Brawls

[Cyclops_]

Schlieffen needs removing from brawls, utterly broken.

[AggressiveGander]

Schlieffen is obviously very strong (and importantly strong against every ship and ship class) and probably the ship I see the most. And it's a shame that BBs without torps and good secondaries are less viable. There's a decent amount of GKs and Preussens, too, though (for some reason not so much Ohio). While I haven't tried them, I imagine they are harder to play as they need to keep the Schlieffens for closing to undodgeable-torpedoing-range. I'm not sure that many other BBs are quite up there with these ships.

 

Some cruisers are also kind of viable, but seem less strong than Schlieffen (e.g. Henri IV, Napoli) to me (i.e. I've won this match up often enough, but usually feel like my opponent made clear mistakes).

 

In terms of DDs Kleber is pretty good (great YOLO potential: fast, hard hitting torps that reload fast). I'm not entirely sure how it measures up to Schlieffen, personally I think I theoretically know how to play Schlieffen successfully vs. DDs, but then fail to do it properly when I try.

Many other gunboat DDs don't have enough torpedo power (e.g. Smaland, Ragnar)/fast enough torpedo reload (Marceau)/aren't fast enough to have a good YOLO option (Daring). Torpedo boat DDs are usually a bit fragile, which limits their YOLO options, while torping from beyond detection is unreliable. Capping and playing tag around an island is of course an option for DDs, especially if you have the RPF skill (in that 1v1 situation it's almost as good a radar, but never runs out), but I never found that appealing.

 

So, yes, it feels a bit limited in terms of what ships are really good. Perhaps banning Schlieffen would be an option and it might introduce more variety, but perhaps then something else would be just as dominant.

[Animalul2012]

Just play the kamikaze ship and be a douchebag( or at least try). Is not japanese but french. You can obviously score many victories but also defeats and a suprising amount of draws. \

Be wary of those plebs who try to run away. Had so much fun ramming them and then winning, annoying [edited].

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Minotaur works basically against everything.

[Fediuld]

4 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Schlieffen needs removing from brawls, utterly broken.

Play Nakhimov then. 

[MadBadDave]

1 hour ago, AggressiveGander said:

 

Some cruisers are also kind of viable, but seem less strong than Schlieffen (e.g. Henri IV, Napoli) to me (i.e. I've won this match up often enough, but usually feel like my opponent made clear mistakes).

 

In terms of DDs Kleber is pretty good (great YOLO potential: fast, hard hitting torps that reload fast). I'm not entirely sure how it measures up to Schlieffen

By mistake I entered a brawl in a hindy vs a Kleber, It wasn’t remotely close, I decimated the Kleber,; speed’s only good when you face a clueless noob who can’t lead.  And torps are good until you face German hydro,  I’d say Kleber or Marceau are average in a 1vs1, As for cruisers seen many Petro vs hindy 1vs1’s 😗.

[KhorneFlake]

4 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Schlieffen needs removing from brawls, utterly broken.

Nope.

[BrettMRC]

Incomparable is where I'm having the most fun!  (Although Schieffen and GK cause me issues!)

[Oech80]

I really enjoy this 1vs1 brawls but in this tier Schlieffen and GK take the fun out of it. More than half of my encounters were with those two. And as I only have the Napoli as tier 10 there is not much I can do about them unless their captains make really big mistakes.

After 5 times in a row Schlieffen/GK I really lost interest this round.

[________________Morrison]

1 hour ago, BrettMRC said:

Incomparable is where I'm having the most fun!  (Although Schieffen and GK cause me issues!)

Secondary incomparable 

Just don't get greedy and even slieffen you will kill. Same for GK Preusen. ETC.

 

Sliefen is busted though secondaries. Trollolo armor. Torps.

 

Nothing beats suicidal dds thouhg youre kinda dead in a bb if this is the case.

[________________Morrison]

41 minutes ago, Oech80 said:

I really enjoy this 1vs1 brawls but in this tier Schlieffen and GK take the fun out of it. More than half of my encounters were with those two. And as I only have the Napoli as tier 10 there is not much I can do about them unless their captains make really big mistakes.

After 5 times in a row Schlieffen/GK I really lost interest this round.

get a gk yourself?

pretty sure vermont is pretty good as well.

reload build ofc ;)

[Figment]

23 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Schlieffen needs removing from brawls, utterly broken.

Broke quite a few with Kurfurst... And Gearing (just wait for hydro to die out).

 

20 hours ago, AggressiveGander said:

While I haven't tried them, I imagine they are harder to play as they need to keep the Schlieffens for closing to undodgeable-torpedoing-range. I'm not sure that many other BBs are quite up there with these ships.

Nah, just turn around at a distance of ~8km after a HE volley (they'll be reloading HE as you make your turn) and sail diagonally away from them with them in pursuit. They can't cap due to your secondaries and you can just out AP/HE damage/burn them. They can't turn away because they'd show broadside. Just don't hit an island. Works with several other BBs as well.

