Pan-American DD tech tree proposal

[TheKaramelka]

After the release of Pan-America light cruisers in the devblog, it becomes clear that destroyers are just around the corner. So let's take a look at what they might be.

Tech tree features:

• The ships have fast-firing and accurate artillery with fairly good ballistics and a decent (by destroyer standards) firing range.
• Torpedoes have a relatively short range.
• Starting from level 8, the number of torpedoes becomes small.
• Air defense is very good, no worse, or even better than that of Europeans
• Surveillance Radar appears from level 8
• Repair party available but no Smoke Generator
• South Americans do not shine with speed

Representatives:

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Pan-American destroyer Alexandrino Dealenca, Tier II:

The history of this ship began in January 1914, when the Acasta-class destroyer Porpoise (renamed K-class in 1912) entered the Royal Navy. The ship took part in the First World War, including the Battle of Jutland.
After the end of the war, the destroyer was sold to Brazil, having undergone modernization along the way (in particular, instead of single-tube 533-mm TA, it received twin-tube 450-mm ones), and was renamed Alexandrino Dealenca (since 1927 - Maranhão). In Brazilian service, the destroyer was noted for its participation in the suppression of two uprisings in 1930 (unsuccessfully) and 1935, and led convoys during World War II. In 1946, the completely obsolete destroyer was decommissioned.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1300 t

Plating: 6 mm

Length: 80,8 m

Hit points: 7 100

Main armament

3х1 102 mm/40 BL Mk. VIII

Reload time: 5 sec

Firing range: 9,7 km

180 degree turn time: 22,5 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 102 mm HE 31 lb

     Projectile weight: 15,88 kg

     Max damage: 1500

     Fire Chance: 6%

     Armor penetration: 17 mm

     HE initial velocity: 811 m/s

AP – 102 mm SAP 31 lb

     Projectile weight: 17,35 kg

     Max damage: 1800

     AP initial velocity: 811 m/s

Torpedo armament
2х2 450 mm Double

       Reload ime: 30 seconds

       Torpedo type: 450 mm Mark V
       Damage: 7 676

       Flood chance: 116%
       Speed: 54 knots
       Range: 5,0 km
       Detection range: 0,7 km

AA defense:

3x1 20 mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 31 kts

Turning circle radius: 380 m

Rudder shift time: 1,9 sec

Surface detectability: 4,7 km

Air detectability: 1,0 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Pan-American destroyer La Plata, Tier III:

In January 1909, Argentina ordered a series of twelve destroyers, which were built at five shipyards in three countries: Britain, France and Germany. The destroyers were laid down in 1910 and in 1912 the first four of them (all German) entered the Argentine Navy. The rest of the series did not reach the Argentinean fleet: four "British" destroyers were resold to the Greeks, and four "French" were requisitioned by the French fleet at the beginning of the First World War. Four additional destroyers ordered from Germany entered the German Navy as the G-101 type.
All four Argentine destroyers underwent modernization in the mid-1920s, after which they served for another thirty years and were decommissioned in 1956.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1368 t

Plating: 6 mm

Length: 90 m

Hit points: 9 700

Main armament

4х1 102 mm/50 Bethlehem No.1

Reload time: 5 sec

Firing range: 10,2 km

180 degree turn time: 22,5 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 102 mm HE 31 lb

     Projectile weight: 15,88 kg

     Max damage: 1500

     Fire Chance: 6%

     Armor penetration: 17 mm

     HE initial velocity: 910 m/s

AP – 102 mm SAP 31 lb

     Projectile weight: 17,35 kg

     Max damage: 1800

     AP initial velocity: 910 m/s

Torpedo armament
2х2 533 mm Mk I

       Reload ime: 55 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Mk II*
       Damage: 11 676

       Flood chance: 215%
       Speed: 55 knots
       Range: 6,0 km
       Detection range: 0,8 km

AA defense:

2x1 37 mm/43 Vickers 1-pdr

Maximum speed: 35 kts

Turning circle radius: 410 m

Rudder shift time: 2,1 sec

Surface detectability: 5,4 km

Air detectability: 1,1 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Pan-American destroyer Serrano, Tier IV:

The Serrano class was a series of six destroyers, built to a British design, which served with the Chilean Navy from 1928 to 1967. In 1927 Chile ordered the Serrano class from John I. Thornycroft & Company in the United Kingdom at the cost of £230,000 for each ship to enhance the Chilean Navy's ability to patrol its extensive coastline. The six vessels were completed by 1929. Serrano, Orella and Hyatt were equipped for minelaying, and Aldea, Riquelme and Videla for minesweeping.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1430 t

Plating: 6 mm

Length: 91,44 m

Hit points: 10 900

Main armament

3х1 120 mm/45 Vickers-Armstrong Mk.E

Reload time: 4,5 sec

Firing range: 11,4 km

180 degree turn time: 22,5 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 120 mm HE 50 lb

     Projectile weight: 22,68 kg

     Max damage: 1700

     Fire Chance: 9%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 814 m/s

AP – 120 mm SAP 50 lb

     Projectile weight: 22,68 kg

     Max damage: 2000

     AP initial velocity: 814 m/s

Torpedo armament
2x3 533 mm TR Mk I

       Reload ime: 55 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Mk II*
       Damage: 11 676

       Flood chance: 215%
       Speed: 55 knots
       Range: 6,0 km
       Detection range: 0,8 km

AA defense:

1x1 76 mm/40 QF Mk.I

3x1 20 mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 35 kts

Turning circle radius: 460 m

Rudder shift time: 2,7 sec

Surface detectability: 6,0 km

Air detectability: 1,7 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Pan-American destroyer Generalissimo, Tier V:

Types of destroyers in service with the Royal Navy of Great Britain in the 1930s and during the Second World War. During the war, three ships (HMS Express, HMS Fortune and HMS Foxhound) were transferred to the Canadian Navy, one (HMS Echo) to the Greek Navy, and after the war another (HMS Fame) to the Dominican Navy.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1940 t

Plating: 13 mm

Length: 100,3 m

Hit points: 12 700

Main armament

4х1 120 mm/45 QF Mk.IX

Reload time: 5 sec

Firing range: 12,3 km

180 degree turn time: 18 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 120 mm HE

     Projectile weight: 22,68 kg

     Max damage: 1700

     Fire Chance: 8%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 808 m/s

AP – 120 mm AP

     Projectile weight: 22,68 kg

     Max damage: 2100

     AP initial velocity: 808 m/s

Torpedo armament
2x4 533 mm QR Mk I

       Reload ime: 55 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Mk II*
       Damage: 11 676

       Flood chance: 215%
       Speed: 55 knots
       Range: 6,0 km
       Detection range: 0,8 km

AA defense:

2x4 12,7 mm Vickers.50

Maximum speed: 35,5 kts

Turning circle radius: 540 m

Rudder shift time: 2,9 sec

Surface detectability: 6,9 km

Air detectability: 2,6 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Pan-American destroyer Acre, Tier VI:

The Acre-class destroyers were a class of six destroyers built during World War II for the Brazilian Navy. None were completed before the end of the war. They are also referred to in some sources as the Amazonas class.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1800 t

Plating: 13 mm

Length: 98,42 m

Hit points: 13 900

Main armament

4х1 127 mm/38 Mk.30/Mk.21

Reload time: 4,5 sec

Firing range: 12,9 km

180 degree turn time: 12 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 127 mm HE Mk32

     Projectile weight: 24,5 kg

     Max damage: 1800

     Fire Chance: 5%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 792 m/s

AP – 127 mm AP/SC Mk38

     Projectile weight: 25 kg

     Max damage: 2100

     AP initial velocity: 792 m/s

Torpedo armament
2x4 533 mm Quad

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Bliss-Leavitt Mk 8
       Damage: 13 500

       Flood chance: 257%
       Speed: 57 knots
       Range: 8,0 km
       Detection range: 0,9 km

AA defense:

4х1 127 mm/38 Mk.30/Mk.21

1x2 40 mm/60 Bofors

4x1 20 mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 36 kts

Turning circle radius: 560 m

Rudder shift time: 2,7 sec

Surface detectability: 7,3 km

Air detectability: 2,7 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Pan-American destroyer Marcílio Dias, Tier VII:

