Research bureau reseting with PVE modes only in mind.

[hgbn_dk]

Been thinking about how to reset lines and redoing them in PVE modes only in an somewhat effective manner. So it actual becomes fun to do it and not see it a endless grind, when facing multiple resets of lines.

The reason for my thinking is I want to play my low and mid tier ships for a reason, not just farming free XP in ops and do the reset and just free XP the whole line, as have been my preferred method earlier. And I like to play real world built ships over fantasy lines and I like to play random operations as well. So what to do?

 

Personally I have chosen 3 lines to be my "regrind" lines: the IJN heavy cruiser, RN light cruiser and the USN heavy cruiser line. Why because in those three lines there is only one paper ship from Tier I- VIII which covers the range of my playability. Can be I'm wrong but it seems like you're getting more base XP in cruisers for the same result vs BB, DD and CV's. Think my preferred line is going to be the IJN it ticks all boxes for HE, AP and Torpedo damage.

 

My plan to is to play T-II to T-V and T-VI in parts in co-op mode using green boosters in all four slots and the T-VI to T-VIII in random operations using blue boosters in all 4 slots as supplies allow. T-IX is going to be skipped entirely and be free XP.ed after one co-op game to claim the reward. T-IX can be done in co-op in a six hour sitting using blue ship XP boosters if deemed necessary. I don't plan to do it since T-IX in these lines are fantasy paper ships.

 

Have been doing some tests after my previous thread about the viability of doing entire lines T-I - X in co-op.  I can with ease do a reset once a week with this solution. My thinking here is to do more tasks in one go.

Let's say there is weekly missions for early access or dock yard events. If I reset the line the evening before said missions are available. Then it literally takes a couple of hours leveling T-II to IV in co-op Having the T-V ready to start playing through the missions I can't complete in random operations. Sometimes I continue in co-op with the T-VI until all missions non doable in ops is completed. The rest is completed in ops. This way weekly missions are being completed in what I see as a fun way to do it. T-III to T-V games is fun in co-op not uncommon to get more than three kills in a match without kill stealing anything. The pace is fast and full of action. Since I'm trying to max out any benefit of a line redo, I have prepared the IJN cruiser line with 21 points commanders from T.V to T-VIII With Yamamoto on Myoko and a light cruiser build on Mogami. My plan is to prepare RN and USN cruisers in a similar way. If I'm going to rest lines I might as well score the commander XP for the laborious parts as Free commander XP.

 

 

[159Hunter]

PAN Asian cruisers do pretty well in operations. If I'd ever do such a reset, I'd prolly choose them.

[Gnirf]

Concur with 159hunter PA cruisers is a good line playwise but it s paper.

US Cruisers I would say are less viable as there are slow firing with no torps. Not Coop friendly but maybe Operations OK (have not used them there) (lack of torp serilous disadvantage

IJN Cruiser torp arcs bad in coop, I would say RN is a good choice, RU OK (old lighter tree), German also. French probably OK but fewer torps, not the alpha strike for a battleship.

I torp point blank so less range on torps is not so important.

As you have only mentioned cruiser lines I will only comment these. NL Line less coop friendly.

[hgbn_dk]

10 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

Concur with 159hunter PA cruisers is a good line playwise but it s paper.

US Cruisers I would say are less viable as there are slow firing with no torps. Not Coop friendly but maybe Operations OK (have not used them there) (lack of torp serilous disadvantage

IJN Cruiser torp arcs bad in coop, I would say RN is a good choice, RU OK (old lighter tree), German also. French probably OK but fewer torps, not the alpha strike for a battleship.

I torp point blank so less range on torps is not so important.

As you have only mentioned cruiser lines I will only comment these. NL Line less coop friendly.

I have only chosen cruisers because of their performance in Random operations. Think BB's and DD's are to inconsistent in some ops to be fun to play through a line. CV's are fun in operations, but maybe not for "grinding" a whole line. Did a test with the French cruiser line, but I wasn't impressed with my own performance in them. Same tried a test with Pan Europe DD's however only in co-op mode didn't dare entering ops with them. In my view Skåne completely ruins this line potential to be fun to play multiple times even in co-op, I like the others though.

