T10 Techtree Cruisers useless...

[COPlUM]

Just got nevsky, tried it out with a 10pt captain, result :

 

Recently acquired some more T10 cruisers but haven't started playing them yet.

If I play 10 games in each of those, post results here by friday and it's a wall of purple text will you consider that perhaps this is a you-problem?

[COPlUM]

14 hours ago, Kutfroat said:

All T10 cruisers bad, Petro good

Are you getting your opinions from 2 year old reddit posts? Petro was nerfed every patch since it was released, there's almost nothing left of that poor thing.

[KillStealBoss]

46 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Memetaur. Just changed to Ruddershift, an entirely new experience.

 

 

Is that radar only minotaur clone with HE still a thing? Can't wait...

Yeah. But it's Australian so you need to grind Huron or whatever commonwealth commander you have. I have 2 Commonwealth commanders 21 points but now one is for Perth and the other on Mysore. So I'll also need another one. Sad 

[arttuperkunas]

14 minutes ago, COPlUM said:

Are you getting your opinions from 2 year old reddit posts? Petro was nerfed every patch since it was released, there's almost nothing left of that poor thing.

Cockroach survivability is still there (for the most part), but Napoli does that better tbh.

[KillStealBoss]

23 minutes ago, COPlUM said:

Are you getting your opinions from 2 year old reddit posts? Petro was nerfed every patch since it was released, there's almost nothing left of that poor thing.

Rightfully tbh. It's still strong. 

[Max_Kammerer]

16 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said:

Yeah. But it's Australian so you need to grind Huron or whatever commonwealth commander you have. I have 2 Commonwealth commanders 21 points but now one is for Perth and the other on Mysore. So I'll also need another one. Sad 

Perth's 21p skipper can be used without problems...

[Seraphice]

I would say that cruisers are the class that scale the best with tiers.
The higher the tier, the more relevant cruisers become in the power dynamic. At least that is my opinion.

 

To say that they are useless is... both subjectively and objectively not true.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[arttuperkunas]

12 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

I would say that cruisers are the class that scale the best with tiers.
The higher the tier, the more relevant cruisers become in the power dynamic. At least that is my opinion.

 

To say that they are useless is... both subjectively and objectively not true.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Well mid tier cruisers are certainly in a very, very bad spot. At least in relative terms, I agree, high tier cruisers are in a much better place.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Thalandor_gaming said:

The only concern I have is, while the top ships are a good mix of serveral distinguished playstyle, the bottom 4 ships are all long range damage farmers.

Indicating that this playstyle, however easy and chilled it might be, has objectively too little game impact.

Could also be that they are a favourite of low-game-investment players. 

AKA the kind that plays with one hand and half a braincell. 

[arttuperkunas]

25 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Could also be that they are a favourite of low-game-investment players. 

AKA the kind that plays with one hand and half a braincell. 

A little of one, a little of the other.

 

It is IMO genuinely harder to carry games in a ship that is optimised for long range dpm vs a ship with good concealment, radar and the ability to support DDs at caps.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Memetaur. Just changed to Ruddershift, an entirely new experience.

 

 

Is that radar only minotaur clone with HE still a thing? Can't wait...

My recipe for Memetaur is UU, Smoke GenMod and Consumables Enchacements for more than one minute of SnoopDogg experience

 

Also that "minotaur clone with HE" got nerfhammered enough to question its existence

[Hirohito]

1 hour ago, Seraphice said:

I would say that cruisers are the class that scale the best with tiers.
The higher the tier, the more relevant cruisers become in the power dynamic. At least that is my opinion.

 

To say that they are useless is... both subjectively and objectively not true.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Scale?
You make it sound like the are skill- or mechanics that cause cruiser to naturally "scale" as you progress through tiers.

There is no "scaling" at play here, and WG should know this by now.
Mid tier cruisers get overmatched by 203mm and above (meaning all BBs and several cruisers), they have no heal to bail them out, they usually can't penetrate the absurd armour schemes of mid tier BBs while also having bad fire chance, they often have terrible range and bad concealment, and they serve no strong purpose to support the caps because radar doesn't exist at these tiers as a gimmick that gives the class a true game-influencing purpose..

