Dropping playernumbers

[MarChil]

Just now, AtaIante said:

If you want such a detailed look then only WG has the numbers. But you can clearly see effects of covid in the overall playernumbers which cant be denied therefore you dont need to see it in absolute detail as such a spike as covid hits provides the proof in itself that it was the cause. To deny this would be a little weird as we can also easily spot spikes during anniversary, Christmas,  holidays and falls after all those events. Its very consistent. 

 

So you asking for very detailed numbers is at this point just trying to dig out that one thing you can actually attempt to attack. Covid ending of course leads to numbers falling as did a certain political event. You can see that in the overall numbers very clearly happening on the appropriate dates. Look it up yourself. Statistics can be manipulated after all and i dont want you to accuse me of doing it 

Attack, accuse... All I ask for is a bit of clarity and substantiation of claims made by WG. Please don't act so boorishly blunt about it, there's no need. 

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, MarChil said:

I might be wrong, but as far as I was reading it, we are talking about new players, COVID-only players, 'migration' players from Russia. I'm sorry if I did not make you catch my take on the whole thing. Starting to instant accuse me of fallacies is a not a sign of good intention. 

We are talking about player numbers. And since you were replying to me, I was defintely talking about player numbers. And one can look these up over the API.

And if one are really interested, one can even look up when an account made its first battle and what accounts were active during a certain time (minus the hidden ones, but these are few).

[COPlUM]

33 minutes ago, Ocrooch said:

Correlation does not imply causation. We just do not know. No way to check this!

*we just don't know* => *I just don't know*



Everything you could do from home was up by as much as 40% - Playing videogames specifically was up by 23% worldwide. Now that humans are allowed to leave their basements again, companies like netflix, facebook and twitter are taking a beating, their stock price was overvalued during covid and there's an ongoing correction/normalization.

[COPlUM]

7 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

But you can clearly see effects of covid in the overall playernumbers which cant be denied therefore you dont need to see it in absolute detail

I posted the worldwide surge in people playing video games and the subsequent correction post-covid, the only way to keep saying *players down solely because game BAD* at this point is deny that world of warships is in fact a videogame. Which I'm sure someone will do before we reach page 4

[MarChil]

10 minutes ago, COPlUM said:

is deny that world of warships is in fact a videogame.

Its a social experiment. Are we on page 4 jet?

 

15 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And since you were replying to me, I was defintely talking about player numbers.

True and reading back I should have made it clear that I was referring more broadly, my fault. 

 

See, correcting someone can be done without being blunt about it. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, MarChil said:

Its a social experiment. Are we on page 4 jet?

 

True and reading back I should have made it clear that I was referring more broadly, my fault. 

 

See, correcting someone can be done without being blunt about it. 

Do you see the general tone of this forum? Its so difficult to find people who want to discuss and talk in a more relaxed way that one assumes a more aggressive stand by default. 

And with that said if you are truly interested then you will try to find the information yourself and present evidence of claims yourself instead if asking others without clarifying to well and then criticizing them when they get annoyed that they have to do this work for you.

 

Of course I will be replying to you in an annoyed manner.

[WorthyOpponent]

Look, people, I get it, you guys don't like the recent changes. Neither do I, you guys think of quitting or quit, so did I, your friends are quitting and that makes you sad, so did mine. 

But, the thing is, this entire conversation is worthless. Even if we were in a theoretical situation where the player numbers were down by 50%, just remind yourself that World of Warplanes is still up and running. WG will not shut this game down regardless of if the player numbers go down or not. The entire "players are leaving" point is only brought up to say "See? Game go bad, me right". You don't need that, you can formulate your own opinions and reasons why you dislike changes without bringing up data you don't even fully know. 

[MarChil]

16 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

Do you see the general tone of this forum?

I do and I choose not to address players in a similar manner. WG, yes. Other players, no. 

 

16 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

that one assumes a more aggressive stand by default.

Don't, I find it bad for one's attitude in general.

 

16 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

and then criticizing them when they get annoyed that they have to do this work for you.