The Marcílio Dias-class destroyers (sometimes referred to as M class) were three destroyers of the Brazilian Navy that served during World War II. They were based on the United States Navy's Mahan class. They entered service in 1943 and served on Atlantic convoy duty with the Allies. In July 1944, the three destroyers escorted the Brazilian Expeditionary Force to Italy. Following the end of the war, the destroyers remained in service, undergoing modernisation. Two were discarded in 1966, with the last taken out of service in 1973.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1940 t

Plating: 13 mm

Length: 108,81 m

Hit points: 16 700

Main armament

5х1 127 mm/38 Mk.30/Mk.21

Reload time: 4,5 sec

Firing range: 13,7 km

180 degree turn time: 12 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 127 mm HE Mk32

     Projectile weight: 24,5 kg

     Max damage: 1800

     Fire Chance: 5%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 792 m/s

AP – 127 mm AP/SC Mk38

     Projectile weight: 25 kg

     Max damage: 2100

     AP initial velocity: 792 m/s

Torpedo armament
2x4 533 mm Quad

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Bliss-Leavitt Mk 8
       Damage: 13 500

       Flood chance: 257%
       Speed: 57 knots
       Range: 8,0 km
       Detection range: 0,9 km

AA defense:

5х1 127 mm/38 Mk.30/Mk.21

2x2 40 mm/60 Bofors

4x1 20 mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 36 kts

Turning circle radius: 580 m

Rudder shift time: 2,9 sec

Surface detectability: 7,7 km

Air detectability: 2,9 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Repair party

Pan-American destroyer Resistencia, Tier VIII:

A destroyer project developed by the British company Yarrow in 1947 and offered for sale to Argentina. The ship was a modification of the British L type destroyers. The Argentines were not particularly interested in this project; probably one of the reasons was the use of non-universal HA settings.

Spoiler

Displacement: 2705 t

Plating: 16 mm

Length: 121,31 m

Hit points: 18 400

Main armament

3х2 120 mm/50 QF Mk.XI

Reload time: 4 sec

Firing range: 14,1 km

180 degree turn time: 12 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 120 mm HE 62 lb

     Projectile weight: 28,12 kg

     Max damage: 1700

     Fire Chance: 9%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 774 m/s

AP – 120 mm SAP 62 lb

     Projectile weight: 28,12 kg

     Max damage: 2200

     AP initial velocity: 774 m/s

Torpedo armament
1x4 533 mm QR Mk IV

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Mark X*
       Damage: 19 676

       Flood chance: 368%
       Speed: 59 knots
       Range: 8,5 km
       Detection range: 0,9 km

AA defense:

3х2 120 mm/50 QF Mk.XI

2x2 40 mm//60 Bofors

4x2 20 mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 35 kts

Turning circle radius: 620 m

Rudder shift time: 3,3 sec

Surface detectability: 8,1 km

Air detectability: 3,1 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Repair party

Slot 4 - Surveillance Radar

Pan-American destroyer Siete de Agosto, Tier IX:

One of the strongest artillery destroyers in the world, perhaps the strongest of those in South America, almost the only (not counting the sistership) Swedish ship built specifically for export.
In the first half of the 50s, Colombia planned to purchase a couple of destroyers from the UK, but instead they were offered to buy destroyers from the Swedes (they just wanted to sell two destroyers to Indonesia, which the British didn’t want to). The Colombians agreed, and in 1958 they received two Swedish-built destroyers. The ships were a modification of the Hallands with slightly different electronics, a third main battery turret and weakened anti-aircraft, torpedo and anti-aircraft weapons for the sake of the latter.

