Dropping playernumbers

[Floofz]

25 minutes ago, mdjmcnally said:

Read the post above mine where saying about Cammo Flags, Signasl and and even stock ships.

 

Pointing out

 

Cammo makes no difference to ship

Flags make no difference

Signals not everyone awash for using them up

Stock ships ie no upgraded modules not everyone has Free XP to instantly upgrade

 

Isn't that difficult surely.

 

What is so extremely difficult for you and your buddies to understand that the combination of all those factors is usually a pretty clear indicator that you dont know how the game works? It is entirely irrelevant that camos and flags dont have any performance difference.

Also I really dont know why youre making such a gigantic deal out of this, as ColonelPete said, why does it matter?

[Figment]

13 hours ago, Floofz said:

What is so extremely difficult for you and your buddies to understand that the combination of all those factors is usually a pretty clear indicator that you dont know how the game works?

Because it's an obsolete notion. You judge people by standards that no longer apply. Hence, you're simply wrong for having that notion and we're pointing it out to you. :/ YOU are the one who doesn't know how the game works NOW, because you're basing your judgements on how the game USED TO work. The indicators you mention say absolutely nothing about current player quality, but it says a lot about you not being able to admit fault.

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It is entirely irrelevant that camos and flags dont have any performance difference.

It is however entirely relevant to whether or not you judge people regarding their performance in game, since they don't do anything to contribute to their performance at all anymore. If people want to save on silver, that's their call. If you want to go and underestimate them for that reason (making more silver than they would if they bought a camo - or for simply liking the rusty look), that's your perogative. But it's wrong.

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Also I really dont know why youre making such a gigantic deal out of this, as ColonelPete said, why does it matter?

Because you're wrong and this is the internet.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 15 Stunden, Floofz sagte:

the combination of all those factors is usually a pretty clear indicator that you dont know how the game works? It is entirely irrelevant that camos and flags dont have any performance difference.

So I am an idiot for not using something that has no impact on the game?

[SurfaceFish]

Flags ain't going to save you if/when you put yourself in a poor position to be farmed by the red ships. 

 

I don't use any combat flags in random. Don't see them making any difference to the outcomes 99% of the times. 

 

I also run most of all my ships Inc premiums without camos as I like the rusty looks. 

 

 

[TSD_87]

On 11/14/2022 at 11:29 PM, Floofz said:

 

What is so extremely difficult for you and your buddies to understand that the combination of all those factors is usually a pretty clear indicator that you dont know how the game works? It is entirely irrelevant that camos and flags dont have any performance difference.

Also I really dont know why youre making such a gigantic deal out of this, as ColonelPete said, why does it matter?

All I read here, is that it is pretty clear that you and your buddies missed a few updates:

- Works perfectly fine without flags, camos and the other stuff we can put on a boat

- If you think that that 1% extra fire change is gonna save you, you just dont understand how the game works.

- Other flags, like less chance of floodings etc do have a in-game value, and can be usefull

- Don't forget that some people never buy flags and camos (i'm running out of both as we speak)

 

You are the guy that removes his muffler from his Fiat Panda because it will go faster, and then put on a racing green wrap because it has racing in it.

Then you go online, and start complaining about people that still have their muffler on their Fiat Panda, and drive it with 0% [edited] given about the external looks.

 

Disclaimer: I had fun replying to this. Just about as much fun as I have playing WoWs.

[endlessBoogie]

Vor 28 Minuten, TSD_87 sagte:

Other flags, like less chance of floodings

I would love to get some of those... but i guess those are only for absolute pros

[NewHorizons_1]

23 hours ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

So I am an idiot for not using something that has no impact on the game?

Yeah.

Only a complete muppet, like me, would sell all their purely cosmetic camouflages for financial gain.

When I see ships equipped with expendable camos I now think

1. Player isn't aware they no longer have any effect at all
2. Player has plenty of credits, so they've no reason to sell them.

[TSD_87]

1 hour ago, endlessBoogie said:

I would love to get some of those... but i guess those are only for absolute pros

See how much I use flags signals, besides mounting them based on color and location.

 

I ment the one that reduces the time a fire or flood is going on your boat, those might have some actual impact (more health per heal maybe too).

[Karasu_Browarszky]

23 hours ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

So I am an idiot for not using something that has no impact on the game?

 

It seems you are not willing to spend on cosmetic items which may disappoint the WG marketing department.

 

Update on my situation, yesterday I failed to log in on both my accounts. Not due to technical reasons, I just didn't feel I could be ****ed to do it.

[Captain_82]

9 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

yesterday I failed to log in on both my accounts. Not due to technical reasons, I just didn't feel I could be ****ed to do it.

 

Sounds familiar (last Thursday).

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 17 Stunden, Karasu_Hidesuke sagte:

Update on my situation, yesterday I failed to log in on both my accounts. Not due to technical reasons, I just didn't feel I could be ****ed to do it.

Win10 has Jigsaw Puzzle built in. Much better game than WoWs.

