0.11.10. "Unsporting conduct"

[quickr]

24 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, you know that, but majority of players probably tab out and forget that they entered the battle, while browsing internet. 

Can you stop finding excuses in (silent) majority? Every single thing you add that is borderline idiotic you pin it to them.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

21 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, you know that, but majority of players probably tab out and forget that they entered the battle, while browsing internet. 

I see. I personally use the mod that let's me hear the sound even when minimized. Isn't it easier to simply take that mod and implement it as standard? I mean, someone already did all the work and it works reliably.

Another thing, do I have to acknowledge that popup? And is there a way to supress that? Will it interfere with anything?

 

Basically I don't mind if I am still allowed to play the game as before, it's a non issue if that popup is just a reminder and goes away without me noticing.

[YabbaCoe]

19 minutes ago, quickr said:

Can you stop finding excuses in (silent) majority? Every single thing you add that is borderline idiotic you pin it to them.

But I literally explained, what is happening quite often. Just very few players are tabing out to search for game related stuff to use during that battle. And you know, that it is very easy to be caught forgetting about the battle, when you find some interesting info, or funny gif etc. 

Generally, tabbing out is not much advised thing to do during the battle. 

 

18 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I see. I personally use the mod that let's me hear the sound even when minimized. Isn't it easier to simply take that mod and implement it as standard? I mean, someone already did all the work and it works reliably.

Another thing, do I have to acknowledge that popup? And is there a way to supress that? Will it interfere with anything?

 

Basically I don't mind if I am still allowed to play the game as before, it's a non issue if that popup is just a reminder and goes away without me noticing.

Honestly, I don't know, if it would be possible to supress that. Maybe in Windows settings. 

[_DemonGuard_]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

As I can see, this is from PT, so unfortunately I have no option to check what exactly you did in those battles. 

Maybe do you have more screenshots from detailed report? That would help explain what exactly you did in those battles.

Ofc it is from the PTS, that's why i reported it as a bug nearly 3 weeks ago in that section of the forum. I even posted a replay. I even tried pinging you to get an answer...nothing so far.

[SurfaceFish]

I hope the majority of wows players who are older gamers can stay concentrated on the road driving their kids to school if they have the attention span of goldfish while playing this game! 

 

P.S. I have done this while co op farming anniversary rewards, so its not a bad idea. However, I do wonder what other "features" that benefits WG financialy will be added to the popup notifications down the line. 

[NewHorizons_1]

45 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

So now the "majority of players" is not only silent, but also suffering from acute amnesia or ADHD... 

That explains the potatoes in Pommerns & Agir you get in co-op.

• Start match
• Sail to centre of map
• At this point probably ALT-TAB'd out elsewhere.
• Engage bots at point blank range so that you're an obvious torp target
• Let secondaries do something
• Die
• Appear at bottom of score board

 

[YabbaCoe]

3 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

Ofc it is from the PTS, that's why i reported it as a bug nearly 3 weeks ago in that section of the forum. I even posted a replay. I even tried pinging you to that get an answer...nothing so far.

Oh, true... it is there in PT Bug reports. I was busy at that time, so sorry, that I didn't answer there. Also it is because Seraphice is the CM for EN section, I only cover for him, when he is off and I deal directly with live server bugs and DevBlog. + obviously Czech section of forum. That is why I didn't actually took a look there. 

But strangely enough we didn't get any other similar reports after that during PT. So it is possible, that that happened as a bug once. 

[_DemonGuard_]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

But strangely enough we didn't get any other similar reports after that during PT. So it is possible, that that happened as a bug once.

ONCE? I already posted screenshots from 3 different games and it's only 3, because i thought that's enough to show the problem, so i didn't bother to add more.

[YabbaCoe]

3 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

ONCE? I already posted screenshots from 3 different games and it's only 3, because i thought that's enough to show the problem, so i didn't bother to add more.

With once I meant that it was basically only you reporting that and apparently it didn't occur during the second round of PT. 

But atleast now I pinged my colleagues just to be sure, it is not the part of the release update to live server, which will be tomorrow. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Not really smooth sailing, but I appreciate the effort @YabbaCoe

[HoLeeKow]

Still strange all, since currently we can report a player for unsportive conduct and now its how?

it says no xp and credits will be earned , so it has to be done in the game itself, by player or systrem that checks if you havent moved a mile from the start of the game?