Spoiler

Displacement: 3300 t

Plating: 19 mm

Length: 121,31 m

Hit points: 19 200

Main armament

3х2 120 mm/50 Model 1950

Reload time: 3,5 sec

Firing range: 15,3 km

180 degree turn time: 7,2 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 120 mm HE M1950

     Projectile weight: 23,5 kg

     Max damage: 1750

     Fire Chance: 8%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 825 m/s

AP – 120 mm AP M1950

     Projectile weight: 23,5 kg

     Max damage: 2100

     AP initial velocity: 885 m/s

Torpedo armament
1x4 533 mm Quad

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Torpedo mod.1950
       Damage: 21 676

       Flood chance: 398%
       Speed: 60 knots
       Range: 10,0 km
       Detection range: 1,0 km

AA defense:

3х2 120 mm/50 Model 1950

4x1 40 mm/70 Bofors M1938

Maximum speed: 35 kts

Turning circle radius: 660 m

Rudder shift time: 4,3 sec

Surface detectability: 8,3 km

Air detectability: 3,3 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Repair party

Slot 4 - Surveillance Radar

Pan-American destroyer Amazonas, Tier X:

In the early 50s, three British shipbuilding companies - Thornycroft, White and Yarrow - began to jointly develop destroyer projects for export. In particular, several projects were proposed to Brazil, one of which was the TWY 1737 project. This project existed in several versions that differed in weapons: 102-mm Vickers assault rifles, 114-mm guns, a combination of the first two (!), 120-mm Bofors assault rifles, American 127-mm ... In the end, none of these options were implemented in metal - the Brazilians preferred to buy Fletchers

Spoiler

Displacement: 3500 t

Plating: 19 mm

Length: 136,1 m

Hit points: 26 700

Main armament

3х2 120 mm/50 Model 1950

Reload time: 3 sec

Firing range: 15,7 km

180 degree turn time: 7,2 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 120 mm HE M1950

     Projectile weight: 23,5 kg

     Max damage: 1750

     Fire Chance: 8%

     Armor penetration: 20 mm

     HE initial velocity: 825 m/s

AP – 120 mm AP M1950

     Projectile weight: 23,5 kg

     Max damage: 2100

     AP initial velocity: 885 m/s

Torpedo armament
1x5 533 mm Quintuple

       Reload ime: 76 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Torpedo mod.1950
       Damage: 21 676

       Flood chance: 398%
       Speed: 60 knots
       Range: 10,0 km
       Detection range: 1,0 km

AA defense:

3х2 120 mm/50 Model 1950

6x1 57 mm/60 Bofors M1950

Maximum speed: 35 kts

Turning circle radius: 760 m

Rudder shift time: 4,7 sec

Surface detectability: 8,8 km

Air detectability: 3,5 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Repair party

Slot 4 - Surveillance Radar

 

Premium ships:

Spoiler

Pan-American destroyer Nueva Esparta, Tier VIII:

A series of Venezuelan destroyers from the 1950s. They were designed specifically for service in the tropical climate of Venezuela and were distinguished by the presence of air conditioning systems and a relatively large volume of premises.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1952 t

Plating: 16 mm

Length: 122,5 m

Hit points: 15 100

Main armament

3х2 113 mm/45 QF Mk.IV

Reload time: 4,5 sec

Firing range: 12,5 km

180 degree turn time: 9 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 113 mm HE 5crh

     Projectile weight: 24,95 kg

     Max damage: 1700

     Fire Chance: 8%

     Armor penetration: 19 mm

     HE initial velocity: 746 m/s

AP – 113 mm SAP 55 lb

     Projectile weight: 25 kg

     Max damage: 2100

     AP initial velocity: 746 m/s

Torpedo armament
1x3 533 mm TR Mk II

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Mk IXM 
       Damage: 16 767

       Flood chance: 282%
       Speed: 62 knots
       Range: 10,0 km
       Detection range: 1,3 km

AA defense:

3х2 113 mm/45 QF Mk.IV

8x2 40 mm/60 Bofors

Maximum speed: 34,5 kts

Turning circle radius: 610 m

Rudder shift time: 4,2 sec

Surface detectability: 7,0 km

Air detectability: 3,3 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Short-Burst Smoke Generator

Slot 4 - Torpedo Reload Booster

Pan-American destroyer Almirante Clemente, Tier VIII:

A series of six ships designed and built for the Venezuelan Navy in the mid-50s by the Italian company Ansaldo. Two more similar ships were built for Indonesia, and one more (with weakened weapons) was acquired by Portugal. In fact, these ships were fast escort destroyers or frigates; the Venezuelans themselves called them "light destroyers." In 1962, half of the ships underwent a small upgrade, and at the end of the 70s, four of the six ships were decommissioned; the rest were overhauled and reclassified as frigates. They were later handed over to the Coast Guard and decommissioned in the late 2000s.