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Some cruisers are also kind of viable, but seem less strong than Schlieffen (e.g. Henri IV, Napoli) to me (i.e. I've won this match up often enough, but usually feel like my opponent made clear mistakes).

Hindenburg is also popular.

[RepSrb]

1 hour ago, Oech80 said:

I really enjoy this 1vs1 brawls but in this tier Schlieffen and GK take the fun out of it. More than half of my encounters were with those two. And as I only have the Napoli as tier 10 there is not much I can do about them unless their captains make really big mistakes.

After 5 times in a row Schlieffen/GK I really lost interest this round.

I just bring my FDR and farm....

[quickr]

1. Try playing something fun, unique, challenging

2. Get paired against big german BBully all the time

3. Rage

4. Play brawls in a CV

 

[SurfaceFish]

I'd like to see same class 1vs1 brawls. Played 2 games in cruiser and came across German secondary BB. Lost interest afterwards. 

[Cyclops_]

22 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Minotaur works basically against everything.

Not the ones I gave come up against 🤔

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

7 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

Not the ones I gave come up against 🤔

Brawl matchmaking is skill based...

[Oech80]

Was stupid enough to try it again this evening... Tried 4 matches: GK-->Schlieffen-->St. Vincent-->Schlieffen... At the 2nd Schlieffen I just hit alt+f4. What fun I had.

[Cyclops_]

On 11/24/2022 at 11:10 PM, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Brawl matchmaking is skill based...

[arttuperkunas]

On 11/25/2022 at 1:10 AM, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Brawl matchmaking is skill based...

How do you play mino in brawls? I'm a decent radar memetaur man in randoms, but the one time I tried mino in brawls, it didn't work out that well. Seems like your overmatch-eating armour, lack of frontal firepower, and bad torp angles don't really make the mino a survivable pushing ship.

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

I also feared that Schlieffen will be the star of this brawl. But it is not, it is very vulnerable to GK and Ohio. I played mainly GK, it beat almost everything, most of the time Schlieffen and any DDs. I had difficulty to beat Ohios with GK. Not mayn playing them though so it is OK. I noticed two things. Cruisers are almost fully absent and I can understand why. Their brawling ability is wiped out. Another things is, when I was pitted against a CV (exclusively Nakhimovs or Midways) I did not stand a chance to even reach the caps, not that I ever spot the CV and have a chance to shoot at. First encountered with Midway ended up after he sent against me two wawes. For Nakhimov it took four.  It was not fun or enjoyable at any levels. It was not a brawl. After that I did not even made an effort when I was pitted against a CV.

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

12 hours ago, Oech80 said:

Was stupid enough to try it again this evening... Tried 4 matches: GK-->Schlieffen-->St. Vincent-->Schlieffen... At the 2nd Schlieffen I just hit alt+f4. What fun I had.

Many plays Schlieffen, but in GK I beat them 4 out of 5. The key is to keep 8-9 km distance from them and you sail away form them angling. In that way he will have difficulty to torp you, you can evade all or most of its tops, but you are still able to use all your main and secondary guns against it. They have low HP pool and if you hit them with main guns about 4-5 times they are gone. My problem is Ohios. They beat me 3 out of 4 times. And  I don't understand bcs I suck at Ohio.

[Figment]

14 minutes ago, TonyStarkshoudnthavedied said:

Many plays Schlieffen, but in GK I beat them 4 out of 5. The key is to keep 8-9 km distance from them and you sail away form them angling. In that way he will have difficulty to torp you, you can evade all or most of its tops, but you are still able to use all your main and secondary guns against it. They have low HP pool and if you hit them with main guns about 4-5 times they are gone.

This is the best strategy in my experience against a Schlieffen, make its torps useless and your hitpool advantage does the rest. :)

14 minutes ago, TonyStarkshoudnthavedied said:

My problem is Ohios. They beat me 3 out of 4 times. And  I don't understand bcs I suck at Ohio.

Do you put your rear towards them or keep your nose on it? Cause I've had a reasonable chance nose in and backing up at a slight angle (such that after he fired I can angle out for some secondaries off and maybe fire the rear turrets depending on the starting angle, then go straight again). I hit Ohio next to the turrets in the upper deck area, that seems to go reasonably well. I'd say it's closer to 50-50 with GK then for me. Don't have an Ohio so I don't really know it well enough where and when it can deal massive damage, but seems a Ohio does more damage to me if I'm kiting than nose in.

[arttuperkunas]

The german BB meta is boring. Then again, I'm kinda fine with GK being actually good in a gamemode once in a while, even though I don't play it myself. Makes up a little bit for being an oversized damage pinata in randoms.

[KhorneFlake]

1 hour ago, arttuperkunas said:

The german BB meta is boring. Then again, I'm kinda fine with GK being actually good in a gamemode once in a while, even though I don't play it myself. Makes up a little bit for being an oversized damage pinata in randoms.

This! She's also an viable option in Tier X ranked, but then again, when do we get to see Tier X ranked battles again?