Pan-Asian BB proposal

[TheKaramelka]

Well, in general, Sun Yat-Sen will be in the game soon, so let's pretend that there will be a branch of Pan-Asia battleships

Tech tree features:

• Long range snipers with excellent sigma and separate shell dispersion calculation;
• Weak armor, but good derectible, but poor mobility, and few hit points;
• There are few guns and the caliber is not high, but excellent reloading;
• Instead of 4 Repair party only 3;

Representatives:

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Pan-Asian batleship Lánzhōu, Tier VII:

One of variant battleship project equipped with 356 mm guns was developed simultaneously with a larger Type A battleship. The main purpose of the ship was to oppose enemy cruisers and Scharnhorst-class battleships.

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Displacement: 30900 t

Plating: 16 mm

Deck: 16 mm

Armor belt: 150 mm

Length: 243 m

Hit points: 52 900

Torpedo protection: 12%

Main armament

3х2 356 mm/54 Model 1938

Reload time: 18,9 sec

Firing range: 21,7 km

180 degree turn time: 45 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 356 mm HE Model 1938

     Projectile weight: 750 kg

     Max damage: 5300

     Fire Chance: 41%

     Armor penetration: 59 mm

     HE initial velocity: 895 m/s

AP – 356 mm AP Model 1938

     Projectile weight: 750 kg

     Max damage: 11250

     AP initial velocity: 895 m/s

Secondary Armament

8x2 130/55 B-2-U

      Reload time: 5 sec

      Max Damage: 1 900

      Fire Chance: 8%

      Armor penetration: 22 mm

      Firing range: 5,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 900 m/s

AA defense:

8x2 130/55 B-2-U

8x4 37 mm 46-K

6x1 20 mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 29 kts

Turning circle radius: 1000 m

Rudder shift time: 14,8 sec

Surface detectability: 12,8 km

Air detectability: 9,4 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Repair Party

Pan-Asian batleship Qīngdǎo, Tier VIII:

One of the preliminary versions of the King George V-class ships armed with 6 381 mm main battery guns.

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Displacement: 35000 t

Plating: 19 mm

Deck: 19 mm

Armor belt: 300 mm

Length: 245,5 m

Hit points: 60 500

Torpedo protection: 15%

Main armament

3х2 381 mm/45 Mk.VII

Reload time: 20 sec

Firing range: 23,1 km

180 degree turn time: 45 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 381 mm HE Mk VIIIc

     Projectile weight: 879 kg

     Max damage: 5350

     Fire Chance: 34%

     Armor penetration: 64 mm

     HE initial velocity: 8836 m/s

AP – 381 mm AP Mk XIIIa 

     Projectile weight: 879 kg

     Max damage: 11900

     AP initial velocity: 836 m/s

Secondary Armament

8x2 133 mm/50 QF Mk.I

      Reload time: 6,7 sec

      Max Damage: 1 900

      Fire Chance: 8%

      Armor penetration: 22 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 792 m/s

AA defense:

8x2 133 mm/50 QF Mk.I

4x6 40 mm/56 OQF Mk.IX 

8x2 40 mm/56 OQF Mk.XI 

22x2 20 mm Oerlikon Mk.I

Maximum speed: 29 kts

Turning circle radius: 790 m

Rudder shift time: 15 sec

Surface detectability: 14 km

Air detectability: 11 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Repair Party

Slot 3 - Defensive AA Fire

Pan-Asian batleship Nánjīng, Tier IX:

One of the variant Lion-project batleship, armed with 6 406 mm guns.

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Displacement: 46200 t

Plating: 25 mm

Deck: 25 mm

Armor belt: 381 mm

Length: 239,3 m

Hit points: 67 900

Torpedo protection: 22%

Main armament

3х2 406 mm/45 Mk.II

Reload time: 19 sec

Firing range: 22,9 km

180 degree turn time: 45 sec

Sigma: 2,05

HE – 406 mm HE Mk IIa 

     Projectile weight: 929 kg

     Max damage: 5950

     Fire Chance: 45%

     Armor penetration: 68 mm

     HE initial velocity: 792 m/s

AP – 406 mm AP Mk III 

     Projectile weight: 1080 kg

     Max damage: 12600

     AP initial velocity: 747 m/s

Secondary Armament

8x2 133 mm/50 QF Mk.I

      Reload time: 6,7 sec

      Max Damage: 1 900

      Fire Chance: 8%

      Armor penetration: 22 mm

      Firing range: 7 km

      HE initial velocity: 792 m/s

AA defense:

