Permanent camos and Bonus Packages.

[Anthoniusii]

Since the WG separated the permanent camos from the bonus packages a player can simply buy a permanent camo without its bonus package or buy the bonus package without the permanent camo.

So far so good. But there is a paradox in the game.

Premium ships or ships clients bought premium camos automatically got the bonus pacage that included with them.

The Paradox is that we have ships that already have bonus packages and we want to buy another premium camo (if the ship has neither the camo costs from 100 to 200 doublons) but we crash in a wall of huge prices like 2000 doyblons or worst 4000 ones.

Question: Since the ship ALREADY has the bonus package that is the more expensive part why do we have to pay for an alternative premium camo 2000-4000 doublons?

Can we use the bonus package of the alternative premium camo paying AGAIN 2000 doublons to an other same tier ship or NOT?

IF NOT will WG fix the prices to follow the generic rule ?

[Klopirat]

Vor 2 Minuten, Anthoniusii sagte:

Can we use the bonus package of the alternative premium camo paying AGAIN 2000 doublons to an other same tier ship or NOT?

an alternative premium camo does not come with a bonus package...

 

Vor 3 Minuten, Anthoniusii sagte:

IF NOT will WG fix the prices to follow the generic rule ?

the 'generic rule' is that nothing has changed with the rework in this respect...if one bought a second perma camo before the the rework, one paid in fact only for the visuals since the bonuses did not stack...

[hgbn_dk]

You don't need to buy a alternative camo if you think the price is to steep. But would be nice with lower prices on camo's

[Anthoniusii]

Here a visual example. Hood by buying it comes with a premium camo and bonus package. Right?

Then why the rest of premium camos cost 2000 doublons?

 

In the same example Rooke's premium camo without the bonus package costs 100 doublons.

 

 

The question remains. Why -since a ship already has a bonus package- has to pay for ONLY a permanent camo from 2000 to 4000 soublons? That is a creal robbery since the other camos do not offer anything more!

[ColonelPete]

16 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

Question: Since the ship ALREADY has the bonus package that is the more expensive part why do we have to pay for an alternative premium camo 2000-4000 doublons?

Players would then spend less than in the past and WG does not want to lose out on income.

[Anthoniusii]

12 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Players would then spend less than in the past and WG does not want to lose out on income.

So do you agree that this is a robery yes or not?

[Lebedjev]

8 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

So do you agree that this is a robery yes or not?

 

Well i will say yes for some... :v

Like the camo, you can only get with clan/rank token, same price than before, but you will get no bonus. :=

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

So do you agree that this is a robery yes or not?

It would be robbery if WG pointed a weapon at me and forced me to buy the camos.

[mdjmcnally]

There is no link between cammo and bonus package.

 

when you buy a premium ship or a special ship they come with two separate things

 

a permanent cammo that is purely cosmetic

a bonus package

 

now when you buy a tech tree ship then you can buy 

 

bonus package - has no cammo with it

permanent cammo - no economic bonus

 

once a ship has its first permanent cammo then additional permanent cammo cost the 2000 doubloons.

 

is entirely consistent wether is premium/special or a tech tree.   Second perma cammo costs the big doubloons.

 

 

[wot_2016_gunner]

37 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

Question: Since the ship ALREADY has the bonus package that is the more expensive part why do we have to pay for an alternative premium camo 2000-4000 doublons?

 

20 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Players would then spend less than in the past and WG does not want to lose out on income.

 

I mean, in a way players did the same thing before imo because in the old system, if you had a perma camo for a ship and for whatever reason decided to buy another perma camo for it, that most of the times had the same exact bonuses of the standard one attached to it (there were exceptions but still) then what you were essentially paying for was just the different camo, since the bonuses were the same. 

[endlessBoogie]

Vor 39 Minuten, Klopirat sagte:

the 'generic rule' is that nothing has changed with the rework in this respect...if one bought a second perma camo before the the rework, one paid in fact only for the visuals since the bonuses did not stack...

... but you pay full price for a camo if you have a camo on the ship from a mission or distant-voyages container and still have no permabonus attached

 

[Mr_Damager]

You're so  right!

A player could get some permanent camos for free long before the separation. But it doesn't mean that they like those camos.

For example: I got "Transformer Bumblebee or something" permanent camo for Minotaur as a reward before the separation. Now I have both the Bonus package and the camo. But I don't like that "non-historical" camo and I can't delete or sell it (I don't like all the non-historical-looking stuff. I know about the turn off option, but it will only work for me, so I don't like it either). If I want to have the Default camo (which I like), the camo alone (!) will cost 5000 doublons.