I remember from playing CV a lot my karma was always zero because people report you for all different reasons because you play a cv, and i guess that wont be different with subs.

It has to be done by the system or you will get game after game not earning anything if you run into cv/sub haters that report you for everything .

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

8 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

But I literally explained, what is happening quite often.

 

Sorry, but I missed it - what exactly is being punished under the new system that wasn't before?

[Yedwy]

12 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

You still should be able to alt tab during the battle. Just now you will receive a Windows pop up.

Really? How generous of WG to allow us control over our PC while playing WOWS, you guys considered putting yourselves up for some kind of reward? I mean you should, your code still not being as braindead as bethesdas and all that… Anyways the question was not if we can alt-tab but if you new system considers staying in desktop for 2-3 min during start of the match (coop and some ops primarily but some pvp can be like that as well) to be the offence, couse if it does coupled with the insane amount of “grind 10mil ribbons” or “win 100 matchess” and likes you like to stuff in our faces every month in events kinda crosses the line of keeping my personal interest in the said activity and hence the game in general, now you can load up my profile invoices and see if I am the kind of whale WG wants to p*ss off right now…

[Purnylla]

21 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

But I literally explained, what is happening quite often. Just very few players are tabing out to search for game related stuff to use during that battle. And you know, that it is very easy to be caught forgetting about the battle, when you find some interesting info, or funny gif etc. 

Generally, tabbing out is not much advised thing to do during the battle. 

As a co-op player, I always tab out for the first minute or two. Just setting auto-pilot and nothing happens for the next minute. Game isn't minimized, just not the active window. I leave the right side of the screen available so I can still watch the minimap, so I can tab back into the game whenever I see an enemy withing firing range. Never gotten an AFK penalty. I don't really need that notification. I experienced it on PT and it was annoying.

 

However, can I assume nothing changed on the actual triggers to get AFK penalty? Can I safely do as I did before? @YabbaCoe

[WildWind84]

On 10/31/2022 at 2:57 PM, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

Is there any information what exactly triggers this penalty, and how prone to abuse it is?

Also, can this "system notification" be manually deactivated? Because it's not WG's business to "suggest" what I do with my computer.

This.

[WildWind84]

On 10/31/2022 at 6:54 PM, Lootboxer said:

Try to play on a patch day before the obligatory hot fix

In most cases is probably this 

[YabbaCoe]

35 minutes ago, Purnylla said:

As a co-op player, I always tab out for the first minute or two. Just setting auto-pilot and nothing happens for the next minute. Game isn't minimized, just not the active window. I leave the right side of the screen available so I can still watch the minimap, so I can tab back into the game whenever I see an enemy withing firing range. Never gotten an AFK penalty. I don't really need that notification. I experienced it on PT and it was annoying.

 

However, can I assume nothing changed on the actual triggers to get AFK penalty? Can I safely do as I did before? @YabbaCoe

And even in 0.11.10 you still shouldn't receive AFK penalty, if you are actively participate in the battle. 

But anyway, we will definitely gather your feedback regarding that pop up notification and we will pass that further. 

[WildWind84]

@YabbaCoe 1 fair question: when you in backround listen music from Youtube during battle and you are NOT AFK in that battle - is that OK or not? Tnx.

 

EDIT: And during the battle sounds from battle are on 0 (because you listen music and play).

[rainmakerltu]

I'd like to see them try give out bans or other penalties for listening podcasts or music in browser.

[Lootboxer]

@YabbaCoe will you finally perma - ban griefers and trolls deliberately throwing battles, running away into the corner spamming quick commands "well done" wherever someone dies? Or a cv players rushing B into secondary range and dying at 4th minute without even flying his planes? I had that kind of "teammates" and in a chat some of us recognised those famous "players". I know you can't force ppl to play good but those are not just very bad, behaviors like this are clearly against ELUA. Or are you afraid that they would want to revoke purchases?

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

On 10/31/2022 at 2:57 PM, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

"The unsporting conduct penalty system has received a number of improvements in Update 0.11.10. The main goals of these changes are to improve and generally make the definition of inaction in battle more accurate, as well as to eliminate situations where players could, for various reasons, avoid penalties for unsporting conduct. We've finalized and added to the existing criteria, and we've also updated the procedure for checking players for the violator status.