Again, there is no "scaling" at play here, except terrible design and balance by WG when it comes to mid tier cruisers.
WG could give them better pen and a heal but hasn't, thus making this is a willing design choice by WG by refusing to prop up mid tier cruisers.

[Wulf_Ace]

5 hours ago, Ubertron_X said:

Omono and great in the same sentence?

 

 

No really, have you tried to compare Omono to old man Myoko? Myoko has better AP pen, better HE pen, better alpha strike, better gun dpm, better torpedo count and torpedo dpm (it can even be argued whether the torpedoes are actually better as you trade range and damage for speed and reaction time), better HP and better armor that can actually be made to work. Omono has some straight lining speed, some gun range, some concelment and some torp range. The only thing that Omono has over Myoko is the ability to stealth torp at way better torp angles if there is no enemy DD or CV around, however even then the torpedoes are so lacking in number and quality that I do not find this a big advantage.

that is your opinion.

and opinion is like an as$hole, everybody have one.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, arttuperkunas said:

A little of one, a little of the other.

Probably. Spamming HE at long distance is easy mode.

 

1 hour ago, arttuperkunas said:

It is IMO genuinely harder to carry games in a ship that is optimised for long range dpm vs a ship with good concealment, radar and the ability to support DDs at caps.

That is also true. What wins games is to deny the enemy vison and mobility, so kill their DDs ASAP and support your own.
Fires, although making damage, are repairable and especially at high tier most ships have a repair consumable.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 15 Stunden, arttuperkunas sagte:

He’s making a funny about he

Ah. Talking about the fast travelling barbeque service.

[Figment]

I enjoy playing the Gouden Leeuw a lot. It's quite okay against other cruisers and the bombers and hydro provide a lot of flushing out options and even work on periscope depth subs for great justice. The AA is impressive against T8 CV, but some TX and T* CVs in particular can break through that AA for insane damagethere's a huge balancing problem there. It's just not very agile, but that's okay.

[Fansadox]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:17 AM, Ubertron_X said:

Omono and great in the same sentence?

 

 

No really, have you tried to compare Omono to old man Myoko? Myoko has better AP pen, better HE pen, better alpha strike, better gun dpm, better torpedo count and torpedo dpm (it can even be argued whether the torpedoes are actually better as you trade range and damage for speed and reaction time), better HP and better armor that can actually be made to work. Omono has some straight lining speed, some gun range, some concelment and some torp range. The only thing that Omono has over Myoko is the ability to stealth torp at way better torp angles if there is no enemy DD or CV around, however even then the torpedoes are so lacking in number and quality that I do not find this a big advantage.

indeed. I like playing Ohnono… but it’s a pretty shitty cruiser tbh compared to others 

[Fansadox]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:37 PM, Seraphice said:

I would say that cruisers are the class that scale the best with tiers.
The higher the tier, the more relevant cruisers become in the power dynamic. At least that is my opinion.

 

To say that they are useless is... both subjectively and objectively not true.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Yeah and that why you should putting them in +2 games…. Makes so much sense! You guys made logic nonexistent in so many ways it’s mind boggling 

[mcboernester]

Horrible T10 cruisers. memetaur, hiv, dm, hindenburg.....

[KhorneFlake]

On 12/7/2022 at 1:09 PM, COPlUM said:

Are you getting your opinions from 2 year old reddit posts? Petro was nerfed every patch since it was released, there's almost nothing left of that poor thing.

Replace Petro with Stalingrad and his Statement is true again.

 

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, KhorneFlake said:

Replace Petro with Stalingrad and his Statement is true again.

 

That is still not right.

[Itwastuesday]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:09 PM, COPlUM said:

Are you getting your opinions from 2 year old reddit posts? Petro was nerfed every patch since it was released, there's almost nothing left of that poor thing.

Still running it in CB. For randoms it's probably rather mediocre since it doesn't do much with it's radar by itself.