I know it is in vain, but somewhere, burried deep inside me, there is the hope that a WG employee with dignity, good intentions and a willingness to be open reads it and decides to give players a honest and true take on their view of their numbers. I am a bit of hopeless optimist, I know.

If you felt personally addressed, I apologize, I had no intention to do that.   

 

Edit: I can see why you react the way you do, it is not that WG-staff gives a very good example of how to seriously answer questions. It's not like they get payed for it or anything.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Somewhat similar for me. Bit like Fallout, bit like WoWP (WoFH).

 

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Quality! Console command, or bug?

 

(Skyrim has been another of my recent refuges from submarines...)

[Yosha_AtaIante]

7 minutes ago, MarChil said:

I am a bit of hopeless optimist, I know.

the issue I have is that you assume to much good in people and companies. The times of "players first" are long gone.

You are considered not a player but a ressource and if you pay then you are a paying ressource. Once you understand that position and it's more realistic view and then try to think with the eyes and practices the harvesters in this case these companies employ only then you will kind of be able to understand that your morals are used against you and that you being upset is not an obstacle at all. You are being used to monetize the game even if you dont pay by being an opponent to players who will after losing to you feel the need to upgrade somehow. Basically even while protesting as long as you participate in any way you help them achieve their goals. And they have very detailed numbers about their goals and how well they are currently doing. WG is releasing new content with such confidence that it should at some point start to make you wonder "Am I actually overlooking something? What is it that makes them so confident?"

 

You have to look at other more successful companies than WG who do even worse things to their gaming communities to understand that WG is one if the better ones. And that is only possible if you are willing to look past optimistic hopes. You have to go and observe from all angles.

[MarChil]

11 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

the issue I have is that you assume to much good in people and companies.

Fully aware, guilty and unwilling to darken my world because they decide to be dishonest.

 

11 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

What is it that makes them so confident?

Condescending arrogance? Knuckleheaded stubborness? Ignorant incompetence? There are a number of options.

 

11 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

to understand that WG is one if the better ones

Being the lesser of evils doesn't make you less evil. (that should go on a tile)

 

Edit: tldr Because some of my fellow glorified apes decide to de-evolve does not mean I should accept and follow their lead. WG (yes, and others) are counting on conditioning us to their (highly questionable) morals, but I have no intention of following along. 

 

Although I am aware that WG will never admit, I will keep calling them out, challenging them and demanding answers. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

14 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Quality! Console command, or bug?

 

(Skyrim has been another of my recent refuges from submarines...)

 

I blame it on a conflict with mods.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, MarChil said:

Fully aware, guilty and unwilling to darken my world because they decide to be dishonest.

 

Condescending arrogance? Knuckleheaded stubborness? Ignorant incompetence? There are a number of options.

 

Being the lesser of evils doesn't make you less evil. (that should go on a tile)

What im offering you is to understand that WG wants you to think the way you do, to come here to this forum to express yourself as you do as then you are locked. You will be locked into thinking that they simply are bad boys, that you talking on their forum, their controlled platform about them will stay mostly here, the energy you invest happens in their courtyard while they serve you "drinks and a cake" (by not moderating). WG wants you to waste that energy you have against them here instead of investing the same energy in other activities not tied to them. The more you participate even if in a negative way the better for them as you interact with them, within a small controlled group of people.

 

Wake up and go past that, understand that WG is manipulating you right now and that they want you to if not play the game, use your time to complain about the game.

Bette than you using the time you spend here on other games and on spending on other games or activities. The more energy you leave here complaining the less you have to research ways of actually fighting the root issue which is the normalization of predatory monetization EVERYWHERE.

 

Yes WG being lesser evil is still evil. But evil is being normalized right  now in this moment and fighting the single brach that is WG won't hurt the whole tree and its roots which you should be looking at instead 

[MarChil]

2 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

What im offering you is to understand that WG wants you to think the way you do, to come here to this forum to express yourself as you do as then you are locked. You will be locked into thinking that they simply are bad boys, that you talking on their forum, their controlled platform about them will stay mostly here, the energy you invest happens in their courtyard while they serve you "drinks and a cake" (by not moderating). WG wants you to waste that energy you have against them here instead of investing the same energy in other activities not tied to them. The more you participate even if in a negative way the better for them as you interact with them, within a small controlled group of people.