8x2 133 mm/50 QF Mk.I

6х2 40 mm/56 OQF Mk.X

4х1 40 mm/56 OQF Mk.III

10х6 40 mm/56 OQF Mk.IX

16х1 20 mm Oerlikon Mk.I

Maximum speed: 29,5 kts

Turning circle radius: 830 m

Rudder shift time: 15,8 sec

Surface detectability: 14,8 km

Air detectability: 11,8 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Repair Party

Slot 3 - Defensive AA Fire

Pan-Asian batleship Shànghǎi, Tier X:

One of the variants of the Montana-class battleships, with reduced armament in the amount of 8 406 mm guns, but with strong air defense developed already at the end of the war;

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Displacement: 63221 t

Plating: 25 mm

Deck: 25 mm

Armor belt: 381 mm

Length: 280,8 m

Hit points: 71 500

Torpedo protection: 22%

Main armament

4х2 406 mm/50 Mk.7

Reload time: 24,7 sec

Firing range: 24,4 km

180 degree turn time: 45 sec

Sigma: 2,05

HE – 406 mm HE/HC Mk13

     Projectile weight: 862 kg

     Max damage: 5700

     Fire Chance: 36%

     Armor penetration: 68 mm

     HE initial velocity: 820 m/s

AP – 406 mm AP Mk8

     Projectile weight: 1225 kg

     Max damage: 13500

     AP initial velocity: 762 m/s

Secondary Armament

10х2 127 mm/54 Mk.16

      Reload time: 4 sec

      Max Damage: 1 800

      Fire Chance: 9%

      Armor penetration: 21 mm

      Firing range: 7,3 km

      HE initial velocity: 707 m/s

AA defense:

10х2 127 mm/54 Mk.16

18х2 76,2/50 Mk.33

38х1 20 mm Oerlikon Mk.I

Maximum speed: 29 kts

Turning circle radius: 950 m

Rudder shift time: 17,2 sec

Surface detectability: 13,4 km

Air detectability: 11,7 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Repair Party

Slot 3 - Defensive AA Fire

 

If you don't like my posts, PLEASE don't comment them, don't bring yourself and me into conflict.

This is my personal proposal and not the fact that ships will ever appear in the game or my concept will be taken into attention!

 Thank you for your attention!

[Hirohito]

24 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

If you don't like my posts, PLEASE don't comment them

Dude, this is a forum, not a personal blog.

You've been spamming the forum several times a week with your pet project here.

If we have to endure that, you have to endure the odd negative comment.

[TheKaramelka]

3 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Dude, this is a forum, not a personal blog.

You've been spamming the forum several times a week with your pet project here.

If we have to endure that, you have to endure the odd negative comment.

The question then is why do they write non-constructive criticism that a particular person does not like something? And at the same time, he will try hard to prove that personally my proposal, which I wanted to make, is not correct, and it should not be like that, and I must stop it. This infringement of the rights on the forum about the publication of posts and also creates a conflict that is also prohibited on the forum. Question - is it necessary? Not? Then I immediately warn if a person does not like my posts - let him not comment so as not to create a similar situation, do you still have questions?

[Gnirf]

37 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

The question then is why do they write non-constructive criticism that a particular person does not like something? And at the same time, he will try hard to prove that personally my proposal, which I wanted to make, is not correct, and it should not be like that, and I must stop it. This infringement of the rights on the forum about the publication of posts and also creates a conflict that is also prohibited on the forum. Question - is it necessary? Not? Then I immediately warn if a person does not like my posts - let him not comment so as not to create a similar situation, do you still have questions?

Seriously, if you do personal suggestions you must expect critics, at least in the form of that you lack relevant background, why have you chosen these designs that you show, are they export designs from reality export offerings or what or is it just imagination? I suspect the latter as I a have a lot of knowledge but can not rule out the prolific design teams in Britain f.e..

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I take these would be ROC vessels then?...

[KillStealBoss]

48 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

The question then is why do they write non-constructive criticism that a particular person does not like something? And at the same time, he will try hard to prove that personally my proposal, which I wanted to make, is not correct, and it should not be like that, and I must stop it. This infringement of the rights on the forum about the publication of posts and also creates a conflict that is also prohibited on the forum. Question - is it necessary? Not? Then I immediately warn if a person does not like my posts - let him not comment so as not to create a similar situation, do you still have questions?

You could also include Nagato as "what if" it wasn't used in Bikini atoll tests and was fixed for the RoC Navy? Also Warspite. I wouldn't be seeing any Ohio here, doubtful if the Americans would sell their top dog ship to any Asian country. Maybe NC? 

The T10 would be some project, though hard to tell from which country. Maybe.... Republique?