Spoiler

Displacement: 1500 t

Plating: 16 mm

Length: 99,1 m

Hit points: 12 700

Main armament

2х2 102/45 QF Mk.19

Reload time: 1,2 sec

Firing range: 12,5 km

180 degree turn time: 9 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 102 mm HE 31 lb

     Projectile weight: 15,88 kg

     Max damage: 1500

     Fire Chance: 6%

     Armor penetration: 31 mm

     HE initial velocity: 910 m/s

AP – 102 mm SAP 31 lb

     Projectile weight: 17,35 kg

     Max damage: 1800

     AP initial velocity: 910 m/s

Torpedo armament
1x3 533 mm TR Mk II

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Si 270
       Damage: 23 767

       Flood chance: 406%
       Speed: 67 knots
       Range: 6,0 km
       Detection range: 1,7 km

AA defense:

2х2 102/45 QF Mk.19

2x2 40 mm/70 Bofors M1948

Maximum speed: 34 kts

Turning circle radius: 490 m

Rudder shift time: 2,1 sec

Surface detectability: 5,1 km

Air detectability: 1,7 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Torpedo Reload Booster

Pan-American destroyer Almirante Williams, Tier X:

A series of two destroyers ordered by the Chileans in 1957 and commissioned in the early 50s. The ships were built by Vickers according to a unique project, the most unique in which was the main caliber - 102-mm Vickers submachine guns, which developed a rate of fire of up to 50 rounds per minute. These guns, which were never appreciated by the British Navy, were not put on any other ship built in metal.
In the mid-60s, both ships were equipped with Seacat air defense systems, and in the mid-70s they underwent a major upgrade, having received Exocet anti-ship missiles. After thirty years of service, the unique destroyers were decommissioned in the mid-90s.

Spoiler

Displacement: 3300 t

Plating: 16 mm

Length: 122,5 m

Hit points: 19 400

Main armament

4х1 102 mm/62 Vickers Mk. Q

Reload time: 1,5 sec

Firing range: 14,3 km

180 degree turn time: 5,2 sec

Sigma: 2,0

HE – 102 mm HE 32 lb

     Projectile weight: 14,5 kg

     Max damage: 1250

     Fire Chance: 4%

     Armor penetration: 31 mm

     HE initial velocity: 1020 m/s

AP – 102 mm SAP 32 lb

     Projectile weight: 14,5 kg

     Max damage: 1500

     AP initial velocity: 1020 m/s

Torpedo armament
1x5 533 mm PR Mk II

       Reload ime: 60 seconds

       Torpedo type: 533 mm Mk IXM 
       Damage: 16 767

       Flood chance: 282%
       Speed: 62 knots
       Range: 10,0 km
       Detection range: 1,3 km

AA defense:

4х1 102 mm/62 Vickers Mk. Q

6x1 40 mm/70 Breda-Bofors Tyoe 564

Maximum speed: 34,5 kts

Turning circle radius: 690 m

Rudder shift time: 3,3 sec

Surface detectability: 7,2 km

Air detectability: 3,3 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Engine boost

Slot 3 - Exhaust Smoke Generator

Slot 4 - Defensive AA Fire

 

If you don't like my posts, PLEASE don't comment them, don't bring yourself and me into conflict.

This is my personal proposal and not the fact that ships will ever appear in the game or my concept will be taken into attention!

 Thank you for your attention!

[LukkaiCH]

Why would you have the Acre-class lower tier than the Marcilio Dias though, considering the first came after the latter? It wouldn't be the first with a slower speed than its predecessor in the tech tree. And the lower number of guns (4 to 5) could be compensated with something along consumables or just a better turret shift and/or fire rate.

 

As for the proposed premiums: Ships from the fifties should not be around tier VIII, in my opinion. The only ones we have in the game are at X or XI, unless I have missed one. Tier IX if you count Velos, but that would be a refit, not new ship.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I'm sure WG will totally consider your proposition. They always do.