[COPlUM]

21 hours ago, TSD_87 said:

- If you think that that 1% extra fire change is gonna save you, you just dont understand how the game works.

- Other flags, like less chance of floodings etc do have a in-game value, and can be usefull

You're supposed to put flags on ships where you get good value out of them.
+15% smoke duration people think is trash but it allows UK CLs to panic smoke and not drift out, they're a straight 15% buff for italian cruiser gimmick and anything else with crawling/running smoke.
1% fire chance flag you're making fun of is actually 20% more fires if you put it on a DD with 5% base fire chance, 1% translates to 40% more fires even on something like akizuki IFHE build.
You're making fun of the flag that improves your heal by 20%, that flag adds about 15K HP to a T10 BB if you manage to get through all five of your heals, which is not hard and almost guaranteed on Ohio for example.

[Floofz]

On 11/15/2022 at 1:22 PM, Figment said:

Because it's an obsolete notion. You judge people by standards that no longer apply. Hence, you're simply wrong for having that notion and we're pointing it out to you. :/ YOU are the one who doesn't know how the game works NOW, because you're basing your judgements on how the game USED TO work. The indicators you mention say absolutely nothing about current player quality, but it says a lot about you not being able to admit fault.

 

Omg youre a perfect presentation of the current playerbase, thicker than a bag of concrete. Dude one of the reasons I came back to warships again after my absense was the cosmetic changes, something Ive been asking for for a long time. This is now the second time I tell you that I KNOW that cosmetics doesnt have any performance difference, that WASNT MY POINT. Can you get that throu your thick skull for once?

I said, not using a large part of the game is USUALLY an indictator that you dont know how the game works. For the same exact reason people who play world of warcraft and dont use the transmog system are usually bad players. I didnt say it was evidence, I said it was an indicator.

 

On 11/15/2022 at 1:22 PM, Figment said:

It is however entirely relevant to whether or not you judge people regarding their performance in game, since they don't do anything to contribute to their performance at all anymore. If people want to save on silver, that's their call. If you want to go and underestimate them for that reason (making more silver than they would if they bought a camo - or for simply liking the rusty look), that's your perogative. But it's wrong.

 

Flags do not cost silver. If people wanna save on signals then I have to question their intelligence. If they want to save on Camos, flags and signals at the same time, then I question their knowledge of the game.

 

On 11/15/2022 at 1:22 PM, Figment said:

Because you're wrong and this is the internet.

 

An oppinion can never be wrong. A statement can be wrong.

[Taliesn]

1 hour ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

Win10 has Jigsaw Puzzle built in. Much better game than WoWs.

 

But tougher.

[TSD_87]

25 minutes ago, Floofz said:

I said, not using a large part of the game is USUALLY an indictator that you dont know how the game works. For the same exact reason people who play world of warcraft and dont use the transmog system are usually bad players. I didnt say it was evidence, I said it was an indicator.

 

Why can't we see your stats, I really am wondering with what level of unicum player we are dealing with here.

You know it all so well, must be bright purple on everthing!

[Floofz]

4 minutes ago, TSD_87 said:

 

Why can't we see your stats, I really am wondering with what level of unicum player we are dealing with here.

You know it all so well, must be bright purple on everthing!

 

I hid the stats a few months ago because I was thinking itd make me a bit more motivated to play randoms solo but it didnt really so I can probably unhide them again

 

Now you should be able to see it

[TSD_87]

22 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

I hid the stats a few months ago because I was thinking itd make me a bit more motivated to play randoms solo but it didnt really so I can probably unhide them again

 

I'm just messing around - really not a good player myself.

 

1 hour ago, COPlUM said:

You're supposed to put flags on ships where you get good value out of them.
+15% smoke duration people think is trash but it allows UK CLs to panic smoke and not drift out, they're a straight 15% buff for italian cruiser gimmick and anything else with crawling/running smoke.
1% fire chance flag you're making fun of is actually 20% more fires if you put it on a DD with 5% base fire chance, 1% translates to 40% more fires even on something like akizuki IFHE build.
You're making fun of the flag that improves your heal by 20%, that flag adds about 15K HP to a T10 BB if you manage to get through all five of your heals, which is not hard and almost guaranteed on Ohio for example.

Ok, maths is not my strongest point, just don't see how 1% fire chance flag gives you 20% more fires. Shouldnt it be a 20% more flag flag then?!

 

 

Anyway, back on point.

 

Dropping player levels, is something I notice too within my friends - all of them used too play with me.

Most of them just stopped because some stupid mechanics, or the release of some game they find more enjoying.

Then there is me, that is still playing on a daily basis - do I play because I always enjoy the game? Hell no! 

I just can't mentally take the loss of my account being full of premiums and then just quit using/playing the game.

 

Somehow, WG does something with my mind (I think the southpark episode about freemium is on point here) that I feel like getting that next ship even if it sucks. I bought the Roma just for the looks.

 

There is no other game (i.e. Call of Duty, Warzone) where I spent money on while the base is free.

