0.11.10. "Unsporting conduct"

[rainmakerltu]

54 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

I must admit I'm surprised at the amount of static the notifications are getting.

If you're in a battle and it's started and you've ALT-TAB'd elsewhere, then a notification is fine as a reminder to support you're team mates.

FWIW : I'll ALT-TAB while waiting in a queue, but never in battle while I'm alive.

I listen Tube videos as podcasts while I play. So I alt-tab often, when timer is 3 sec, game icon in taskbar will flash, saying, time to come back.

 

Also Opera GX browser allows play Tube videos in PIP (picture in picture) mode. But for this to work when you are playing game, you need run the game in windowed fullscreen. Then you can move the small video window where you like and do not need to alt-tab anymore.

[NewHorizons_1]

8 minutes ago, rainmakerltu said:

Some days ago, after years of not playing, I jumped into T6 CV Ranger, I think and rolled into battle Coop. Imagine that, bloody enemies killed every my plane and I did not score any points.

 

But I was trying hard lol

 

And if a disappointment alone is not enough, game decide to finish me off, saying smth like "you were very bad player in this battle, passive as F, so we take away anything you could win"

 

To say it was highly motivating, is say nothing at all. I probably must be very relieved game did not painted me pink.

 

Wargaming, well done.

If this deters CV players from co-op, then I'm all for it! 

 

But yeah, this could actually be an issue for CV players.

Co-op matches don't really last long enough for CVs to do a great deal.

So losing what little XP & credits they earn could be quite harsh for them.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

10 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

But yeah, this could actually be an issue for CV players.

all I see is a git gud issue tbh. How do you finish a game in any CV doing 0 dmg is beyond me.

[lafeel]

56 minutes ago, rainmakerltu said:

Some days ago, after years of not playing, I jumped into T6 CV Ranger, I think and rolled into battle Coop. Imagine that, bloody enemies killed every my plane and I did not score any points.

 

Did you even move your CV? I mean it is possible that may have been what triggered it..

[NewHorizons_1]

10 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Did you even move your CV? I mean it is possible that may have been what triggered it..

Moving a CV doesn't matter. Several months ago, WG introduced an inactivity check for CVs which means they have to do damage with their aircraft ordnance.

There's been a couple of cases where CV players got caught out

• Someone farming spotting damage for a mission
• Graf Zepp player farming secondary hits. So he actually did damage, just not with his planes.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 1 Stunde, Yedwy sagte:

Come now guys, WG takes away my stuff for alt-tabbing out of game while my ship travels twards the enemy I uninstall, plain and simple, I am not spending 3-4 min watching my Colorado or whatever creep twards the red bot team insteal of doing something worthwhile...

You guys are mixing two separate systems together.

There is 1) the notification when you are tabbed out.

And 2) an update to the system for unsporting conduct which can include a punishment with zero xp/credits for the battle.

 

These two are not directly related, you shouldn't lose stuff just because you tabbed out for a moment.

 

Vor 2 Stunden, Paranoid_Potato sagte:

So according to WG, they are now telling me what I can and can't do with my PC, talk about a dictatorial company, who ever came up with this must have got straight A's in The Putin Acadamy For Diplomacy course or another miscommunication and is in fact a " Special Karma Operation", to de-saltify the game?

Where do you even read any of that?
I guess the name isn't just for show ^^

[NewHorizons_1]

55 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

all I see is a git gud issue tbh. How do you finish a game in any CV doing 0 dmg is beyond me.

I could see it happening to a T6 CV in co-op as there's several differences to random matches.

• Short match time, <5min matches are common. So not much time for CVs to launch many squadrons
• Not much time between AA mounts being destroyed by HE and the bot ship being sunk.
  So it's either full health AA fire-power or no target for the CV.
• Bots often cluster together so you've got overlapping AA.
• DefAA is more widespread and the bots do use it as you can see red AA tracers from them.
  Bots have stock equipment & consumables. So many bot ships have default DefAA whereas many players swap it for hydro.
  That coupled with overlapping AA could be problematic, especially when the CV is +2 uptiered.

[ZeroSkillPureLuck]

2 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

Just piss off WG, treating us like you are the teacher in a classroom, and we are some naughty students. It’s a GAME, we don’t owe you our time even if we clicked start battle. 

its team game. You are fuckin your team mates. GTFO.

[Cammo1962]

Just now, ZeroSkillPureLuck said:

its team game. You are fuckin your team mates. GTFO.

Have you tried to tell that to the others when you are out in battle or are you just dreaming mate ?? 

[Hades_warrior]

3 hours ago, 22cm said:

So... will this work for sub or CV players?!