 

Players who receive a penalty for unsporting conduct in battle do not receive Credits or XP for that battle. In Ranked Battles, such players do not receive Stars if their team wins. If the situation is repeated, the color of the violator's nickname changes, and in order to remove the violator status, they need to fight a certain number of battles without any violations. If the violations do not stop, the penalty can be toughened up to a restriction on entry into certain battle types.

 

For users with the Windows 10 operating system, a system notification has been added with a suggestion to return to the battle if the client was minimized during the battle."

 

 

Is there any information what exactly triggers this penalty, and how prone to abuse it is?

Also, can this "system notification" be manually deactivated? Because it's not WG's business to "suggest" what I do with my computer.

Could someone please translate this into English? @YabbaCoe

 

Am I right if I read this as it only effects players who still try to teamkill/damage or what exactly does "unsporting conduct" mean?! I guess being afk in a Ranked match wont give you a star when your team wins? (which is great to get rid of those ranked dwellers. Could I also suggest players that die in first 7 minutes?)

 

Another example: 

Me in my Asashio are in a CQB with a friendly BB against an enemy BB. I tell my friendly BB to "Get back" and I launch DW torps towards the enemy BB to help our BB survive the fight. He ignores my help and for some reason want to trade his 90% HP BB to the enemy's 10 % BB in a ram...... (happens so often...) so he instead soaks up all my torps and I'm suddenly pink (even though my torps deal 0 team damage) and he gets to suicide his whole ship into the enemy's 10% wreck This means that even though I've been a team player whole game and probably would end up first on the winning team, I instead gets punished for the stupidity of lesser skilled players and get 0 Credits and XP for the match? Or do I read this wrong? 

 

If its correct, then no DD will ever try and bail out an overextended BB in the future.

 

Also, if so many players have to tab out to search for game related things like torp/radar/hydro ranges on Wiki during battle wouldn't it be great if WG could take the very good mods that show these stats ingame and put them inte the regular game as an option to prevent these tab outs to happen? The game have been live for 7 years and so many basic settings and options are still only available in external mods?!

[YabbaCoe]

4 hours ago, WildWind84 said:

@YabbaCoe 1 fair question: when you in backround listen music from Youtube during battle and you are NOT AFK in that battle - is that OK or not? Tnx.

 

EDIT: And during the battle sounds from battle are on 0 (because you listen music and play).

Why this shouldn't be ok? You can always listen music, having browser open while playing the game. Important for the game is, if you are participating in the battle or not. 

Bad would be, if you would launch the battle, tab out and forgot about the game...therefore being inactive/afk. But if you are playing a battle actively, while listening to video, looking at YT on second screen, reading a book, cuddling with cat or whatever, that is absolutely fine. 

 

[Yamashiro42]

43 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Why this shouldn't be ok? You can always listen music, having browser open while playing the game. Important for the game is, if you are participating in the battle or not. 

Bad would be, if you would launch the battle, tab out and forgot about the game...therefore being inactive/afk. But if you are playing a battle actively, while listening to video, looking at YT on second screen, reading a book, cuddling with cat or whatever, that is absolutely fine. 

 

That is actually great news for my cat.

[Port_Authority]

On 10/31/2022 at 3:58 PM, quickr said:

Yeah, but i don't want to jump all those hoops to fool the client I'm in a game when I'm actually not.

 

It's up to WG to provide the game, it's up to me to do whatever the F I want on my PC.

They could, you know, just perform normal event analysis on the server side.
Say they stop receiving basic input events. Ship has a heading and it moves, but seems that client registered no key input whatsoever. Maybe the person is repositioning, knows he won't be spotted. But gets spotted, gets shot at, set on fire, still no input? Flag it.

Personally the AFKers are chielfy in two groups : the ones that are late or never start and the ones that go AFK middle of the match like some sort of a boycott. Detecting both is straightforward from the server side.

There is also a problem of flagging someone whose connection dropped as AFKer and penalizing him, I was in that situation twice or thrice throughout the years. You cannot detect if someone pulled the plug intentionally or the around-the-world cable just failed somewhere along.

[Ethatronico]

Am 1.11.2022 um 10:52, YabbaCoe sagte:

Honestly, I don't know, if it would be possible to supress that. Maybe in Windows settings. 

Right-click on the pop-up, do "Disable all messages from WoWs" in the context-menu. (paraphrased, my OS isn't english)