Someone explains to me the logic behind the credits earning and expenditure

[Ymustihaveaname]

2 hours ago, FloatingTarget said:

The only logic is it exists as a way to hamper making credits to frustrate the player.

I mean, we could all be given accounts with everything on them from the start of the game, but would that not equally not risk getting boring very fast with no sense of progression with no new content to work to unlock? (and WG would make no money they need to keep servers running from people want to sped up the grind...)

 

From my point of view, I would say limiting yourself to a few ships you play well (that are also premium or have premium camo, now permanent economic bonus package) will speed up your cash flow a lot?

 

It also allows you to play with higher T captains even f you only have a few and get to know how to play them well, so increase WR especially if you play in DIvs (to max WR) and add on your good single use (blue etc) boosters on sessions you know you are playing well.

 

I played 111 games in Aigle (T6 got free as my new player intro ship after 50 games?), 384 Alaska and 406 Thunderer (well it was my first coal t10.....and 2nd T2 after Moskva 252 that I got as free as she became premium, that shows when i started playing....)

[OldPappy]

On 12/10/2022 at 3:54 AM, Silfuin said:

I noticed that credits and exp with premium account are more than doubled. IS tehre any way of getting premium account without dumping money in it?

 

Premium time is actually one of the very few things I spend my money on in this game. It's about 10EUR for 30 days. 

Premuim time is almost essential. You can get by without it, but you have to very good!

So easiest fix is

1: buy premium.

2: play every 3:rd match in groningen.

3: Save up an buy a coalship you think you will enjoy. 

of the dds, I'd wait and save for a t9 dd. 

[Ymustihaveaname]

7 hours ago, Silfuin said:

Yeah, I am in a dead clan, and at the times I play ther's really noone to team up with.
 

And ... yeah, guys, I'm right here, why talking about "he"?

Maybe it's time to move or at least look for other places to play occasionally when you want as you can play with others and now with the new merc system you can even play CBs with other clans even without joining them and get premium time and steel etc even at squall/gale?

 

And apologies but was unsure about forum etiquette I started the post replying to somebody else, so how do I talk about or name you without @ you each post?

[Ymustihaveaname]

25 minutes ago, OldPappy said:

: Save up an buy a coalship you think you will enjoy. 

I will add thing like the "five epochs of the navy" collections, thats completable via the campaign (redo the easiest mission each time to do it fast) and other similar things (the 7 year anniversary allowed me to buy 4 T7 ones...) give out permanent economic bonus packages that will change a tech tree ship into a defacto premium/coal ship so look out for them as well as they also help grinding.

 

I also have them on all the higher IJN gunboat line, so I can speed regrind for RB points as they now stack with ship exp boaters for grinding.......

[OldPappy]

2 minutes ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

I will add thing like the "five epochs of the navy" collections and other similar things (the 7 year anniversary allowed me to buy 4 T7 ones...) give out permanent economic bonus packages that will change a tech tree ship into a defacto premium/coal ship so look out for them as well as they also help grinding.

 

I also have them on all the higher IJN gunboat line, so I can speed regrind for RB points as they now stack with ship exp boaters for grinding.......

Good advices! 

[Panocek]

30 minutes ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

give out permanent economic bonus packages that will change a tech tree ship into a defacto premium/coal ship so look out for them as well as they also help grinding.

That is bit of a stretch, but these does indeed help with the economy in the long run.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, OldPappy said:

Premium time is actually one of the very few things I spend my money on in this game. It's about 10EUR for 30 days. 

Premuim time is almost essential. You can get by without it, but you have to very good!

So easiest fix is

1: buy premium.

2: play every 3:rd match in groningen.

3: Save up an buy a coalship you think you will enjoy. 

of the dds, I'd wait and save for a t9 dd. 

At christmass, there is usually a year of premium for 40€ (? - I think) available, that's usually the only thing I ever pay real money for. That's an ok value in my opinion.

[Ymustihaveaname]

2 hours ago, Panocek said:

That is bit of a stretch, but these does indeed help with the economy in the long run.

Apart from the old & removed (and now unobtainable apart from maybe Xmas's loot?) Premiums, are the bonuses not the same from coal & steel / premium dubs ships/bonus packages on tech ships for each Tier?

