Battle Pass: Play and Earn Rewards!

[The_EURL_Guy]

We're adding a new way to get rewards throughout each Update by completing free and Premium reward chains.

Read it on the portal

[Kenny_Gee]

Battle Pass, Oh my god what will Wow's do to grab more money, I already pay for a premium account, if i want the extra goodies i have to pay more, over the last 12 month's my interest has waned in this game from playing 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, to probably playing 2-3 games a day as I'm sick and tired of the money grabber's ruining the game, Sub's what a laugh, getting rid of the usefulness of camo's, you gain no benefit now so hardly any bother with them. This game is slowly and surely killing off its own fan base.

 

[Yamashiro42]

@YabbaCoe pls let the image for the free rewards in the article get fixed, it shows 36 "more camouflages" containers, instead of "more signals":

https://wows-wowsp-global.gcdn.co/media/ceph-image/f7decd6c-5924-11ed-9ec9-ac162d70f4e4.jpg

 

edit: same issue with another image

https://wows-wowsp-global.gcdn.co/media/ceph-image/f7eff0ec-5924-11ed-be36-ac162d70f4e4.jpg

 

and another one

https://wows-wowsp-global.gcdn.co/media/ceph-image/f8b61312-5924-11ed-8b35-ac162d70f4e4.jpg

[Smeggo]

Just to be sure - a premium battle pass lasts for a whole patch, only the missions are renewed every day/week? 

[YabbaCoe]

33 minutes ago, Kenny_Gee said:

Battle Pass, Oh my god what will Wow's do to grab more money, I already pay for a premium account, if i want the extra goodies i have to pay more, over the last 12 month's my interest has waned in this game from playing 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, to probably playing 2-3 games a day as I'm sick and tired of the money grabber's ruining the game, Sub's what a laugh, getting rid of the usefulness of camo's, you gain no benefit now so hardly any bother with them. This game is slowly and surely killing off its own fan base.

 

But you don't need to purchase the premium Battle Pass, only if you want to.

Everybody still have the option to just use the Free Battle Pass and to get rewards in similar value as it was in updates prior to 0.11.10.

 

2 minutes ago, Yamashiro42 said:

@YabbaCoe pls let the image for the free rewards in the article get fixed, it shows 36 "more camouflages" containers, instead of "more signals":

https://wows-wowsp-global.gcdn.co/media/ceph-image/f7decd6c-5924-11ed-9ec9-ac162d70f4e4.jpg

Oh damn, true. I will report that to my colleagues for correction. 

[DanSilverwing]

As far as this initial Battle Pass goes I think it's well-balanced, with more advantages than disadvantages. That we have 35 days in this patch cycle compared to a normal 28 means the comparison between 35-days worth of "old" daily combat mission chains versus the new BP rewards means the BP rewards are very less generous.

 

Immediately a f2p player is going to notice the loss of daily XP, Free XP, and Commander XP. Under the old system we'd get 17,500 Ship XP, 17,000 Free XP, and 35,000 Commander XP. We now get zero, 5k fxp, and 10k cxp respectively. Not to mention the drop from 3.5m credits to 1.5m credits.

 

I would have liked Wargaming to treat all players fairly by compensating the loss of Ship XP with a commensurate amount of Free XP (because, why not), but instead we are tempted to look at the Premium Pass: all the free rewards plus an additional 50,000 Free XP! 145,000 Elite Commander XP! 6 million credits! 1,800 Steel! 25,500 Coal! And you can buy the Premium Pass at any time to unlock all previous rewards for only 2,500 Doubloons! And you don't need to play every day, you can get 490 Points playing more casually. Of course it's value for money, at this entry-level price.

 

However while Wargaming have explicitly promised that the rewards will not be any less generous in the future there is no promise about not increasing the price of the Premium Pass. So I'm fully expecting many players, including my thrifty self, to buy the Premium Pass this cycle, which will feedback to a big success, pat on the back, and maybe a performance bonus. Then an immediate price increase when Marketing look at the potential returns.

