Is playing ranked like this immoral

[COPlUM]

I want the weekly ranked doubloons in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of stress. So obviously I stay in silver where you knock out 18 wins for 400 doubloons without worrying about your rank.
- Queue up in DD, check the team
- Decent/good team => Do my best
- Potato team => Minimal effort
This cuts my grind for 400 doubloons in half because I don't spend 20 minutes on games that are unlikely to result in a win, I could carry some of those games to a win occasionally but it would double my invested time and I'd be contributing to more potatoes failing their way to gold. I can't decide if this is the right thing to do because I'm saving time and gatekeeping potatoes from getting into gold - or if this is immoral because i am hardly trying in about one third of my ranked games. Thoughts?

[MrWastee]

... my advice? go without mm monitor and stop caring, u'll know them by their play ... 3 weeks of casual ranked, like 1x3 kami runs a day (+ a few gremmy losses and 2 bb runs):

 

Fūjin	V	11	81.82% Super Unicum	2 054 Great	52 133	1.45	0
Kamikaze R	V	9	100% Super Unicum	2 141 Unicum	41 325	1.78	0
Kamikaze	V	8	87.5% Super Unicum	1 481 Good	39 685	1.25	0

[Yosha_AtaIante]

The objective is to win so try to win the best you can. Its also the best opportunity to learn how to play in hopeless situations. Those are valuable because they help you improve in high stress situations.

[WildWind84]

1 hour ago, COPlUM said:

I want the weekly ranked doubloons in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of stress. So obviously I stay in silver where you knock out 18 wins for 400 doubloons without worrying about your rank.
- Queue up in DD, check the team
- Decent/good team => Do my best
- Potato team => Minimal effort
This cuts my grind for 400 doubloons in half because I don't spend 20 minutes on games that are unlikely to result in a win, I could carry some of those games to a win occasionally but it would double my invested time and I'd be contributing to more potatoes failing their way to gold. I can't decide if this is the right thing to do because I'm saving time and gatekeeping potatoes from getting into gold - or if this is immoral because i am hardly trying in about one third of my ranked games. Thoughts?

Honestly - just stop carry, turn of mm monitor and play, but don't carry. If they wanna go in gold - for that they also need put much effort. So - what is point of win by someone other carry in team and other players do what? It is still team play (I HOPE!), so if they also wanna win - need to put effort.

Play as a team, but not carry. That is all how I see it should be.

EDIT: Because your's stats, if other team also got someone like you, just focus on him, and on that way you actually help your's team so they can focus and put effort on others enemy with similar stats like theirs. 

[WorthyOpponent]

My personal opinion is, who cares man. Just play how you want to play it. Ranked is also just a joke anyway. It's just randoms with less ships. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Yes, it is immoral. Yes it is prevalent. I also have the same intention, every time, but I never stick to the plan and always end up fighting hard instead of.... let's euphemistically call it "pushing very hard early in the game".

 

And even these crap games can be turned, someone gets a lucky devstrike on a cruiser or a torp on a DD, the unicums staying in the back row to farm for the top spot to not lose stars and so on. It's just much harder.

[Ronchabale]

2 hours ago, COPlUM said:

I want the weekly ranked doubloons in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of stress. So obviously I stay in silver where you knock out 18 wins for 400 doubloons without worrying about your rank.
- Queue up in DD, check the team
- Decent/good team => Do my best
- Potato team => Minimal effort
This cuts my grind for 400 doubloons in half because I don't spend 20 minutes on games that are unlikely to result in a win, I could carry some of those games to a win occasionally but it would double my invested time and I'd be contributing to more potatoes failing their way to gold. I can't decide if this is the right thing to do because I'm saving time and gatekeeping potatoes from getting into gold - or if this is immoral because i am hardly trying in about one third of my ranked games. Thoughts?

Thoughts.. 

That is among the dumbest things I heard in this forum

Get rid of the MM monitor

[Hirohito]

I play(ed) for the win regardless of teams, but then again I played ranked for fun and not just the rewards.
I like ranked for the fact that higher leagues tend to on average have better players and thus better quality games where positioning and timing matters more, and I like the smaller team format with less ships as well (5-8 vs 12).

The playstyle I like the best is lurking around caps and not farm damage from 12+ kms,.

With the lower amount of ships and crossfires in ranked, the influence of that playstyle becomes a lot higher, which is something randoms just doesnt offer.

