Tier 9/10 broken, supership bs

[mdjmcnally]

There simply isn’t the players for MM to keep SuperShips separate.

 

at the moment numbers for them are probably inflated due to the SS missions.

 

generally speaking not overly impressed with the quality of players that take them out.

 

seems a bit like subs,   Most of players in them not that great but you will meet the odd good player who can ruin your day.

 

having said that those good players in the SS would probably ruin your day in a TX ship anyway.

[endlessBoogie]

what is different at tier 7 vs 9 and tier9 vs 11?

 tier 9 has 2 modules more then 7 , on the other hand tier 11 has the funnybutton ...

i would rather be in a tier 9 then tier7 tbh

[Itwastuesday]

9 minutes ago, endlessBoogie said:

what is different at tier 7 vs 9 and tier9 vs 11?

There's no T9 carriers

T9 cruisers and battleships aren't typically built for lol maxrange crossmap sniping and so the T7-9 gameplay is less miserable as pure T9 was less miserable. Furthermore T8 gameplay isn't as garbage as T10

T7 BB gets equivalent caliber to T9 and Nagato for example can overmatch all T9 cruisers

 

Not to say double uptier +2 is great for any tier. 

[Port_Authority]

Issue is that many superships are Tier 12 in essence. The increase of DPM together with some maneuverability/concealment tradeoff would make them OK Tier 11. They get serious increase of DPM by trading little. That makes them seriously strong or OP T11. Slap on armour upgrades and a special gimmick, and there you go, a basic Tier 12 for you.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

On 11/24/2022 at 9:03 AM, Schijnheilig said:

Just cope 

 

*snip*

 

 

[KhorneFlake]

On 11/24/2022 at 11:51 PM, endlessBoogie said:

what is different at tier 7 vs 9 and tier9 vs 11?

 tier 9 has 2 modules more then 7 , on the other hand tier 11 has the funnybutton ...

i would rather be in a tier 9 then tier7 tbh

There is no difference.

It's just some whining and trolling from ppl who don't like superships, thats all.

[Figment]

38 minutes ago, KhorneFlake said:

There is no difference.

It's just some whining and trolling from ppl who don't like superships, thats all.

It's probably in part if not mostly that people have told themselves that powercreep was supposed to stop at TX.

 

Powercreep has never been fun and is I think generally seen as an unfortunate unavoidable thing, but TIX/TX seemed like a relatively safe space with at most a +1 MM. That's no longer the case.

 

The ships themselves aren't necessarily that much stronger (I think a well played Yama or Vermont should be able to beat a Satsuma one on one for instance - of course I see a lot of Yamas go broadside for no reason when in Satsuma...) and even T8 DDs should have a field day against these ships, but they are definitely stronger and have the added fear factor range potential. In part I think it's because the Satsuma has a relatively short lead at long range (more often 13s where Yama and Vermont get 15s at slightly shorter ranges), making the long range flanking more likely. I very often find myself targeting island stationary hugging cruisers on the other side of the map who thought it safe to slowly backup and show their side. As such it is quite likely to get relatively high damage outputs.

 

I'd say in large part this is a more general spotting issue though, as you don't need to get the spotting info directly from a ship spotting the enemy for you with a max sharing range, but can basically get it anywhere on the map. With visibility and firing ranges as they are, that puts pretty much the entire map into your effective area of attack.

[SuperDare83]

Can we stop tier 9 and 11 ('supership') matchmaking? It's completely unbalanced and absolutely ruining playing tier 9, especially for cruisers

[Stockensprotz]

The problem is that almost everything that is wrong with the game comes together at T9 now. You have subs, superships, Nakhimovs, super CVs (that are even worse than normal superships) facing usually underpowered T9 tech tree ships that, even before superships, are generally designed to be painful enough to make you spent FreeXP to shorten the grind (exception for some DDs). The only thing that is missing is double CV matches but i am sure this will be coming too.

 

The analogy to T7 is wrong here because i did (and do) grind through T7 and it never made me want to uninstall the game. Grinding through T9 does. I feel that every T9 premium i have now is wasted because none of them offer a fun experience any more in the current meta. Getting focused by 3 super BBs and a supercarrier 3 mins after the match starts is not a fun experience. I am not a masochist. I do not play (or pay) to be prey.

 

And I think that we are being cheated by the Star instead of the T11 designation of superships because the star means that there will be no single-tier supership-only matches (as opposed to e.g. T10) - giving these ships always some lower tiers to dominate.

[Hirohito]

The problem with superships is that not only do they massively powercreep your entire fleet of T10s and T9s, but they are also as close to pay to win as it gets in this game.
As such I rather quit the game than subject myself to playing ranked at T10 against people in superships.
Why should I subject myself to being at a significant disadvantage, while also getting no benefit like saving a star from facing them?

F*ck off WG with your P2W c*nt a** sh*t.

[COPlUM]

On 11/24/2022 at 6:03 PM, SeaWolf7 said:

Super ships need their own game

Give every tier their own game then, I don't like fighting musashi in my sinop, I don't like fighting daring in my lightning. The complaints about T9 vs T11 are not based on this being harder than being bottom tier anywhere else, it's based on the fact that T9 was -for many years- a very comfy tier to play. You're gonna have to cope with being bottom tier in your favorite T9s, everyone else has had to deal with it in every other tier for 7 years now.

[COPlUM]

On 11/24/2022 at 11:51 PM, endlessBoogie said:

what is different at tier 7 vs 9 and tier9 vs 11?

