ... cry more 

 

What's the point of this thread; trying to create drama where there is none ? 

[Dutchy_2019]

8 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said:

Belfast has a same drop chance as let say Collingwood. But guess what all people are getting Collingwood and I havent seen anybody got Belfast yet.

 

Or should I say Yukon? Also ship that drops more then others.

 

The list goes on, nobody can convince me that there is no hidden mechanic of dropping crap ships instead of good ones.

 

Belfast - assuming you mean the T7 ship - is a RARE ship, like Giulio. Belfast '43 is a T8, and therefore also has a lower drop chance; also, Belfast 43 has been here for a while, so more people are likely to have her. Same goes for Yukon.

 

[hgbn_dk]

[tocqueville8]

Just now, lup3s said:

> gets more ships than expected

> "anyone would be disappointed"

 

I thought "snowflakes" applied to ships,  not to players ... cry more 

 

I don't think I'm a snowflake for saying that getting 12% more ships than expected, but 75% fewer of the expected "good" ones (Tier 8-10 or rare), would be disappointing. That doesn't seem overly dramatic, but feel free to propose a tamer expression.

 

As it happens, I posted about getting 2 ships out of 3 small containers so far, so personally I'm certainly not complaining, nevermind "crying" about anything.

 

Your comment is just misdirected.

[BrusilovX]

I got a Hampshire, I-56 and a S-189 from the crates so far.  I have no intention of ever playing submarines.  I was able to claim the festival rewards for them as some of the rewards allow you to collect the rewards for other non played ships.  The submarines were some of the first to go.

[Lootboxer]

8 hours ago, KillStealBoss said:

18km+ on T6 is low? The third slot gives you range. Plus you have spotter plane. 

I meant effective range, can't hit crap at max range.

[lup3s]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

I don't think I'm a snowflake for saying that getting 12% more ships than expected, but 75% fewer of the expected "good" ones (Tier 8-10 or rare), would be disappointing. That doesn't seem overly dramatic, but feel free to propose a tamer expression.

 

As it happens, I posted about getting 2 ships out of 3 small containers so far, so personally I'm certainly not complaining, nevermind "crying" about anything.

 

Your comment is just misdirected.

 

Some people would be content with getting more than expected, saying anyone would be dissappointed is (in my opinion) whining about nothing.

 

:edit:

 

Disappointing is when you get 11 Mega crates (expecting 1-2 ships) and not getting any. :)

[Adm_Lindemann]

Oh, the infamous Makarov is back... Well done, Comrade!

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Got Mysore and Munchen.

 

[tocqueville8]

33 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Some people would be content with getting more than expected,

 

But it's less that expected.

We don't just count the results, we weigh them: ten $20 bills are worth more than twenty $1 bills, even though they're fewer.

 

In this case, given the odds are 12-3-1 for the three pools, it's reasonable to suggest the Tier 8-9s are "worth" four Tier 5-7s each and the Tier 10/rare are worth twelve. At least, those are the values assigned by the odds: one could look at the doubloon price average or some other measure.

With this argument, the expected 12-3-1 ships for 100 mega containers are "worth" 12-12-12, or 36 Tier 5-7s. Compared to that, getting 17-1-0 ships gives a score of 21, which is only 58% of what was expected. That's pretty bad, especially given that the number of containers was somewhat high, several times what one can get for free.

 

Once again, I'm not whining, complaining or anything. I'm just trying to quantify why that drop seems disappointing to me.

[hgbn_dk]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

But it's less that expected.

We don't just count the results, we weigh them: ten $20 bills are worth more than twenty $1 bills, even though they're fewer.

 

In this case, given the odds are 12-3-1 for the three pools, it's reasonable to suggest the Tier 8-9s are "worth" four Tier 5-7s each and the Tier 10/rare are worth twelve. At least, those are the values assigned by the odds: one could look at the doubloon price average or some other measure.

With this argument, the expected 12-3-1 ships for 100 mega containers are "worth" 12-12-12, or 36 Tier 5-7s. Compared to that, getting 17-1-0 ships gives a score of 21, which is only 58% of what was expected. That's pretty bad, especially given that the number of containers was somewhat high, several times what one can get for free.

 

Once again, I'm not whining, complaining or anything. I'm just trying to quantify why that drop seems disappointing to me.

Think the only way you can value any ship or other stuff drawn is through the Doubloon cost of the goods vs the cost of the crates. If you get any ship from a free crate its a win. If you get more doubloon value from ships than the crates did cost in purchase you won. I know ships are the main price in Santa crates bought or free and all the other stuff is seen as filler. If you don't expect more than the guarantee drop chance offer, then you can never be disappointed.

 

In my case I have been extremely lucky with my crates. Got 9 ships in value for minimum 125600 doubloons worth in the armoury plus 3 which its difficult to value since they are not for sale in the armoury.

All this from 24 bought Mega gifts and the 14 free from snowflakes, 20 bought big gifts and 40 gifts. I usually buy 20 of each size each year its a kind of Christmas tradition. All batches of bought crates dropped at least one ship. But I honestly didn't expect more than the 2 guaranteed drops from the Mega gifts. But of course my hopes was up for more.

 

Just for the record already had all Tier V and VI ships except for Kamikase R which I was lucky enough to get from the batch of free Mega from snowflakes. 

[Matt_FSR]

You guys are getting ships?!?!

[lafeel]

16 minutes ago, Matt_FSR said:

You guys are getting ships?!?!

Quite a few actually.

[Miscommunication_dept]

High quality whales buy all the tier 5-7 ships before opening Santa crates.

[Onsterfelijke]

15 hours ago, lup3s said:

 

Some people would be content with getting more than expected, saying anyone would be dissappointed is (in my opinion) whining about nothing.

 

:edit:

 

Disappointing is when you get 11 Mega crates (expecting 1-2 ships) and not getting any. :)

You need 3 more for garanted ship drop!

 

My first ship out of a Big container (20X) was a Colinwood same as my clan members

 

While from my Mega (20x) was much beter

Fr25

Toulon

Maya

Giuseppe Verdi

Kamikaze R