 

Wake up and go past that, understand that WG is manipulating you right now and that they want you to if not play the game, use your time to complain about the game.

Bette than you using the time you spend here on other games and on spending on other games or activities. The more energy you leave here complaining the less you have to research ways of actually fighting the root issue which is the normalization of predatory monetization EVERYWHERE.

 

Yes WG being lesser evil is still evil. But evil is being normalized right  now in this moment and fighting the single brach that is WG won't hurt the whole tree and its roots which you should be looking at instead 

Wise words that everyone should read and understand and I thank you for looking out for my wellbeing.

 

I fight the battles within my (very limited) circle of influence. And yes, I keep an eye on the time spend here. But like most people, I to need a vent. To bad for WG that it happens to be them, could have been so many others. And who knows, a wonder might happen and I might one day make a tiny and insignificant difference in this insignificant corner. One is allowed to dream after all. 

 

take care.

 

  

[Dampfboot]

23 hours ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

The real issue is the almost complete transformation from "decently skilled and motivated players" into "utterly incompetent and oblivious cashcows".

True unfortunately. Same as with Lego, they only care about new customers and [edited]the existing customer base.

[Hirohito]

1 hour ago, COPlUM said:

Now that humans are allowed to leave their basements again, companies like netflix, facebook and twitter are taking a beating, their stock price was overvalued during covid and there's an ongoing correction/normalization.

Nonsense, the whole stock market (including non-tech sectors, tech sectors that have little to do with covid, and even non-stock assets like crypto) are following the same pattern.
Some flatter, some spikier, but overall the same downwards pattern from a record high around mid- to late 2021.
This isn't an isolated case for game- and online entertainment companies.

[AgarwaenME]

23 hours ago, Europizza said:

10 'playernumbers'

20 insert troll comments

30 end loop

 

but.. that's not a loop =(

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Nonsense, the whole stock market (including non-tech sectors, tech sectors that have little to do with covid, and even non-stock assets like crypto) are following the same pattern.
Some flatter, some spikier, but overall the same downwards pattern from a record high around mid- to late 2021.
This isn't an isolated case for game- and online entertainment companies.

Which is also caused by the sideeffects of Covid (disruption of supply chain, disruption of energy supply).

[Hirohito]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Which is also caused by the sideeffects of Covid (disruption of supply chain, disruption of energy supply).

Higher interest rates especially, but yeah, it's an economy-wide phenomenon at this point.
A quick search shows that it has hit stock market indexes ranging from the US, to Europe and Asia pretty equally, with a very similar shape in the curves around the same timelines.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, AgarwaenME said:

 

but.. that's not a loop =(

 

Is it a spiral?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, AgarwaenME said:

 

but.. that's not a loop =(

You must be new here. 

[Floofz]

12 hours ago, Figment said:

There's no need to use camos anymore, so it's irrelevant to the combination. It's been pointed, you acknowledge it kinda, but then you double down on an invalidated combination. That doesn't make it a better argument, it just means you're bad at handling criticism/corrections and are determined to stick to a view.

 

Its like you think I dont know that camos are only visual nowadays... What I said wasnt an argument, it was an oppinion, or a theory. One that I still hold. Im not gonna explain this further to a bunch of people who obviously get off on arguing for pointless reasons.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

7 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

Its like you think I dont know that camos are only visual nowadays... What I said wasnt an argument, it was an oppinion, or a theory. One that I still hold. Im not gonna explain this further to a bunch of people who obviously get off on arguing for pointless reasons.

 

You must be new here too.

[mdjmcnally]

17 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

What has this to do with the topic?

Read the post above mine where saying about Cammo Flags, Signasl and and even stock ships.

 

Pointing out

 

Cammo makes no difference to ship

Flags make no difference

Signals not everyone awash for using them up

Stock ships ie no upgraded modules not everyone has Free XP to instantly upgrade

 

Isn't that difficult surely.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, mdjmcnally said:

Isn't that difficult surely.

If you had quoted him...

It looked like this was your contribution to the topic...