[Gnirf]

35 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

I have only chosen cruisers because of their performance in Random operations. Think BB's and DD's are to inconsistent in some ops to be fun to play through a line. CV's are fun in operations, but maybe not for "grinding" a whole line. Did a test with the French cruiser line, but I wasn't impressed with my own performance in them. Same tried a test with Pan Europe DD's however only in co-op mode didn't dare entering ops with them. In my view Skåne completely ruins this line potential to be fun to play multiple times even in co-op, I like the others though.

OK, I think that mine suggestions then work fine, mine take is that the best are fast firing guns preferably HE as they break the DDs modules (missions) better than AP and also you try to focus enemy DD before the other ships in your opposite spawn, gives a lot of XP , torps you need for alpha against BBs or Cruisers so therefor I do my choice like that.

[Mr_Damager]

Operations are not as good for grinding as they were before. They were reworked after the Halloween event. Players lose more often than before, therefore farm less XP than before (but almost the same amount of time is spent). It will take A LOT of time to collect enough research points to get, let's say, Ohio. So, I don't think it's such a good idea to spend a lot of time trying to grind XP manually. It is boring, especially grinding in PVE modes, like some kind of a job. I would prefer to pay for it (buying Free XP) if I were both rich and very interested.

[hgbn_dk]

8 hours ago, Mr_Damager said:

Operations are not as good for grinding as they were before. They were reworked after the Halloween event. Players lose more often than before, therefore farm less XP than before (but almost the same amount of time is spent). It will take A LOT of time to collect enough research points to get, let's say, Ohio. So, I don't think it's such a good idea to spend a lot of time trying to grind XP manually. It is boring, especially grinding in PVE modes, like some kind of a job. I would prefer to pay for it (buying Free XP) if I were both rich and very interested.

Agreed, but even a loss gives you more XP than you'll get in co-op. Currently there is 3 ships left to get for me in the research bureau. that,s 12 more resets. But I won't reset any lines before I have knocked off the snowflakes next patch. witch all will be done in operations.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

17 hours ago, hgbn_dk said:

So what to do?

If you value your sanity, use free exp. Use the Harugumo line for best RB/free exp value, it's about 750k free exp a pop.

Reset it whenever the 2x bonus comes up, to stack the multiplier.

 

On the other hand, if you play bot games for fun... weelllll, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[hgbn_dk]

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

If you value your sanity, use free exp. Use the Harugumo line for best RB/free exp value, it's about 750k free exp a pop.

Reset it whenever the 2x bonus comes up, to stack the multiplier.

 

On the other hand, if you play bot games for fun... weelllll, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Well that was the usual procedure I used in the past. My goal is to make it not feeling being a grind, but make it a enjoyable journey playing all the different Tiers I enjoy most. Otherwise I would end up playing my premium ships most of the time. It can be kind of boring in the long run. Plus when you already have all researchable lines in the tech tree except the subs, which will never be done in my case. You'll need some purpose to play. Bot action games is more fun in my view than the passive long range PVP meta.

[DreadArchangel]

I done it with the RN heavy cruiser line

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

18 hours ago, hgbn_dk said:

Bot action games is more fun in my view than the passive long range PVP meta.

If everyone else keeps their distance, you are free to knife fight without interference.

[hgbn_dk]

On 12/3/2022 at 4:02 AM, Mr_Damager said:

Operations are not as good for grinding as they were before. They were reworked after the Halloween event. Players lose more often than before, therefore farm less XP than before (but almost the same amount of time is spent). It will take A LOT of time to collect enough research points to get, let's say, Ohio. So, I don't think it's such a good idea to spend a lot of time trying to grind XP manually. It is boring, especially grinding in PVE modes, like some kind of a job. I would prefer to pay for it (buying Free XP) if I were both rich and very interested.

