Permanent camos and Bonus Packages.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

So... what would you call this issue then, abusive relationship?

Expensive.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Expensive.

 

A word comes to mind, but I am hesitant to use it on this forum.

[Anthoniusii]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

• there are dozens of camos WG throws at me to chose from
• thx to the change, I do not need to use the ugly christmas perma camo anymore and can take something else

 

1 hour ago, AtaIante said:

yep, the separation of bonuses from cammos was so welcome for me too. Those ugly cammos which gave top tier bonuses dont need to make my ship look like crap anymore 

But that is the point. In my Lion i have christmass cammo that includes the bonus package. If i want to buy the comon permanent camo I have to pay 4000 doublons! WHY? Since i have the bonus package the camo alone should cost 200 doublons noo more.

[ColonelPete]

45 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

 

But that is the point. In my Lion i have christmass cammo that includes the bonus package. If i want to buy the comon permanent camo I have to pay 4000 doublons! WHY? Since i have the bonus package the camo alone should cost 200 doublons noo more.

That is the price of a second Tier IX perma camo, .... for years.

I just use one of my thousands of consumable camos.

[Mr_Damager]

If the reward bonus package is the reason why the second camo costs 5000 doublons (not 200), then why don't just let a player delete both the reward camo and the reward bonus package? There is no such an option. Then the camo would cost 200 doublons but there would be no bonus package. Maybe the player doesn't play a lot and it isn't so important to have the bonus package.

That is not a big problem. I just won't research the ship (the tree she is a top of) that already has the first camo.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Anthoniusii said:

 

But that is the point. In my Lion i have christmass cammo that includes the bonus package. If i want to buy the comon permanent camo I have to pay 4000 doublons! WHY? Since i have the bonus package the camo alone should cost 200 doublons noo more.

 

Whenever I play with the Xmas camo on, I swear I can hear WG laughing at me.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 7 Stunden, Anthoniusii sagte:

So do you agree that this is a robery yes or not?

No, because the camos still generally cost the same as always. Except for the first one for a ship that now comes at a reduced price. So if anything they are now cheaper than they were before the change.

 

I will say though that Far Voyages containers are now something where you wish to get anything but a permanent camouflage. And that I feel that camouflages in general are too expensive (both permanent and consumable ones).

 

And if you do get a permanent camo from a reward somewhere that you don't like, that is of course unlucky. But the only change to the old system is that you have to pay for the permanent bonuses either way now, while the price to get another permanent camouflage that you actually like is still exactly the same. And said price for the permanent bonuses alone is slightly less than you would have paid before the change. What has changed is that the worth of gifted permanent camouflages has gone down. But they are for free, so you can't honestly lable this as robbery either.

 

While I do understand the frustration from an emotional point of view, if we were to look at it with only the pure numbers giving relevance, the grievance ends up reading like this: "We have to pay the same price for the same product as always. This is robbery."

[KillStealBoss]

4 hours ago, Anthoniusii said:

 

But that is the point. In my Lion i have christmass cammo that includes the bonus package. If i want to buy the comon permanent camo I have to pay 4000 doublons! WHY? Since i have the bonus package the camo alone should cost 200 doublons noo more.

It was like that before the change too. Should they change it now? Maybe. Or at least charge more for themed secondary camos (like space camo or the savage camo for T10 DDs, those should cost more) but make the regular perma camo be cheap (for the looks only). 

[MidoriFuse]

I want to buy the sci-fi camo on Des Moines but that thing costs 8000 doubloons WITHOUT the bonus package, it's really absurd

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 2 Stunden, MidoriFuse sagte:

I want to buy the sci-fi camo on Des Moines but that thing costs 8000 doubloons WITHOUT the bonus package, it's really absurd

If you already had another camo, as in your case, it would have been the same before the rework. You wouldn't get more bonuses back then either.

 

If you didn't already have a perma camo for Des Moines, the spaceship camo should be at a reduced price of 3200 doubloons.

 

The only difference is if you already have a perma camo but no bonus package. Which is possible due to new Far Voyages containers acquired after the rework or one of the very few special events like the Unsinkable Sam containers (darnit, I nearly wrote Serious Sam there), Swedish DDs camo special sale or some missions giving you one (that would have been two since the rework, one being for a premium ship that has a bonus package anyway). So while not impossible, it would be a rare case.

[MidoriFuse]

4 hours ago, LukkaiCH said:

If you already had another camo, as in your case, it would have been the same before the rework. You wouldn't get more bonuses back then either.