Shame that WG butchered it completely this season with those junk tiers in bronze/silver, and allowing supershits to play alongside T10s in gold.

[Yedwy]

IMHO I dont have patience for Rank anymore, for dubs or steel regardless, I just cant bring myself to play it for more then couple of matchess in which I usually try to grind out some stuff in the given tier

[kremlyncek]

i don't own kamikaze/fujin/giulio cesare, so I'm not playing the current season

[MoveZig]

Whatever mod shows you player winrates, I've never used it and posts like this make me confident it's been the right choice. You take up a DD slot, you do your best and certainly don't yolo. But yeah, I thought I was largely done with DDs but Ranked pulled me back in. Because every time a DD on my team dooms its entire team by playing recklessly, it triggers a "fine, I'll do it myself then" reaction from me. Not to mention it's the most consistent way to get wins because DDs are by far the most impactful when CVs aren't around, nor radar.

[MarChil]

As long as WG doesn't care about their own game, why should you? Immoral acts can only exsist if there are standards and since WG doesn't have those, you cannot be immoral. Problem solved.

 

[Port_Authority]

3 hours ago, COPlUM said:

Thoughts?

 

Absolutely an ok way to approach ranked. I'm also just there for bronze and silver rewards.
 

3 hours ago, AtaIante said:

The objective is to win so try to win the best you can. Its also the best opportunity to learn how to play in hopeless situations. Those are valuable because they help you improve in high stress situations.

If the game cannot be won, you do the best for yourself.

It's usual to have your stronger flank just wiped out, while you're successfully doing advantage against their stronger flank because of your individual good play, you're getting overran none the less.

There is no point in risking death to trade enemy DD and his (good) cruiser support if your team is so potato they won't be able to capitalize on that. They're probably half death anyway.

What is the objective of your hopeless situation? Standing the ground, or staying alive and trying to do what's realistically possible? In neither you learn much. You shouldn't be overrun in the objective, only lesson there is don't put yourself in that situation, kite and opportunistically do damage in "stoppage time", not an advanced level play too...very basic stuff.

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Let me put one recent silver experience here. It's on that New Dawn small map and we're on southwest spawn.

 

My Schors just decided to full speed to north and got devstruck. The Sinop that devstruck him has below 400 XP in victory. My Rooke died 5 minutes in, by cruiser torps in our cap. He has less XP than a 19:00 devstruck Schors. He got killed by Surrey that I was suppressing from the very beginning, whose position was known and who had to hide between two rocks all the time. My Aigle was useless and his XP is due to a partial cap and some sporadic chip damage around. My Heinrich was alive for the majority of this short match but did nothing apart from damage tanking and dying in the solo charge. Atlanta played fairly well, and fire supported from Atlanta positions.

I did 132k dmg, I don't believe the rest of the team did any more than 20-30% of my dmg combined.
There were 6 vs 6 ships in this game. However on my side there were 2.5 real players and on theirs there were 4.5. So we got overran fast.
There is nothing to extract from this kind of game.
 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I agree with you on most points. But I think you misunderstand me. When I say play to win im not saying to force winning moves but to play as excellently as you can as that is what brings you to a win.

Of course  some games can't be won anymore but regardless always play as if you try to win and practice that. Such opportunities will make you grow the most.

[Port_Authority]

I agree with you too. In principle.

A positive way to look at it is that I had a good brawl against impossible odds and made most out of it. A pragmatist in me feels that I wasn't there for that, and if I needed a brawl I'd play with my clan mates. And they know how to, unlike these red team BBs above.

Some nights I prefer WV because I fill the T6 slot, and by definition the line plays by always carefully maintaining the most damage and most game impact position. So there is no other way to play it than for the win.
DD (OP's scenario) is entirely another problem tho. There are choices how to play it and there is the selfish choice which might be correct if an experienced player decides the game is over.
 

[brodie007]

4 hours ago, COPlUM said:

I want the weekly ranked doubloons in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of stress. So obviously I stay in silver where you knock out 18 wins for 400 doubloons without worrying about your rank.

this is crazy as even your first comment is wrong, if you cared about ranked efficiency you would grind to gold, as for the same first 18 wins you get 200 more steel and 400 more dubs 

[COPlUM]

9 minutes ago, brodie007 said:

if you cared about ranked efficiency you would grind to gold, as for the same first 18 wins you get 200 more steel and 400 more dubs 

I just now noticed you get 800 doubloons for doing the same thing in gold, I thought it was 600. Why does the icon for 200 doubloons at 18 wins not look like a pile of doubloons, it looks like a pile of doubloons everywhere else. Fine I'll go to gold then.