Did a reset of IJN cruiser yesterday. Just got Mogami again, it literally took me 6 games in random ops with Myoko with blue boosters to level that ship, 2 games for the modules and 4 to clear the XP for Mogami

 

[Gnirf]

1 hour ago, hgbn_dk said:

Did a reset of IJN cruiser yesterday. Just got Mogami again, it literally took me 6 games in random ops with Myoko with blue boosters to level that ship, 2 games for the modules and 4 to clear the XP for Mogami

 

It looks great, well used flags!

 

So when you have relearned the operations (which I have to do), what win rate is to be expected in random operations, and roughly how many stars. Now I am talking as a random player (55% WR) that does not division, so i can not adapt the ship directly, I will probably start the journey in Bayard  or Mainz as cruisers or maybe Alabama Massachusetts, perhaps Constellation (torps) and lenin. That is because these are the captains I grind.

 

Do we talk about 75 % WR or higher?

 

I played only Narai, but were quite fond of Hermes and Cherry Blossom, the others I did ignore and have to relearn. When i played Narai  with ship choice, the WR was around 95-98%, seldom below 4 stars. Sadly I did not play more or less until the last 2 times before the new style of random operations were introduced. 

[hgbn_dk]

26 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

It looks great, well used flags!

 

So when you have relearned the operations (which I have to do), what win rate is to be expected in random operations, and roughly how many stars. Now I am talking as a random player (55% WR) that does not division, so i can not adapt the ship directly, I will probably start the journey in Bayard  or Mainz as cruisers or maybe Alabama Massachusetts, perhaps Constellation (torps) and lenin. That is because these are the captains I grind.

 

Do we talk about 75 % WR or higher?

 

I played only Narai, but were quite fond of Hermes and Cherry Blossom, the others I did ignore and have to relearn. When i played Narai  with ship choice, the WR was around 95-98%, seldom below 4 stars. Sadly I did not play more or less until the last 2 times before the new style of random operations were introduced. 

It can be a hit or mis. Some days RNG just say no and you end up losing 5 in a row. Played 15 random ops today all solo, lost one but is number 1 on the list in 90% of games played. You can carry a lot in these even if your team kinda sucks and prevail. I would say 70- 80 win rate for me overall in ops after the rework. Your mileage might wary. Only plays solo.

[hgbn_dk]

38 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

It looks great, well used flags!

 

So when you have relearned the operations (which I have to do), what win rate is to be expected in random operations, and roughly how many stars. Now I am talking as a random player (55% WR) that does not division, so i can not adapt the ship directly, I will probably start the journey in Bayard  or Mainz as cruisers or maybe Alabama Massachusetts, perhaps Constellation (torps) and lenin. That is because these are the captains I grind.

 

Do we talk about 75 % WR or higher?

 

I played only Narai, but were quite fond of Hermes and Cherry Blossom, the others I did ignore and have to relearn. When i played Narai  with ship choice, the WR was around 95-98%, seldom below 4 stars. Sadly I did not play more or less until the last 2 times before the new style of random operations were introduced. 

Both Bayard and Mainz is excellent choices for ops. I will say some of operations have changes in difficultly since the rework. New port is one of the better since the rework and Aegis are much harder now. 

[Gnirf]

53 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

Both Bayard and Mainz is excellent choices for ops. I will say some of operations have changes in difficultly since the rework. New port is one of the better since the rework and Aegis are much harder now. 

thx for input 

[hgbn_dk]

Done with the line I reset yesterday only thing I free XPed was Ibuki. So two days for an entire line played minus the Tier IX not bad. End result was 19 games in random ops to get trough T-VI-VIII including getting all upgrades

[Fatal_Ramses]

I reset the Pan-Asian DD line some time ago. I played the Fushun in ranked, but grinded Gadjah Mada an Hsienyang in operations.

These numbers were reached by using the blue economy boosters.

Now I'm stuck at Chung Mu (excellent boat), cause IX is kind of effed cause of Tier XI ships.