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

Apart from the old & removed (and now unobtainable apart from maybe Xmas's loot?) Premiums, are the bonuses not the same from coal & steel / premium dubs ships/bonus packages on tech ships for each Tier?

No.

[Ymustihaveaname]

23 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No

Really pointless that they list the bonuses by % for each type and then go to the trouble of hiding stuff..... why....it would only make people buy more premiums if they knew they are better....?

[ColonelPete]

24 minutes ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

Really pointless that they list the bonuses by % for each type and then go to the trouble of hiding stuff..... why....it would only make people buy more premiums if they knew they are better....?

Premium ships are advertised with having increased credit earning.

[tocqueville8]

13 hours ago, Silfuin said:

The whole point probably can be directly translated in: Is there a way to earn more coal?

 

By a twisted cosmic irony WG decision, you can get coal by bidding credits (or FXP, last time) at the occasional lighthouse auction. If only that wasn't precisely the issue...

[hgbn_dk]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

By a twisted cosmic irony WG decision, you can get coal by bidding credits (or FXP, last time) at the occasional lighthouse auction. If only that wasn't precisely the issue...

If you lack credits like op do. Then you can't afford anything in a lighthouse auction

[Silfuin]

Lots of good advice here.

 

5 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

At christmass, there is usually a year of premium for 40€ (? - I think) available, that's usually the only thing I ever pay real money for. That's an ok value in my opinion.

I will consider this as a christmas gift.

 

7 hours ago, OldPappy said:

1: buy premium.

2: play every 3:rd match in groningen.

3: Save up an buy a coalship you think you will enjoy. 

of the dds, I'd wait and save for a t9 dd. 

Seems a good strategy.

 

6 hours ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

I will add thing like the "five epochs of the navy" collections, thats completable via the campaign (redo the easiest mission each time to do it fast) and other similar things (the 7 year anniversary allowed me to buy 4 T7 ones...) give out permanent economic bonus packages that will change a tech tree ship into a defacto premium/coal ship so look out for them as well as they also help grinding.

 

I also have them on all the higher IJN gunboat line, so I can speed regrind for RB points as they now stack with ship exp boaters for grinding.......

Will check that out.

[Silfuin]

7 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

It is a bit strange, that I player, who bought credits in the past, complaints about paying players progressing faster...

Apart from this being the economic model of most F2P games.

 

Fun fact, every F2P player starts with multiple ships in this game.

Nobody forces you. It is your choice.

You spend a bucket load of coal in this game, but instead of getting ships, that make you credits, you got captains. That was your choice.

Don't get mad at me, everything I did was indeed my own choice, like dumping money in this game.
What can I say, everybody makes mistakes, I certainly did and maybe I spent coal in the wrong way, fact is now i'm searching a different way on.
I must correct you though, not all F2P games have faster progress rate for people dumping money in them, there are some where money is just spent for cosmetic stuff which has no impact on the game.
Anyway let's move on, if you wanna say that I have been stupid, I'll accept that, not the first time in my life, and thanks god that was only in a game.

[Silfuin]

Disregard.
Was stupid stuff.

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, Silfuin said:

I must correct you though, not all F2P games have faster progress rate for people dumping money in them, there are some where money is just spent for cosmetic stuff which has no impact on the game.

That is why I wrote...

7 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Apart from this being the economic model of most F2P games.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

bold of you to assume that logic rhymes with WG

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, hgbn_dk said:

If you lack credits like op do. Then you can't afford anything in a lighthouse auction

That's what I said...

[OldPappy]

11 hours ago, Silfuin said:

Seems a good strategy.

I think the Black is a coalship. 🤔
its expensive but worth every single lump of that coal!

[OldPappy]

16 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

At christmass, there is usually a year of premium for 40€ (? - I think) available, that's usually the only thing I ever pay real money for. That's an ok value in my opinion.