[TheKaramelka]

54 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

Seriously, if you do personal suggestions you must expect critics, at least in the form of that you lack relevant background, why have you chosen these designs that you show, are they export designs from reality export offerings or what or is it just imagination? I suspect the latter as I a have a lot of knowledge but can not rule out the prolific design teams in Britain f.e..

Well, firstly, if you have not read, then it is clear why such a judgment. I pointed out that I do not support NOT constructive criticism, like if they write "I don't like it this way", "it shouldn't be like that because I don't want it" and so on. If there is constructive and logical criticism that contains specifics, please, as, for example, in the last post they expressed an opinion regarding the radar. Secondly, regarding the ships, do you think Rahmat, Jinan, Dalian, Sun Yat-Sen and others are especially historical? Here are the ships of the same nations that I presented: the USSR, Britain and the USA.

46 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said:

You could also include Nagato as "what if" it wasn't used in Bikini atoll tests and was fixed for the RoC Navy? Also Warspite. I wouldn't be seeing any Ohio here, doubtful if the Americans would sell their top dog ship to any Asian country. Maybe NC? 

The T10 would be some project, though hard to tell from which country. Maybe.... Republique?

Idk about french ships for Asia first, second, dont forget that Montana - its project, like Ohio. This is like a Ohio one variant of Montana, with 8 406 mm gun.

[KillStealBoss]

29 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

Well, firstly, if you have not read, then it is clear why such a judgment. I pointed out that I do not support NOT constructive criticism, like if they write "I don't like it this way", "it shouldn't be like that because I don't want it" and so on. If there is constructive and logical criticism that contains specifics, please, as, for example, in the last post they expressed an opinion regarding the radar. Secondly, regarding the ships, do you think Rahmat, Jinan, Dalian, Sun Yat-Sen and others are especially historical? Here are the ships of the same nations that I presented: the USSR, Britain and the USA.

Idk about french ships for Asia first, second, dont forget that Montana - its project, like Ohio. This is like a Ohio one variant of Montana, with 8 406 mm gun.

Yes I know the guns are 406mm but the Americans kept the Iowa class being a fresh BB after WW2 and if they built a Montana (or any variant of it) I would doubt they would sell it. They would deem it as “too powerful” for other nation to have it, and if RoC Navy would have the money and ordered it - the U.S. Congress would block it rather fast. 

Same with aircraft carriers btw. The USN carriers were not sold to other nations, except the light carriers like Saipan and Independence class. They preferred to scrap them rather than sell them. 

 

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, KillStealBoss said:

Also Warspite.

Why not HMS Malaya? She flew the naval ensign of the Federated Malay States at the Battle of Jutland, it would hardly be insulting to start the line at Tier V with a WW1 variant QE, either. Considerably less problematic than allocating an IJN ship to the line.....

[KillStealBoss]

7 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Why not HMS Malaya? She flew the naval ensign of the Federated Malay States at the Battle of Jutland, it would hardly be insulting to start the line at Tier V with a WW1 variant QE, either. Considerably less problematic than allocating an IJN ship to the line.....

Well the Nagato was the only IJN BB that survived, yes it was damaged but it could be repaired and handed for RoC Navy as war reparations. Just like Italian BB was given to USSR to be called Novorossyisk. Yes HMS Malaya is a good idea too but as a T6 maybe, the Nagato could be used as T8. Cause having 6 guns 380mm.... that’s another Gneisenau, and on T8.... Upgraded T8 Nagato would be better there.

[invicta2012]

23 minutes ago, KillStealBoss said:

Just like Italian BB was given to USSR to be called Novorossyisk

True enough. Or a Revenge class BB was given to the USSR as Arkhangelsk, the RN was giving those things away at the end of the war..... why not a '45 era Revenge donated to the RoC as a Coastal Defence ship? 

 

There's no need for reality in this line, tbh - WG have already given us Wujing and Sanzang. So why not follow through on the 15 inch gun calibre...

 

V - Malaya WW1 type

VI - Resolution type

VII - Caracciolo type

VIII - Vittorio Veneto type

IX - Gascogne / Jean Bart type

X - Sovestky Soyuz type 

 

All Armed with 381mm guns of various types, with a relatively rapid rate of fire decreasing as the line progresses (around 24s at Tier X, based on 3 x 3 guns). 

 

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, invicta2012 said:

True enough. Or a Revenge class BB was given to the USSR as Arkhangelsk, the RN was giving those things away at the end of the war..... why not a '45 era Revenge donated to the RoC as a Coastal Defence ship? 

 

There's no need for reality in this line, tbh - WG have already given us Wujing and Sanzang. So why not follow through on the 15 inch gun calibre...