 

If you didn't already have a perma camo for Des Moines, the spaceship camo should be at a reduced price of 3200 doubloons.

 

The only difference is if you already have a perma camo but no bonus package. Which is possible due to new Far Voyages containers acquired after the rework or one of the very few special events like the Unsinkable Sam containers (darnit, I nearly wrote Serious Sam there), Swedish DDs camo special sale or some missions giving you one (that would have been two since the rework, one being for a premium ship that has a bonus package anyway). So while not impossible, it would be a rare case.

after the rework hit, i bought the normal camo for 200 dub, but then i wanted to buy the sci-fi camo too, now it costs 8k dub. It's just too much, the price of every alternative camo should be lowered by the cost of the bonus package 

[________________Morrison]

20 hours ago, Anthoniusii said:

Words.

Seperate camos have always costed extra money.

if you're taking about the one that add 3d addons. especially.

 

If you are lucky or unlucky to get a space or halloween camo. you will have to pay full price.

[________________Morrison]

2 hours ago, MidoriFuse said:

after the rework hit, i bought the normal camo for 200 dub, but then i wanted to buy the sci-fi camo too, now it costs 8k dub. It's just too much, the price of every alternative camo should be lowered by the cost of the bonus package 

they wont do that. everyone else who payed full price for extra camos would riot to get refunds. which despite no real value to doubloons. they wont do. 

 

 

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 13 Stunden, MidoriFuse sagte:

after the rework hit, i bought the normal camo for 200 dub, but then i wanted to buy the sci-fi camo too, now it costs 8k dub. It's just too much, the price of every alternative camo should be lowered by the cost of the bonus package 

Before the rework hit, doing the same would have first cost you 5'000 dub for the normal camo and the bonus package. Then another 8k dub for the sci-fi camo, even though you wouldn't get different or better bonuses from it.

 

So you wouldn't have paid a single dubloon less in the old system to get the same goods.

 

If you want to discuss camo prices in general, that is a viable topic. But it doesn't really have anything to do with the changes that were implemented. Respectively it is, if at all, about a lack of changes.

[MidoriFuse]

3 hours ago, LukkaiCH said:

Before the rework hit, doing the same would have first cost you 5'000 dub for the normal camo and the bonus package. Then another 8k dub for the sci-fi camo, even though you wouldn't get different or better bonuses from it.

 

So you wouldn't have paid a single dubloon less in the old system to get the same goods.

 

If you want to discuss camo prices in general, that is a viable topic. But it doesn't really have anything to do with the changes that were implemented. Respectively it is, if at all, about a lack of changes.

 

But before rework, buying the sci-fi camo would have got me the bonus package too. That means i dont have to pay 8k + 4.5k dub if i decide to buy after the change. 

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 1 Stunde, MidoriFuse sagte:

 

But before rework, buying the sci-fi camo would have got me the bonus package too. That means i dont have to pay 8k + 4.5k dub if i decide to buy after the change. 

Not really if you'd already gotten the normal camo, no. In that case, you'd already have it available. You'd pay the full 8k dubloons, yet only get the looks changed. Not the bonuses.

 

Now of course if you didn't have the normal perma camo bought, buying the sci-fi camo would have also made the bonus package available when mounting it. But then if you don't buy the normal camo now, you do get the sci-fi camo for DM at a 4'800 dubloons discount. As long as it's your first camo on the ship, the total cost of bonus package and camo still is the same 8'000 dubloons.

 

You only pay extra if you get several different permanent camouflages for a ship. And that has always been the case.

[Chysagon]

Its the bling factor.

In Star Trek Online a lot of uniforms are in the games store-no pay ,no get and some are iconic from various films,shows and for different races.

You can also get vanity shields just to change the ships visual look.

 

 

Lots of people go for the visual effects in games just to stand out or be different from the crowd.

So WG decide to monetise it.

 

I have no issue with seperating bonuses from camos in wows, its just down to wether you want a grey ship or some kind of colour/restyling.

Plus the disposable income or dubs to get the visual only effect.

They could add a reason for buying a perma-camo back in say an extra mini buff 1% on Commander XP and 1% on Free XP on top of the ship bonuses or something similar, but i doubt that will happen.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 19 Stunden, Chysagon sagte:

Lots of people go for the visual effects in games just to stand out or be different from the crowd.

So WG decide to monetise it.

Not exactly as if they were the first or most aggressive one about it either.