 

So, looking ahead to that future, I hate that you've taken away my low-effort dailies. But you've given me back the freedom to play the ships I want to, when I want to, and the freedom to not play as much if I choose.

 

P.S. I have read other comments about only playing to get the first container, and then logging off, and I wonder how common that will be. I predict this Battle Pass system will result in lower engagement, and if so you may want to consider rewarding more engagement, for example perhaps by adding a 4th free daily container on reaching a more advanced XP target. Didn't we use to get only 2? I can't remember. I can see the post-progression rewards for  the Premium track are quite attractive, so again good value for money if you want to maximise. But the free track post-progression is frankly bad. Chuck in a More Coal container and it's not only more attractive it also directly compensates the loss of the old 400 Coal available from the Daily Chain.

 

 

[Aragathor]

I find the lack of the ship flag on the Tokachi package disappointing. It feels like WG will want to double dip and sell it later as a shop item in a bundle.

[Anymn]

There is a mistake in the title of the article. It reads "Battle Pass: Play and Earn Rewards!". However when I read the article, it sounds more like "Battle Pass: Pay and Earn Rewards!".

[Cheeky_chappie]

I didn't think i would buy the BP when the first info came out, but for once i'm pleasantly surprised. The extra stuff added and the ship at the end are well worth the 2500 dubs.

I do have a question tho. With each BP lasting about a month will there be a new premium ship as a reward for each new season or is it going to be the same one for a few seasons? If it is the latter what is the compensation if for example i get the Tokachi this season and then reach her next season too? Dubs or creds?

[Shepke]

1 hour ago, DanSilverwing said:

So, looking ahead to that future, I hate that you've taken away my low-effort dailies. But you've given me back the freedom to play the ships I want to, when I want to, and the freedom to not play as much if I choose.

What? You mean slavery instead freedom, isnt it?

Before, i can grab some coal just doing some first daily mission (or do it whole but i grab some coal guaranteed). Now, just for first coal pack i need grind 14! full daily chains! 

I am playing coop only (seldom scenarios), so i need to grind (daily chain in coop its about 2 hours in my pace) a half of month for just 3000 coal ( pathetic 214 coal per day)..

Moreover, if i (for some reasons - for example freedom you`ve spoken about) will not play this half month (just occasional sessions) - i will end up with zero coal easily.

Bravo!

[Sir_Sinksalot]

I feel you WG devs got this BP offering a bit wrong. I'm not bothered by it and think adding BP is a nice addition. Thing is though.

 

In WoT, the BP offering doesn't screw the non-premium BP guy by completely denying him/her the ability to obtain the BP vehicle/vehicles at some point over time. They will not be able to obtain enough BP tokens during the first or maybe even not the second season of BP with a non-premium BP account but eventually they will get enough tokens for what will be an "out of season" and "old news" BP vehicle at some stage so in that regards it's a much fairer offering.

 

I can only guess the thinking behind this WoWS offering is that in this game there's no special or bounty equipment so the only real attraction to entice players is the premium ship but it's just a T7 and just one single ship choice. So this means if a player's not interested in cruisers, T7 or Japanese cruisers then buying the premium BP pass option is still very questionable.

 

Perhaps having a reward ship choice of every class would have covered the difference between WoT special and bounty equipment and of at least a tier 8 but who knows I can only speak for myself. If there was a nice new BB then that would entice me. If there was a nice new DD or CV, that would entice other players with those preferences, you get the point, the more choice, the bigger the amount of appeal that would encompass.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

3 hours ago, The_EURL_Guy said:

We're adding a new way to get rewards throughout each Update by completing free and Premium reward chains.

Read it on the portal

Trying the premium version with dubloons from the birthday containers - like it already.

[DanSilverwing]

1 hour ago, Shepke said:

What? You mean slavery instead freedom, isnt it?

Before, i can grab some coal just doing some first daily mission (or do it whole but i grab some coal guaranteed). Now, just for first coal pack i need grind 14! full daily chains! 

I am playing coop only (seldom scenarios), so i need to grind (daily chain in coop its about 2 hours in my pace) a half of month for just 3000 coal ( pathetic 214 coal per day)..