 

V - Malaya WW1 type

VI - Resolution type

VII - Caracciolo type

VIII - Vittorio Veneto type

IX - Gascogne / Jean Bart type

X - Sovestky Soyuz type 

 

All Armed with 381mm guns of various types, with a relatively rapid rate of fire decreasing as the line progresses (around 24s at Tier X, based on 3 x 3 guns). 

 

Well we have Bajie with 410mm that came before Wujing, also on T9. I just thought about an upgraded post war version of Nagato. Also Soyuz is 406mm not 380. 

[invicta2012]

1 minute ago, KillStealBoss said:

Also Soyuz is 406mm not 380. 

True, but the idea is that this isn't an analogue of Soyuz..... it's a fast firing BB which needs good aim to be effective and good timing not to get whacked by showing too much broadside, which it has to risk to get that rear turret into play. The same with the Gascogne type at Tier IX. Lower gun calibre, slightly exaggerated penetration, quite vulnerable hull. 

[Hirohito]

1 hour ago, TheKaramelka said:

I pointed out that I do not support NOT constructive criticism, like if they write "I don't like it this way", "it shouldn't be like that because I don't want it" and so on.

Who cares what you support or not, this is a forum, not your personal blog.
If you can't handle opposing opinions, start writing your own personal blog instead.

[TheKaramelka]

59 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Who cares what you support or not, this is a forum, not your personal blog.
If you can't handle opposing opinions, start writing your own personal blog instead.

Okay, what is your constructiveness? The fact that I do not want to incite conflict suitations, because of non-constructive criticism, which only states what people want to see for themselves, and not what the other person offers? In that case, why comment on it? Can you explain please? What is the logic to say what a person likes and what not to like while stubbornly proving his case and that the person who made the offer should bend over and say "yes" to someone else's opinion? If you do not give a detailed answer, what is the logic of persuading a person by creating a conflict situation, I will regard this as a conclusion to a conflict situation and will be forced to file a complaint against your message

[TheKaramelka]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

True enough. Or a Revenge class BB was given to the USSR as Arkhangelsk, the RN was giving those things away at the end of the war..... why not a '45 era Revenge donated to the RoC as a Coastal Defence ship? 

 

There's no need for reality in this line, tbh - WG have already given us Wujing and Sanzang. So why not follow through on the 15 inch gun calibre...

 

V - Malaya WW1 type

VI - Resolution type

VII - Caracciolo type

VIII - Vittorio Veneto type

IX - Gascogne / Jean Bart type

X - Sovestky Soyuz type 

 

All Armed with 381mm guns of various types, with a relatively rapid rate of fire decreasing as the line progresses (around 24s at Tier X, based on 3 x 3 guns). 

 

Regarding all these ships - again, I have no idea if they could be in Asia (French and Italian in particular). As for Nagato, it's very possible that Fenyang was obtained in this way. As for HMS Malaya, there would definitely have to be a post-war modification, since after the First World War the ship still served in Britain, if it were transferred, it would rather be to remove the excess displacement for battleships presumably of the Lion type (for example)

[invicta2012]

5 minutes ago, TheKaramelka said:

As for HMS Malaya, there would definitely have to be a post-war modification, since after the First World War the ship still served in Britain,

Malaya was never modified. But she did go into battle flying the flag of the Federation of Malay States, which would make her the only battleship ever to go into combat flying the flag of a Southern Asian state. (The FMS flag came about as a result of a treaty, and so is as relevant to that nation as New Zealand's)

[TheKaramelka]

13 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Malaya was never modified. But she did go into battle flying the flag of the Federation of Malay States, which would make her the only battleship ever to go into combat flying the flag of a Southern Asian state. (The FMS flag came about as a result of a treaty, and so is as relevant to that nation as New Zealand's)

Well, still, judging by the photo, there was some kind of modernization.

1915:

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1937:

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[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, Hirohito said:

Who cares what you support or not, this is a forum, not your personal blog.
If you can't handle opposing opinions, start writing your own personal blog instead.

The content isn't irrelevant and it's not a spam since he's doing one thread per day not all at once. So idk but for me it's ok. Better than some whiny threads of people complaining about things like MM or CVs everyday. Especially the MM threads making some dumb conspiracy theories about how much the game hates him cause he's free to play, boring AF.

As you see we were discussing here and it was a good conversation between me and @invicta2012and the OP too. 

[________________Morrison]

I like this idea (despite being against Snipers, and playing slava mid -close range)
But weak armor, low hp and only 3 heals isn't that a huge chunk out out of their survivability?

 

 

[Kruzenstern]

Well at least this is somewhat realistic, considering it is 100% copy-paste ships which WG likes very much.