 

I am strongly opposing this:

Surveillance Radar appears from level 8

 

We are at a point, where so many ships have radar, that WG should just consider adding it as a standard consumable (such as repair party).

[invicta2012]

3 hours ago, LukkaiCH said:

As for the proposed premiums: Ships from the fifties should not be around tier VIII, in my opinion. The only ones we have in the game are at X or XI, unless I have missed one. Tier IX if you count Velos, but that would be a refit, not new ship.

Their Tier VIII is a modified L/M class, though, not a Battle or Daring.  If you look at the gun spacing you can see that's the L/M gun mounting (4.7in on a CP Mk XX mounting, presumably, in the 50s, modified to have RPC and be a better AA gun). So that should be OK, bigger than Lightning or Orkan with a similar gun armament, better AA, but fewer torpedoes. 

 

The Pan-Am DD line is great - it's where all the post-war fun happens in respect of "traditional" DDs with guns and torpedoes rather than anti-sub/missile roles. I think I would probably put Nueve Esparta at IX and Siete de Agosto at X, though, rather than the OP's order.

 

It might be possible to do a little better than Generalissimo at Tier V (not only because of the name)  - perhaps the original (British derived) Acre design or Mendoza/Cervantes from the Argentinian Navy? It would be nice to avoid having too many UK derived designs in mid-Tiers, though... it does seem as if 90% of Tier V/VI Destroyers are British standards. I expect Italian yards were pitching around that time....

 

I love the Almirante Williams class as a Premium (very Forrest Sherman) and there's potential for another Premium (a proposal for Venezuela) using three Mark N 4 inch guns which might work nicely at Tier VII/VIII in a Sims style.

 

[TheKaramelka]

3 hours ago, LukkaiCH said:

As for the proposed premiums: Ships from the fifties should not be around tier VIII, in my opinion. The only ones we have in the game are at X or XI, unless I have missed one. Tier IX if you count Velos, but that would be a refit, not new ship.

Öland - 1948
De Zeven Provincien - 1953

Saipan - 1946

Pobeda - 1950
I cant say that this ship somehow ruing the balance

[LukkaiCH]

Vor 17 Stunden, invicta2012 sagte:

Their Tier VIII is a modified L/M class, though, not a Battle or Daring.  If you look at the gun spacing you can see that's the L/M gun mounting (4.7in on a CP Mk XX mounting, presumably, in the 50s, modified to have RPC and be a better AA gun). So that should be OK, bigger than Lightning or Orkan with a similar gun armament, better AA, but fewer torpedoes. 

 

The Pan-Am DD line is great - it's where all the post-war fun happens in respect of "traditional" DDs with guns and torpedoes rather than anti-sub/missile roles. I think I would probably put Nueve Esparta at IX and Siete de Agosto at X, though, rather than the OP's order.

 

Note that I was talking the premium tier VIIIs there. The tech tree tier VIII is not a 50s design. The Nueva Esparta class was apparently based on the Battle class, direct predecessor of the Daring class. With a similar gun loadout as the latter, though a lot less torpedoes. So I would think it would fit better at X yet.

The Almirante Clemente I admit could probably be made to work. Since while it was a more modern design, it was also a rather small one and not as strong (but also cheaper in selling and maintenance cost, I presume) than its contemporaries that have made it to the game. Of course that raises the question of whether it should be used in general.

 

Vor 16 Stunden, TheKaramelka sagte:

Öland - 1948
De Zeven Provincien - 1953

Saipan - 1946

Pobeda - 1950
I cant say that this ship somehow ruing the balance

Öland was launched in '45, completed in '47. That is not the fifties.

De Zeven Provincien I kind of give you, launched in '50, completed in '53. Though it was laid down in '39, it just took so long to finish it due to the war.

USS Saipan was launched in '45, commissioned in '46. That is not the fifties.

Pobeda is mostly a fantasy product and never existed. Though the Soviets did indeed consider finishing the started Khronstadt hull they had as an aircraft carrier... in 1945. Again, that is not the fifties.

 

So three of the ships you mentioned actually PROVE my point. And the only exception that I have indeed forgotten only took until the fifties because the war delayed production for over five years. Otherwise, it would have been finished at around the same time as Saipan and Öland, if not sooner.