Moreover, if i (for some reasons - for example freedom you`ve spoken about) will not play this half month (just occasional sessions) - i will end up with zero coal easily.

Bravo!

Let's work with your example.

 

In the previous incarnation you needed to play your first battle for the ship XP, three combat missions for the first 200 Coal, and all six combat missions for the full 400 Coal (and the Steel). The first set with 1750 base XP requirement could easily be done, in four battles. Right? Six if you got unlucky. The second set would take longer (took me an average of nine battles, but that's quick enough), with all six daily chains requiring a minimum of 5,350 base XP.

 

If you played every day and completed the first set only you were grinding 2,000 base XP per day and getting 5,600 Coal per update (28 days of 200 Coal).

 

If you maintain that same level of playing you'll be getting three BP points every day, and grinding enough base XP for the first four weekly missions, so 63 points every week.

 

We have five weeks in this cycle, so that's enough BP points for 32 levels. You get 3,000 Coal at Level 15 and another 3,000 Coal at Level 25. Under the previous system you would have got 7,000 Coal in 35 days, so yes, you can argue that you're hard done by. But you were so close to Level 35 which would have given you an additional 4,000 Coal! Just 25 points short of 340.

 

Obviously it's more rewarding to try to complete a chain of missions. I don't think it's realistic to play every day but so casually, unless all you wanted is the 200 Coal and the first free Container.  Everyone is going to have to set their own goals to work towards. And the way we're already having to process this information and work out what we need to do reminds me strongly of the first Dockyard event with Puerto Rico.

 

Another way of looking at it is this: if you can do three Daily Chains each week for 30 points then you'll be getting enough Base XP to complete the 4 out of 6 Weekly missions as well. That's 350 points this cycle, or Level 36. You'll just have to find a balance that works for you.

 

1 hour ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

I can only guess the thinking behind this WoWS offering is that in this game there's no special or bounty equipment so the only real attraction to entice players is the premium ship but it's just a T7 and just one single ship choice. So this means if a player's not interested in cruisers, T7 or Japanese cruisers then buying the premium BP pass option is still very questionable.

It's possible we are not the intended market for the Battle Pass. I have plenty of IJN  Premiums and Tier 7 no longer interests me much. But how about New players? I remember looking at getting Nelson as my first high-tier Premium ship (technically Varyag was my first, and Graf Spee my first "proper" Premium, but you take my point), but I had to work for her. A New player without many resources will look at Tokachi and be tempted. For only 2500 Doubloons they get a "high-tier" Premium ship AND a decent amount of various currencies to boost their grind with only entry-level requirements. It's a clever way to break that initial resistance to spending money. I can't condemn a business for that.

 

Obviously the special rewards are linked to the current Event (Early Access and Black Friday) so who knows what might be offered in the future or for what price. If it's a Premium Submarine then no-way. A Premium Tier VII Ship Container, maybe (thankfully we're not getting Tier 7 Premium Submarines any time soon to mess with the drop list).

 

Personally, I'm quite motivated to play right now with another 7 days of Premium Time left to help my grinding, and another 41 days on tap from un-redeemed rewards. So as I'm playing enough to complete all the Daily Chains and claim all three free Containers I could be looking at all 750 Points. That's 26 post-progression rewards. With the Premium track I could be looking at an extra:

 

51,500 Coal

1,800 Steel

1,800 Research Bureau Points

7 million credits

50,000 Free XP

140,000 Elite Commander XP

and Tokachi

 

Before Clan bonuses. And not counting all the Signals and Economic bonuses (26x Rare Bonuses Containers from post-progression). It's good value for me for this cycle. The Dubs were free anyway.

 

I want to see WG do a better offering for the basic track in the future though.

[Shepke]

4 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

If you played every day

But i wont play every day. Or BP for "nolifers" not players?

