Errm..help, pretty please

[coolrunings_99]

Hello all, some help or hints from resident better players would be much obliged.

Its bout them german alt tech tree DDs. GJMaerker is done, but I am in a sea of pain with Felix Schultz. Its not a ship, its the brickest of bricks, but the war part of is quite nice, the guns and accuracy. Trying to do anything remotely resembling DD stuff near caps results in thousand deaths. With Angela I could get away with it sometimes, with Felix, not once. What to do and how, one does take up a DD spot with it, but to the misery of map part it spawns on-cant do DD things with it.

Thanks to all good souls and theirs esteemed advices or hints.

 

[ColonelPete]

They work fine for spotting.

Early capping does not work that well and is not really needed.

 

Focus on torping and exploiting broadside cruisers.

[Hirohito]

Personally wouldn't bother with the line, imo it's junk.

[MoveZig]

I got to Elbing, and I had to drop the line for exactly this reason. These should take up a cruiser slot in the MM, not a DD. Your options are to adapt to the challenge of capping at the start of a match vs. actual DDs; figure out alternate ways to play early in a Domination/Ranked match, no doubt while your teammates spam you with demands to go cap; or just drop them like I did.

[KillStealBoss]

More of s flanking DD, make it AFT with fearless brawler on the commander + reload upgrade in last slot, don't take concealment, don't bother with capping, just go to the flank and farm with AP, if you get focused smoke up. You cap only in the second half of the game when there's less DDs and you know where the enemy ships are. The issue with this line is arms race + no other DDs. Then it's painful. 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

Let me ping @asalonen. He loved the line and certainly has some good ideas.

 

I did go for concealment, cause you can get it down to ~6.4 km, which is enough to cap later. You don't cap early against DDs that outspot you by 900m, but later, when you cap, you don't want to be seen by every ship in the area.

In a way you do get into flanking positions, but more like micro-flanking, i.e. flanking at medium range. To achieve that, you imo need concealment, cause you use island cover and don't want to get caught on your approach.

 

I struggled with the line. The trick I have been told was to shoot AP all the time and never stop shooting. So you shoot from cover, if you can. You use low islands, you hijack other people's smokes, you use your own smokes and if they are not looking your way, you start open-water gunboating. With either AFT or range mod, you have the distance to not get hit back. This is important, cause the Schultz is not as fast as french or russian DDs, so it would get hit a lot below ~12 km. If the targets are angled, you go for the superstructure, which you can easily hit, cause the shells are very accurate. Also the Schultz loves the nose of BBs, where you usually get overpens. The Schultz gets full pens and lots of them and melts a BBs HP fast, plus the BB can't heal a lot back.

 

All in all it was not a fun line to play, but fun enough to grind it and not skip it.

[coolrunings_99]

Thanks fellas😉

Did go with concealment, it wasnt the biggest issue, clumsiness and size are though. Since I dont have germans higher than 17 points, one has to compromise with a lot of patience(always in high demand) and try to avoid dd encounter at the start of match, torp smart and try out a flank as most have said. DDs with no conceal and increased gun range are illegal for me😁.

If patience and awareness are stronk, one gets quite a few nice games in. I dont like the line in general, but was close in xp and decided to add Elbing as snowflake port queen. Dunno, after rng fiesta of overpens, ricochets, ‘Clarence the crosseyed lion’ BB salvos the guns of the line since I am an AP junkie strike as quite nice. Bringing them to bear is a chess game, though imho.

Thanks a lot,  fellow captains

[Hirohito]

The line just serves no proper purpose.
It's supposed to be a counter to CLs, but pretty much everything already counters CLs, and there's not many of them in your average match to begin with (partially because of how hard they are to play, since again, everything counters them).
Add in the fact that you can't really do DD things in it, and you got a really sh*t line with a niche that noone really asked for or needed.

[COPlUM]

8 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

The line just serves no purpose.

Its purpose is make every other ship on your flank cringe when they spawn because they don't have a DD

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 hours ago, Hirohito said:

It's supposed to be a counter to CLs, but pretty much everything already counters CLs, and there's not many of them in your average match to begin with (partially because of how hard they are to play, since again, everything counters them).

Also, they're good for a salvo broadside when you don't expect them - but if you know where they are, you can angle, as they don't overmatch.

[COPlUM]

The elbing line is junk, very good players take them out for a spin sometimes as a joke and to prove a point, so they can say "lmao I topped the team in this turd"
You give up every tool a destroyer has just so you can citadel that one light cruiser on the map, if there is one, and he happened to spawn on your side of the map.

[WorthyOpponent]

That line is the most selfish line we have in the game. Not even Khaba is that selfish, it at least does open water and gets potential damage. 

What you're supposed to do is just forget it's a DD and treat it like a cruiser, pray you're not the only DD, pray if you're the only DD, the game has a CV in it to spot instead of you, and when neither of these happen just sit and cry and try to spot.

[coolrunings_99]

Thanks again, done and dusted, while funny thing is everybody seems right and spot on. It was a pain with few high points, maybe my best game in a DD ever; Angela Merkel held a flank, capped, killed Halland with torps, Shima with guns and all that galore with His Majesty Erazer in a U2501, unfortunately on reds team🤟🙃. Luck when it comes it comes in pairs, since he was on other part of map heh.

The other funny high point was an encounter with Colbert in a Felix, a very brief one. Took 2 maybe 3 salvos, dunno got 254367 citadels. Yeah, two high points, the less said about the rest, the better. Still i cherish the memory of german guns actually working, accompanied with Black Adders Baldrick s  singing the old classic ‘German Guns’😁

Thanks once again, now to other ‘hard’ dd line, Kiev and Co.

[Bland_42]

While the op is running up the line, I have just unlocked it.

Then my question to veteran players, also based on what I read here, is if the build below could be a decent one to aim for... to build it while going along the tree.

Most certainly not the best, but a viable one at least?

 

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[Yosha_AtaIante]

41 minutes ago, Bland_42 said:

While the op is running up the line, I have just unlocked it.

Then my question to veteran players, also based on what I read here, is if the build below could be a decent one to aim for... to build it while going along the tree.

Most certainly not the best, but a viable one at least?

 

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its a good build. It will last you through all tiers. Take the range skill last.

[coolrunings_99]

@Bland_42, I d take(did so myself) Extra-heavy ammo skill, instead of Priority target, they re gonna shoot you-you know that😁, and not much jiggling could be done with them bricks anyways.

[Bland_42]

2 ore fa, coolrunings_99 ha scritto:

@Bland_42, I d take(did so myself) Extra-heavy ammo skill, instead of Priority target, they re gonna shoot you-you know that😁, and not much jiggling could be done with them bricks anyways.

Yes, I thinked about it... but except in BBs and RU DDs, I usually take Priority Target to understand how many people are "loving" me and decide when go dark.

Probably I will wait to be in T8-9 before deciding which one 2-pointer take.

[Bland_42]

About my build proposed above, a last question: could be better to take Superintendent for an extra smoke, instead of something else?

[COPlUM]

On 12/3/2022 at 9:42 AM, WorthyOpponent said:

That line is the most selfish line we have in the game. Not even Khaba is that selfish, it at least does open water and gets potential damage.

Khabas and farm build Klebers (kinda?) spot stuff too, indirectly anyway, because the stuff they are farming will get annoyed and shoot back. God I hate spawning behind anything in the Elbing line, it's griefing your team.

[Cammo1962]

42 minutes ago, Bland_42 said:

About my build proposed above, a last question: could be better to take Superintendent for an extra smoke, instead of something else?

This is my build on my Elbing @Bland_42