 

All in all, the dropping player numbers must be a combination of multiple factors;

- Changing mechanics

- New release games, other genres but AAAAA titles

- Getting kids, less time to play

- The "it's a new game" factor is long gone

- WG reputation proceeding itself

 

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, TSD_87 said:

 

I'm just messing around - really not a good player myself.

 

Ok, maths is not my strongest point, just don't see how 1% fire chance flag gives you 20% more fires. Shouldnt it be a 20% more flag flag then?!

 

When you have a fire chance of 5% and the signal increases the fire chance to 6% then your fire chance increased by (6-5)/5=20%.

[COPlUM]

17 minutes ago, TSD_87 said:

I'm just messing around - really not a good player myself.

Ok, maths is not my strongest point, just don't see how 1% fire chance flag gives you 20% more fires. Shouldnt it be a 20% more flag flag then?!

The reason 1% more fire chance is actually 20% more fire chance or even 40% more fire chance on some ships is this :
Every shell landed with an akizuki has 5% chance to start a fire, the flag adds 1%. So now it's 6%, that's 20% more fires over the course of a match, not 1%.
Akizuki IFHE build has 2.5% chance to start a fire, flag adds 1%. So now it's 3.5%, that's 40% more fires over the course of a match, not 1%

 

You have now tried to statshame someone who revealed his stats and made you weasel out, called someone stupid for not understanding what combat signals do, while demonstrating you don't understand what combat signals do. May I humbly suggest just taking the L here

[TSD_87]

31 minutes ago, COPlUM said:

The reason 1% more fire chance is actually 20% more fire chance or even 40% more fire chance on some ships is this :
Every shell landed with an akizuki has 5% chance to start a fire, the flag adds 1%. So now it's 6%, that's 20% more fires over the course of a match, not 1%.
Akizuki IFHE build has 2.5% chance to start a fire, flag adds 1%. So now it's 3.5%, that's 40% more fires over the course of a match, not 1%

Thank you so much for the calculations on fire chances, much appreciated.

 

We can confim that certain signals improve your overall gameplay experience.

 

31 minutes ago, COPlUM said:

You have now tried to statshame someone who revealed his stats and made you weasel out, called someone stupid for not understanding what combat signals do, while demonstrating you don't understand what combat signals do. May I humbly suggest just taking the L here

Please quote me saying that I think Floofz is stupid, I did not say that.

 

 

Also, why would I take this so called loss? I'm not stat shaming Floofz, I just said that someone with this much knowledge must be a pro.

After my remark, he replied why we could not see his stats too which I replied, I'm just messing around - not a perfect player either.

Apparently he opened it up and edited his post, from what you think I am statshaming and now need to take my loss?

[COPlUM]

4 minutes ago, TSD_87 said:

Thank you so much for the calculations on fire chances, much appreciated.

I'm not stat shaming Floofz, I just said that someone with this much knowledge must be a pro.

I didn't call anyone stupid

My pleasure
You said he's hidden profile and must be hiding some dank purple stats, sarcasm is obvious
Correct, you said someone 'does not understand the game' if they slot combat signals like 1% fire chance
By taking the L I don't mean piss off. Joining a discussion, being very convinced everyone else is wrong, realizing you were wrong and being able to accept you were wrong is a good thing, most people can't do it, congratulations, you're probably an adult.

[TSD_87]

3 minutes ago, COPlUM said:

My pleasure
You said he's hidden profile and must be hiding some dank purple stats, sarcasm is obvious
Correct, you said someone 'does not understand the game' if they slot combat signals like 1% fire chance
 By taking the L I don't mean piss off. Joining a discussion, being very convinced everyone else is wrong, realizing you were wrong and being able to accept you were wrong is a good thing, most people can't do it, congratulations, you're probably an adult.

 

I was indeed wrong on the signals.

 

My suggestion is we go back to the "dropping player levels", instead of all the other discussions going on here (that I might or might not have contributed too).  

[COPlUM]

1 minute ago, TSD_87 said:

My suggestion is we go back to the "dropping player levels", instead of all the other discussions going on here (that I might or might not have contributed too).  

Covid lockdowns are finished, schoolyear started, I posted the correlation between these things and player numbers on page 3 (post #53)
Player numbers are down for the same reason player numbers in every other video game are down and netflix subscriptions are down, people can leave their house now.

[Shaka_D]

On 11/16/2022 at 12:51 PM, NewHorizons_1 said:

Yeah.

Only a complete muppet, like me, would sell all their purely cosmetic camouflages for financial gain.

When I see ships equipped with expendable camos I now think

1. Player isn't aware they no longer have any effect at all
2. Player has plenty of credits, so they've no reason to sell them.

And….ships look better as their vanilla selves  as opposed to being all painted up with some nonsense #frostyfircamosucks

[NewHorizons_1]

17 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

And….ships look better as their vanilla selves  as opposed to being all painted up with some nonsense #frostyfircamosucks

The players I cannot understand are those that equipped Frosty Fir ** on premium ships ... before the economic rework.

 

** Have also seen Five Epochs and other reward perma camos on premiums too.