7 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

If you maintain that same level of playing

I dont want it, i want do it like in your quote

3 hours ago, DanSilverwing said:

the freedom to play the ships I want to, when I want to, and the freedom to not play as much if I choose.

 so, i want to play only at weekends.. How much it will be? approx. 120 point per month? Great, what it will be, lets see - 8 signals boxes,  5 common bonuses boxes, 8 special bonuses boxes, 5k FXP, 10k CXP, 100k silver, 1 port slot... Wow, generous indeed! But no coal, no steel, no RP (in other words - say good bye to freemiums)..   

[DanSilverwing]

9 minutes ago, Shepke said:

 so, i want to play only at weekends.. How much it will be? approx. 120 point per month? Great, what it will be, lets see - 8 signals boxes,  5 common bonuses boxes, 8 special bonuses boxes, 5k FXP, 10k CXP, 100k silver, 1 port slot... Wow, generous indeed! But no coal, no steel, no RP (in other words - say good bye to freemiums)..   

So if you play on both Saturday and Sunday only, in co-op, to complete all six Daily combat missions (which more people are now looking at doing because of the victory requirements) that's enough Base XP to easily complete the first three Weekly missions. 50 points per week for five weeks. Which gets you to Level 26 and the 6,000 Coal. Plus 2 Slots, 300 Steel and 300 RPs. 

[WeeFilly]

Battle Pass? Hard pass!

 

[nightcrow82]

Where are daily missions for coal, steel etc?

 

[Waterratje]

6 hours ago, Smeggo said:

Just to be sure - a premium battle pass lasts for a whole patch, only the missions are renewed every day/week? 

I havent seen any reply! Does that mean that you have to pay every month 2500 doubloons to get a premium BP, or every year, or every update?

Anybody???

[nightcrow82]

9 minutes ago, Waterratje said:

I havent seen any reply! Does that mean that you have to pay every month 2500 doubloons to get a premium BP, or every year, or every update?

Anybody???

Probably for this one only, cause, on WOT(Tank game) you also have BP but it lasts 3 months, and has 3 stages and every stage is 2500 gold, during witch you collect some tokens to get some "special" tanks, so this one is probably for this BP, 35 days until next one

[johncl]

just play 4 free .........simples

[WeeFilly]

14 minutes ago, johncl said:

just play 4 free .........simples

Why? I just won't play, that's way simpler...

[rainmakerltu]

Instead of driving players in a one line (linear games losing popularity nowadays, don't you agree? It is more valued when player is given a choice - how to complete a mission or what reward to take) and giving everyone one and the same ship, a pool of ships could be made to choose from.

 

I, for example, do not like Japan ships, I collect and acquire US and USSR ships mostly. So as reward I'd like to add something to my existing collection.

 

Of course different people would like to get different ships, and different tier ships. So, lets say for a small fee you can take to your harbor any ship which is tier higher than the one guaranteed to every BP user. If you fancy a lower tier ship than BP guaranteed ship, you can get small cashback (a compensation) of gold and the ship then. Or you just take the ship, which given away for everyone, without juggling the gold.

 

Fair? Fair.

 

Hm? How's that sound? Alternative is always good thing, I believe.

 

Now why I suspect, nobody wants my advice how to improve game? WG knows better what player wants...

[WildWind84]

11 hours ago, Kenny_Gee said:

Battle Pass, Oh my god what will Wow's do to grab more money, I already pay for a premium account, if i want the extra goodies i have to pay more, over the last 12 month's my interest has waned in this game from playing 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, to probably playing 2-3 games a day as I'm sick and tired of the money grabber's ruining the game, Sub's what a laugh, getting rid of the usefulness of camo's, you gain no benefit now so hardly any bother with them. This game is slowly and surely killing off its own fan base.

 

Whole day I ask myself for what then I buy premium account? Is now became better to have that battle pass then premium account? Again logic missing...

[WildWind84]

4 hours ago, nightcrow82 said:

Where are daily missions for coal, steel etc?

 

This is what  me at same start today - where are my missions??!! FXP, Bonuses, coal, steel, research points???

[nightcrow82]

Maybe a dumb question, but i just realised, where is T7 Omono from the new light japanesse cruiser line?? I see it in the tech tree, but for tokens you can "skip" it from t6 to t8, there is only a bonus package for it?