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, COPlUM said:

I want the weekly ranked doubloons in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of stress. So obviously I stay in silver where you knock out 18 wins for 400 doubloons without worrying about your rank.
- Queue up in DD, check the team
- Decent/good team => Do my best
- Potato team => Minimal effort
This cuts my grind for 400 doubloons in half because I don't spend 20 minutes on games that are unlikely to result in a win, I could carry some of those games to a win occasionally but it would double my invested time and I'd be contributing to more potatoes failing their way to gold. I can't decide if this is the right thing to do because I'm saving time and gatekeeping potatoes from getting into gold - or if this is immoral because i am hardly trying in about one third of my ranked games. Thoughts?

Thinking like that is the reason we see more onesided matches...

[22cm]

Not only immoral, but also illegal.

[Northern_Nightowl]

Vor 5 Stunden, kremlyncek sagte:

i don't own kamikaze/fujin/giulio cesare, so I'm not playing the current season

Try Texas, ideally paired with Halsey, if you have. As long as you're aware of the somewhat longer reload and use the turret rotation commander skill, you can often outgun and outlast Giulio Cesares and Pyotr Velikis while using your IMHO decent manoeuvrability to counter the Kamikazes.

That worked well for me.

 

Rehards, Nightowl

[Gnirf]

7 hours ago, Hirohito said:

I play(ed) for the win regardless of teams, but then again I played ranked for fun and not just the rewards.
I like ranked for the fact that higher leagues tend to on average have better players and thus better quality games where positioning and timing matters more, and I like the smaller team format with less ships as well (5-8 vs 12).

The playstyle I like the best is lurking around caps and not farm damage from 12+ kms,.

With the lower amount of ships and crossfires in ranked, the influence of that playstyle becomes a lot higher, which is something randoms just doesnt offer.

Shame that WG butchered it completely this season with those junk tiers in bronze/silver, and allowing supershits to play alongside T10s in gold.

I think on the other hand that Ranked shoud vary in tiers between seasons, especially at silcer /bronze level. It gives variety that not everything is in T10. F.e. T5 now in bronze nu subs no CV = Paradise

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

 

 

10 hours ago, COPlUM said:

I want the weekly ranked doubloons in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of stress. So obviously I stay in silver where you knock out 18 wins for 400 doubloons without worrying about your rank.
- Queue up in DD, check the team
- Decent/good team => Do my best
- Potato team => Minimal effort
This cuts my grind for 400 doubloons in half because I don't spend 20 minutes on games that are unlikely to result in a win, I could carry some of those games to a win occasionally but it would double my invested time and I'd be contributing to more potatoes failing their way to gold. I can't decide if this is the right thing to do because I'm saving time and gatekeeping potatoes from getting into gold - or if this is immoral because i am hardly trying in about one third of my ranked games. Thoughts?

Sounds like an old lady min maxing collecting coupons. Stop playing something you apparantly want to get over and done with.

[Viridem]

So you're throwing games on purpose when you think they'd take too much effort to carry?

It's stupid, toxic and possibly against the TOS.

 

Remember that you play with 13 other players in ranked. It's not all about you.

Play Minecraft if you only want to care about yourself.

(It's actually very good. You should try the Vault Hunters mod if you already have some experience, it's pretty neat!)

[COPlUM]

5 hours ago, Viridem said:

So you're throwing games on purpose when you think they'd take too much effort to carry?

It's stupid, toxic and possibly against the TOS.

Not throwing but being careless, i.e have as much impact as possible in a short time to get out of there asap, typically still top the team even if I was only there for 2 minutes because I traded with some other DD. It's a time management thing, u can get a lot more wins in an afternoon if you 'quick play' the matches where your team is all potatoes. I don't do it if there's even one decent player on the team, he deserves me trying. But if it's 5 potatoes, why should I waste 20 minutes to give them a 5% chance of winning, they have been playing for years and haven't spent one minute trying to win a single game.

[Hirohito]

13 hours ago, Gnirf said:

I think on the other hand that Ranked shoud vary in tiers between seasons, especially at silcer /bronze level. It gives variety that not everything is in T10. F.e. T5 now in bronze nu subs no CV = Paradise

That's fine, as long as they dont include superships into T10 MM.
Also I detest T7 and dont understand why WG seems to be so fond of running this tier for ranked so often.