Nothing, fighting T9s in T7s is worse in most cases. But T9 is (was?) super popular so you get more people complaining about +2/-2 matchmaking.
+2/-2 matchmaking was never fun, it's just hitting a large group of guys now who play T9 a lot, it's not inherently different than being bottom tier in a T8 or a T7 or whatever.

[ColonelPete]

17 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

The problem with superships is that not only do they massively powercreep your entire fleet of T10s and T9s, but they are also as close to pay to win as it gets in this game.
As such I rather quit the game than subject myself to playing ranked at T10 against people in superships.
Why should I subject myself to being at a significant disadvantage, while also getting no benefit like saving a star from facing them?

F*ck off WG with your P2W c*nt a** sh*t.

P2W?

 

A lot of winning is done here (Satsuma):

 

[Hirohito]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

P2W?

 

A lot of winning is done here (Satsuma):

 

Yes, even in that case its p2w.
When a sh*t player like that plays a supershit, he just straight up gets a better ship in the satsuma than if he played yamato, and he still gets to face T10s and T9s.
Let's not pretend like anyone claims that a potato is gonna be a super unicum just by getting a supershit,  noone made that argument.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Hirohito said:

Yes, even in that case its p2w.
When a sh*t player like that plays a supershit, he just straight up gets a better ship in the satsuma than if he played yamato, and he still gets to face T10s and T9s.
Let's not pretend like anyone claims that a potato is gonna be a super unicum just by getting a supershit,  noone made that argument.

You claimed people pay for wins. I do not see many wins...

[Hirohito]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

You claimed people pay for wins. I do not see many wins...

Yes, because obviously when the term P2W is used in a multiplayer game, it's commonly understood to mean that you pay money to win literally all your games.

 

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Yes, because obviously when the term P2W is used in a multiplayer game, it's commonly understood to mean that you pay money to win literally all your games.

 

Educated people understand that players pay for winning significantly more games than before. Winning 25,x% of ones matches does not look like that.

[Hirohito]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Educated people understand that players pay for winning significantly more games than before. Winning 25,x% of ones matches does not look like that.

Yes, you can tell my education level from a couple of sentences on a forum about boats shooting boats.
Pathetic.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Hirohito said:

Yes, you can tell that I lack education by a couple of sentences on a forum about boats shooting boats.
Pathetic.

Did not say that, but people put on the shoe that fits...

 

Also alot of winning going on here:

 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 hours ago, COPlUM said:

I don't like fighting musashi in my sinop

Well, the ablility to meet Mushi is the balancing factor for that seal club.

[LukkaiCH]

Pay to win: Paying real life money to get an ingame advantage.

 

The amount of real time money necessary to get and use a supership is... zero.

 

Do you see the problem here with calling them pay to win?

 

I've talked with a whole number of people that have gotten one or several tier XIs by now. Not a single on of them have paid a single cent of real money to get or play them. Now I'm not saying that people aren't in fact using dubloons to exchange elite xp to free xp and to buy credits so they can get there faster. But that's no different to the same kind of people doing that to reach tier X before. If tier XI are pay to win, so are tier X. And tier IX. And any other tier you can use that trick on.

 

I'm not saying you have to like them. Or cannot argue against them. But at least don't attribute something to them that is so clearly wrong.

[Ocsimano18]

12 hours ago, Hirohito said:

but they are also as close to pay to win as it gets in this game.

They can be bought for credits which is a grindable resource. Jean-Bart, Georgia, and Musashi can only be obtained by opening your wallet, so they are the pay to win ships.

[SeaWolf7]

On 12/2/2022 at 8:48 PM, COPlUM said:

 The complaints about T9 vs T11 are not based on this being harder than being bottom tier anywhere else, 

well actually it is..the gap bieng bottom tier at tier 9 against a super ship is considerable. More so than other tiers no? its more a question of balance and capability against Heavily superior ballistics and Armour.

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 4 Stunden, SeaWolf7 sagte:

well actually it is..the gap bieng bottom tier at tier 9 against a super ship is considerable. More so than other tiers no?

With exceptions like Eagle maybe, not really, no.

 

Tier 7 to tier 9 actually feels worse to me.

[Figment]

On 12/2/2022 at 9:59 PM, Hirohito said:

Yes, even in that case its p2w.

No. Gold ammo in WoT was p2w, because ammo bought with dubloons had significantly better stats than regular ammo and penned heavy armour where regular ammo would bounce (I never used gold ammo).

On 12/2/2022 at 9:59 PM, Hirohito said:

When a sh*t player like that plays a supershit, he just straight up gets a better ship in the satsuma than if he played yamato, and he still gets to face T10s and T9s.

So p2w starts at tier 2?

 

What you're describing is power creep grind and goes for every single ship that's physically better than a Tier 1. Your argument falls flat here. Why should T9 be exempt from the same kind of powercreep? And it is the same kind of power creep: new, more powerful gimmick (like fighting tier 8 with tier 6), but similar HP to TX. Beyond that, nothing special that TX doesn't also have. As a T9, you can easily torp and HE these sluggish big ships to death. The Satsuma for instance also has the exact same weakspot as the Izumo, Hizen, Yamato and Shikishima under its second turret at a slight angle for guaranteed citadels..

On 12/2/2022 at 9:59 PM, Hirohito said:

Let's not pretend like anyone claims that a potato is gonna be a super unicum just by getting a supershit,  noone made that argument.

You however, claimed that a potato paid for power. They likely did not. And you have to make the moral case why your ethics allow you and any potato to buy anything over Tier I if the evil is getting a more powerful ship.