Shikishima or Bourgogne for steel

[Deksi_4]

3 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

If you can do well in co-op with the tech tree British CLs you'll do fine with Plymouth.

Ship & gun handling (and lack of robustness) are similar to Edinburgh & Neptune.

One of the reasons I chose Plym was I quite like that class (I'm mainly play PvE) and it was useful in training up my commanders.

The only thing that didn't quite fit was when I was training up my Minotaur commander who doesn't have (nor need) the turret traverse skill which is useful on Plymouth.

Other commanders, like from Fiji, work fine though.

I am curently at Fiji. I am glad that you have a good time in Plym. Having in mind advices from all of you, I will go with Bourgogne. It is a bb but fast and play unique,like a cruiser. It has powerfull HE and AP on broadside ships on almost all ranges. And when I make a mistake, and I will for sure, I wont go to port instantly like in other cruisers which are blappable with one salvo by an experienced bb player. 

[Verblonde]

6 hours ago, Deksi_4 said:

Because of my work I am almost exclusively  co-op player

I'm another vote for Bourgogne (although I'm using Yamato and Mushashi as Shiki analogues): for Coop, she'll generally be a lot more useful than something more ponderous. Stick a coal engine boost on her too, if you can - being able to get close to the bots as soon as possible is key to efficient Coop games. You're then kind of like an enormously fat gun cruiser, with plenty of secondaries, which is always good value in PvE.

 

I do play my big and ponderous fatties in Coop now and again, for a change; however, if I need to get decent results, things like Bourgogne are usually more effective. YMMV of course.

[Matt_FSR]

Another vote for the Bourgogne here, simply because there's not much else that plays like her!

 

Grind credits and get Satsuma, and you basically have a Shikishima MUCH easier than grinding for Steel.  

 

Burger is fast, fairly sneaky and while she doesn't overmatch anything much with those 15" guns, the amount of fast, hard hitting shells you can send downrange in a short timespan is ludicrous!    

[Deksi_4]

58 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

I'm another vote for Bourgogne (although I'm using Yamato and Mushashi as Shiki analogues): for Coop, she'll generally be a lot more useful than something more ponderous. Stick a coal engine boost on her too, if you can - being able to get close to the bots as soon as possible is key to efficient Coop games. You're then kind of like an enormously fat gun cruiser, with plenty of secondaries, which is always good value in PvE.

 

I do play my big and ponderous fatties in Coop now and again, for a change; however, if I need to get decent results, things like Bourgogne are usually more effective. YMMV of course.

Thanks for the advice. 

[Deksi_4]

22 minutes ago, Matt_FSR said:

Another vote for the Bourgogne here, simply because there's not much else that plays like her!

 

Grind credits and get Satsuma, and you basically have a Shikishima MUCH easier than grinding for Steel.  

 

Burger is fast, fairly sneaky and while she doesn't overmatch anything much with those 15" guns, the amount of fast, hard hitting shells you can send downrange in a short timespan is ludicrous!    

Thanks Matt

[Sir_Sinksalot]

I'm having this same WoWS headache and reduced my 1st steel ship list to one of these two BB's.

 

Both of these ships would be a fine addition and make sense for my current ship and commander lineup but I think I'm 51% leaning towards the Bourgo and think I would find that BB overall the more fun BB for the same reason I currently find the T7 Hyuga such a fun BB, and it's because of that reload booster. Thing is, the Bourgo is a much faster and more agile BB than the Hyuga so with that comes more fun potential, more flexibility during a battle offensively, defensively, but also a higher chance of getting into trouble and getting wrecked so it comes with a caveat imho.

 

If you're the type of player that doesn't know their ships very well, doesn't know the thickness of armor and how the overmatch rule works and plays a somewhat conservative brand of playstyle and just wants to shoot at stuff from a safe distance and bang big holes in ships then the Shiki would be the better pick imho. It has fast reloading mains which forgives missed shots by virtue of less downtime between reloads, has a very high sustained penetration at long range so will knock holes in certain armor at long range the Bourgo will not, and you'll also be overmatching a lot of ships armor even ships that are bow-on that the Bourgo will not. So as a noob, you will be better suited to the Shiki and be racking up big damage for even noob play, shooting bows, not having a clue what the f you're doing and why lol(like me most the time!!)) which is great, rewarding noobism. As a noob you won't understand why or when your Shiki overmatched a ship but you'll just enjoy the damage, and equally you won't understand when or why the Bourgo doesn't and will be sitting frustrated with no damage in the exact same situation shooting at the exact same ship.