More examples: "K117 Anime or something" camo for Yamato, Cosmic camos.

[Mr_Damager]

28 minutes ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

I mean, in a way players did the same thing before imo because in the old system, if you had a perma camo for a ship and for whatever reason decided to buy another perma camo for it, that most of the times had the same exact bonuses of the standard one attached to it (there were exceptions but still) then what you were essentially paying for was just the different camo, since the bonuses were the same. 

Yeah. But you didn't buy reward camos. You got them for free (out of a container, for example) before the separation. You wouldn't buy them if you didn't like them.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

41 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

So do you agree that this is a robery yes or not?

a robbery is not a voluntary decision.

WG is not forcing you to do anything. In this world if you want something you usually have to pay for it. So pay or get out of my store. You want that cammo? that'll normally be 5€ but because you are you and such a beautiful individual it'll be 50€ thanks bye 

[hgbn_dk]

3 minutes ago, Mr_Damager said:

Yeah. But you didn't buy reward camos.

Just sail naked then. Have the same issue with my Ôland have the winter/new year camo but it's plain ugly, but I simply refuse to pay full price so the default, no camo  on this boat. You can turn on some filters and your ship looks equipped with the default perma camo

[Mr_Damager]

14 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

a robbery is not a voluntary decision.

WG is not forcing you to do anything. In this world if you want something you usually have to pay for it. So pay or get out of my store. You want that cammo? that'll normally be 5€ but because you are you and such a beautiful individual it'll be 50€ thanks bye 

Technically it isn't a robbery, of course. WG is not forcing you, of course...

49 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It would be robbery if WG pointed a weapon at me and forced me to buy the camos.

...But they made it very inconvenient for players. Don't you agree?

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Mr_Damager said:

But they made it very inconvenient for players. Don't you agree?

How? I never had any interest to buy a secondary camo for any ship.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

8 minutes ago, Mr_Damager said:

But they made it very inconvenient for players. Don't you agree?

whats inconvenient to buying a cammo? It has a price tag and if you agree with it you buy it and if you dont then to bad, you don't buy it?

 

Where is the inconvenience?

[Mr_Damager]

14 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

How? I never had any interest to buy a secondary camo for any ship.

You don't give a damn how your ship looks, do you? But there are players who have some sort of taste. It is inconvenient for them.

14 hours ago, AtaIante said:

whats inconvenient to buying a cammo? It has a price tag and if you agree with it you buy it and if you dont then to bad, you don't buy it?

Where is the inconvenience?

The camo alone costs the same (5000) as the camo (200) + the bonus package (4800). A player would rather refuse to buy it (nobody is forcing, of course) and play without the camo he/she likes, which is inconvenient for the player. Am I being clear?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Mr_Damager said:

which is inconvenient for the player. Am I being clear?

thats like saying life is inconvenient for me because I don't own my Lamborghini because the company making it is to greedy to sell it for the price of a Volkswagen.

 

If its to expensive then deal with it?

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Mr_Damager said:

You don't give a damn how your ship looks, don't you? But there are players who have some sort of a taste. It is inconvenient for them.

• there are dozens of camos WG throws at me to chose from
• thx to the change, I do not need to use the ugly christmas perma camo anymore and can take something else

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

thx to the change, I do not need to use the ugly christmas perma camo anymore and can take something else

yep, the separation of bonuses from cammos was so welcome for me too. Those ugly cammos which gave top tier bonuses dont need to make my ship look like crap anymore 

[hgbn_dk]

The default perma camo should never cost more than 200 doubloons in my book. A lot of my ships sails naked of same reason. event camo from long before the rework which is eye cancer for me.

[Mr_Damager]

32 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

thats like saying life is inconvenient for me because I don't own my Lamborghini because the company making it is to greedy to sell it for the price of a Volkswagen.

If its to expensive then deal with it?

Wait a minute. You got something wrong. Lamborghini will never cost the same as Volkswagen. The same camo costs either 200 or 5000 doublons depending on what camos you got for free in the past.

29 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

yep, the separation of bonuses from cammos was so welcome for me too. Those ugly cammos which gave top tier bonuses dont need to make my ship look like crap anymore 

Yes. The separation itself is good. The inconvenience is that some camos cost 5000 doublons (not 200) just because you got some reward camos in the past.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

It would be robbery if WG pointed a weapon at me and forced me to buy the camos.

 

So... what would you call this issue then, abusive relationship?