Yes that would be money well spent in my book too. 40€ is easily wasted on other stuff every month, but if you truly enjoy wows - which we appearantly still do - its nothing compared to what you get out. Good tip!!😊👍🏻

[Silfuin]

Coming back on this thread to finalize some strategy.
On the idea to get a tier VI DD to play I don't have enough coal to get neither gallant nor aigle, I miss about 7k-8k coal, something less for the Anshan.
Would it be sensible to spend 600-700 iron (55 for the Anshan) to buy one now or do you advise to be patient and get it when I will be able without using iron?
Also I have both the UN and French lines and I enjoy both, so Gallant and Aigle wil both be fun for me.
What do you think would be a better choice (for printing credits)?
And what would be the playstyle of Anshan? With 4k torps seems much less versatile than the other two.

[MoveZig]

23 minutes ago, Silfuin said:

Coming back on this thread to finalize some strategy.
On the idea to get a tier VI DD to play I don't have enough coal to get neither gallant nor aigle, I miss about 7k-8k coal, something less for the Anshan.
Would it be sensible to spend 600-700 iron (55 for the Anshan) to buy one now or do you advise to be patient and get it when I will be able without using iron?
Also I have both the UN and French lines and I enjoy both, so Gallant and Aigle wil both be fun for me.
What do you think would be a better choice (for printing credits)?
And what would be the playstyle of Anshan? With 4k torps seems much less versatile than the other two.

Anshan has alternative 8km torps you can mount.

 

Never spend steel instead of coal, not worth it.

 

Anshan was my first bought prem and I clearly played the ever-loving **** out of it because it's still at the top of my played ships in Randoms by a wide margin. I don't know how it performs now but mind the very slow turrets. It's not a brawler, more of a gunboat for 7-12 km. Gallant is more of a torpboat (and the shells fly very high, so you kinda have to get close to hit DDs) and Aigle is a brawler with awkward French characteristics (slow turrets, gimmicky engine boost, bad firing angles, bad detectability). Aigle is not for everyone, but at least it has smoke unlike the tech-tree French.

 

In terms of earnings, they should all be the same, so the difference will be in your performance and how long you keep using them.

[Ymustihaveaname]

42 minutes ago, Silfuin said:

On the idea to get a tier VI DD to play I don't have enough coal to get neither gallant nor aigle, I miss about 7k-8k coal, something less for the Anshan.
Would it be sensible to spend 600-700 iron (55 for the Anshan) to buy one now or do you advise to be patient and get it when I will be able without using iron?
Also I have both the UN and French lines and I enjoy both, so Gallant and Aigle wil both be fun for me.
What do you think would be a better choice (for printing credits)?
And what would be the playstyle of Anshan? With 4k torps seems much less versatile than the other two.

Have you done all your snowflakes for extra coal? (including nay missing T5 ships you could buy back even if that will cost you credits?)

 

I would go Aigle (and like her & you like Guépard from your stats, and she has smoke to help even more?)  as I dont think Gallant is like the tech line with short smokes as it was out first so is simply worse than the tech RN ships?

 

Iron/steel wise, it depends, are you going to ever use it on a steel ship? How much do you have, Normally I would say no but if you have very little and are not going to play CBs or ranked to get much of it then maybe? You could get 600 Steel in one ranked sprint by winning 9 games at T5.....if you have a say 50% average WR thats only 18 games played to get it, and they are mostly shorter games than random? But you can also just grind coal from the 2-3 daily coal containers 800+ (or even 1200+ a day if you play at least one game with a blue ship exp boosters you get the three almost in a few good games as they are not on base exp!)

[Silfuin]

15 minutes ago, Ymustihaveaname said:

Have you done all your snowflakes for extra coal? (including nay missing T5 ships you could buy back even if that will cost you credits?)

 

I would go Aigle (and like her & you like Guépard from your stats, and she has smoke to help even more?)  as I dont think Gallant is like the tech line with short smokes as it was out first so is simply worse than the tech RN ships?

 

Iron/steel wise, it depends, are you going to ever use it on a steel ship? How much do you have, Normally I would say no but if you have very little and are not going to play CBs or ranked to get much of it then maybe? You could get 600 Steel in one ranked sprint by winning 9 games at T5.....if you have a say 50% average WR thats only 18 games played to get it, and they are mostly shorter games than random? 

I have 4800 iron ... pretty far from the 27000 needed fdor Ragnar.

 

As for snowflakes ... explain?
I don't know anything about snowflakes ...