 

If however, you're a confident player and has a decent understanding of the different ship targets you'll be encountering, knows what and where and what not to shoot etc, have the game craft and knowledge to work flanks and work into somewhat dangerous positions to get cross shots on the sides of enemy flanks etc, then the Bourgo is going to be way more fun and rewarding most likely. 

[Deksi_4]

7 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

I'm having this same WoWS headache and reduced my 1st steel ship list to one of these two BB's.

 

Both of these ships would be a fine addition and make sense for my current ship and commander lineup but I think I'm 51% leaning towards the Bourgo and think I would find that BB overall the more fun BB for the same reason I currently find the T7 Hyuga such a fun BB, and it's because of that reload booster. Thing is, the Bourgo is a much faster and more agile BB than the Hyuga so with that comes more fun potential, more flexibility during a battle offensively, defensively, but also a higher chance of getting into trouble and getting wrecked so it comes with a caveat imho.

 

If you're the type of player that doesn't know their ships very well, doesn't know the thickness of armor and how the overmatch rule works and plays a somewhat conservative brand of playstyle then the Shiki would be the better pick imho. It has fast reloading mains which forgives missed shots by virtue of less downtime between reloads, has a very high sustained penetration at long range so will knock holes in certain armor at long range the Bourgo will not, and you'll also be overmatching a lot of ships armor even ships that are bow-on that the Bourgo will not. So as a noob, you will be better suited to the Shiki and be racking up big damage for even noob play, shooting bows, not having a clue what the f you're doing and why lol(like me most the time!!)) which is great, rewarding noobism. 

 

If however, you're a confident player and has a decent understanding of the different ship targets you'll be encountering, knows what and where and what not to shoot etc, have the game craft and knowledge to work flanks and work into somewhat dangerous positions to get cross shots on the sides of enemy flanks etc, then the Bourgo is going to be way more fun and rewarding most likely. 

I am something between conservative and dinamic player. I know perfectly the armor of most ships in the game, but like most players, I am depandant of our team play when the game start. I always try to go to the flank and search for enemy broadsides. Depending how good is the enemy team, I organize my tactic and gameplay. Because of that I think that both ships would suit me, and it is difficult to choose only one. Bourgogne is longer in the armory and she is fast, can use the reload boosters, and can reposition better in the circumstance that the red team become to aggresive. Bourgogne is faster than Shiki, so she can reposition easier and spam HE to enemy team when they are bow on. Shiki is harder to play, she is less nimble, and when the red team synchronize their push, Shikishima cant even turn easy(Yamato cheeks). So the average player can die easier in Shika, but I agree with you, nothing is more satisfying to see then when Shika shells conect. Because Bourg is longer in the armory, and is on risk of removal, I will get her first, and then start acumulating coal for Shikishima. 

[Sir_Sinksalot]

29 minutes ago, Deksi_4 said:

 Because Bourg is longer in the armory, and is on risk of removal, I will get her first, and then start acumulating coal for Shikishima. 

 

Sound logic and I'll probably follow that same path but tell me what you know about coal for Shiki? I take it you meant steel and not some update about the Shiki being downgraded to coal?(That might actually make sense come to think about since we now have T11.5 Satsuma)

 

...actually the more I think about it the more it makes sense that the Shiki should be downgraded to a coal ship now along with a few others. Grinding your nuts off for months or years just to get enough steel for one single ship only to be immediately outgunned by some superior yet common free tech tree T11 ship that we could have acquired in far less time.

 

That or Steel ships should NEVER see T11, effectively coming with pref MM. Gotta put some value back into that currency and reason for players to care to grind these steel ships and play ranked and clans etc.

[Cammo1962]

9 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

 

Sound logic and I'll probably follow that same path but tell me what you know about coal for Shiki? I take it you meant steel and not some update about the Shiki being downgraded to coal?(That might actually make sense come to think about since we now have T11.5 Satsuma)

 

...actually the more I think about it the more it makes sense that the Shiki should be downgraded to a coal ship now along with a few others. Grinding your nuts off for months or years just to get enough steel for one single ship only to be immediately outgunned by some superior yet common free tech tree T11 ship that we could have acquired in far less time.

 

That or Steel ships should NEVER see T11, effectively coming with pref MM. Gotta put some value back into that currency and reason for players to care to grind these steel ships and play ranked and clans etc.

Bourgogne is older than Shikisima (I think 2 years older than Shika) so that will disappear first and maybe turn up 6 to 12 month laster as a coal ship thats why i would recommend the Bourgogne before it disappear.

[Deksi_4]

43 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

 

Sound logic and I'll probably follow that same path but tell me what you know about coal for Shiki? I take it you meant steel and not some update about the Shiki being downgraded to coal?(That might actually make sense come to think about since we now have T11.5 Satsuma)

 

...actually the more I think about it the more it makes sense that the Shiki should be downgraded to a coal ship now along with a few others. Grinding your nuts off for months or years just to get enough steel for one single ship only to be immediately outgunned by some superior yet common free tech tree T11 ship that we could have acquired in far less time.

 

That or Steel ships should NEVER see T11, effectively coming with pref MM. Gotta put some value back into that currency and reason for players to care to grind these steel ships and play ranked and clans etc.

My bad, not for coal. I ment that I will start acumulating steel for Shiki next. I think that I saw a post od Seraphice responding at one of the players here on the forum, that they dont intend to downgrade any ship from steel to coal like they did with Black and Neustrashimy. I agree with you that Shiki should be for coal now that Satsuma exsist and Yamato is basicly the same playstile with one turet more. It took me two and half years to get 24000 steel for my first steel ship. I rarely play clan battles and ranked, because not enough free time, so I can usually get only steel which is included in free battle pass. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

@Seraphice

Say, is there anything in the grapevine concerning the removal of ships?

[Seraphice]

13 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

@Seraphice

Say, is there anything in the grapevine concerning the removal of ships?

Right now I know of no plans to remove any ships from the armory - if that changes, we'll make sure to give you ample notice.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

21 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Right now I know of no plans to remove any ships from the armory - if that changes, we'll make sure to give you ample notice.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

What does "ample" mean? Do I get an afternoon to get my things in order before it's gone or can I wait for the next 25% coupon and earn some more steel?

[Seraphice]

25 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

What does "ample" mean? Do I get an afternoon to get my things in order before it's gone or can I wait for the next 25% coupon and earn some more steel?

In the past this notice has been around 2 or 3 patches.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[deathsadow]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:27 PM, Seraphice said:

personally I would go for bourgogne because she is more of a unique playstyle than shikishima.
There are ways to experience shikishima through yamato or satsuma, or even incomparable if its about the big guns, but the combination of reload booster and the increased speed for bourgogne is what makes her quite unique

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

And what  is your opinion on the Bourgogne or Mecklenburg, which one would you go for between this 2 and why ? I got quite a few 457 equiped BB and both Yamato and Musashi , so i would like to pick up something with a smaller caliber as my next BB. The Bourgogne seem to be very similar to the Jean Bart which i got already and i like that one, but the German doesnt seem similar to anything i played sofar, is it worth picking up it over the Bourgogne ?

[Seraphice]

2 hours ago, deathsadow said:

And what  is your opinion on the Bourgogne or Mecklenburg, which one would you go for between this 2 and why ? I got quite a few 457 equiped BB and both Yamato and Musashi , so i would like to pick up something with a smaller caliber as my next BB. The Bourgogne seem to be very similar to the Jean Bart which i got already and i like that one, but the German doesnt seem similar to anything i played sofar, is it worth picking up it over the Bourgogne ?

Personally I would say that bourgogne is one of the ships that can give you the most fun in the game. It has one of the biggest highs in the game, but is not as reliable as the mecklenburg overall I would say.

I also dont think that Jean Bart and Bourgogne are comparable at all. Jean Bart is a more stationary and nose in type of playstyle most of the time, using corridors, whereas bourgogne requires a very mobile playstyle and also kind of requires you to know when to push and when to back off.

I still think Mecklenburg is very good fun and I've enjoyed her more recently, but in overall package I still think bourgogne is a bit better.

 

Happy holidays Captain!
~Sera