Their automatic ASW probably works well and for dodging reports 

That is weegee's flawless system afterall.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

So 2 games in DD, killed a ship capped, spotted, last surviving player in teams of mutants, nothing said in chat, although in 2nd game I did ping to say well done for the lemming train of plebs, 4 reports from team mates, 2 compliments from enemy, so new rules I would get penalised, as I bet teammates would have used unsporting conduct. Well done WG another chance to do something right and completely cocked up as usual, your incompetence never fails to amaze, you have to wonder if those in power are BOTS no scrap that, BOTS have "AI" and WG generally has no "I"?

[endlessBoogie]

If weegee reduces the amount of clowns who stay afk in the first minutes of the match then i think thats a good thing.

[lovelacebeer]

Although I cannot see the benefit of the system telling me I’m tabbed out, as long as WG don’t display their usual level of ineptitude so that I don’t get punished for tabbing out momentarily I can live with it. 

[_DemonGuard_]

3 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

Although I cannot see the benefit of the system telling me I’m tabbed out, as long as WG don’t display their usual level of ineptitude so that I don’t get punished for tabbing out momentarily I can live with it. 

So, what's your guess about WG implementing something new without messing up?

[arcticstorm123]

12 hours ago, rainmakerltu said:

Some days ago, after years of not playing, I jumped into T6 CV Ranger, I think and rolled into battle Coop. Imagine that, bloody enemies killed every my plane and I did not score any points.

 

But I was trying hard lol

 

And if a disappointment alone is not enough, game decide to finish me off, saying smth like "you were very bad player in this battle, passive as F, so we take away anything you could win"

 

To say it was highly motivating, is say nothing at all. I probably must be very relieved game did not painted me pink.

 

Wargaming, well done.

There is most definitely a problem with “inaction” penalty’s for cv’s in co op, I had the same in a Lowendhart recently, the game was over very quickly, I did get 2 bomb hits but these apparently caused no damage even though I didn’t have the lowest score.

 

Reported it but got the usual “git gud” reply,  complained that wasn’t good enough so they asked for a replay but by then I had more than 30 games so replay was gone.

 

Pretty sure some of the more obscure cv’s are bugged, had strange results before from the Lowendhart (hits not recorded) but don’t play it enough to get proof (think I was just trying to get the anniversary gift)

 

(Edited, thought there were lots of dd's but turns out was mostly bb's/cruisers but nvm)

[rainmakerltu]

8 minutes ago, arcticstorm123 said:

the game was over very quickly

So what are they balancing, I wonder... 

 

To balance coop or actually make it last longer so not only fastest ot most torpedoes carrying ships could kill every enemy, it requires a simple solution. Human team of 9 ppl should go against, not 9 more or less equal bots, but 15 for example.

Also bot coding is awful. I have seen bots sitting oblivious in captured zone, doing nothing for good few minutes.

 

Even Tarkov bots now can kick your [edited]if you not careful, but warships, seems coded them in 2015 and haven't touched since. "Balancing"! is more important.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

6 hours ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

So, what's your guess about WG implementing something new without messing up?

@YabbaCoe @Seraphice can you please care to comment this?

As I've said before, I alt tab to check the wargaming wiki, usually for torpedo ranges or if this or that obscure ship has hydro - especially when I'm forced to play ranked in the seal clubbing tiers where I'm usually not or to check potato alert for threats. I don't have a second monitor, as I use a WQHD and another monitor wouldn't fit into my man cave (Or rather man cubbyhole, it's not really big)

[arcticstorm123]

Add to this Co-op was traditionally the place where players were told to go to practice, seems now it's held to the same standards as randoms etc.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

8 minutes ago, arcticstorm123 said:

Add to this Co-op was traditionally the place where players were told to go to practice, seems now it's held to the same standards as randoms etc.

If those same standards are 'do more then 0 damage you plonker' then probably yes 

[YabbaCoe]

7 hours ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

So, what's your guess about WG implementing something new without messing up?

As I can see, this is from PT, so unfortunately I have no option to check what exactly you did in those battles. 

Maybe do you have more screenshots from detailed report? That would help explain what exactly you did in those battles. 

 

1 hour ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

@YabbaCoe @Seraphice can you please care to comment this?

As I've said before, I alt tab to check the wargaming wiki, usually for torpedo ranges or if this or that obscure ship has hydro - especially when I'm forced to play ranked in the seal clubbing tiers where I'm usually not or to check potato alert for threats. I don't have a second monitor, as I use a WQHD and another monitor wouldn't fit into my man cave (Or rather man cubbyhole, it's not really big)

You still should be able to alt tab during the battle. Just now you will receive a Windows pop up.

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

4 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

You still should be able to alt tab during the battle. Just now you will receive a Windows pop up.

But why? If I tab out, I know that I have tabbed out. There is no need to remind me of it. 

[YabbaCoe]

22 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

But why? If I tab out, I know that I have tabbed out. There is no need to remind me of it. 

Well, you know that, but majority of players probably tab out and forget that they entered the battle, while browsing internet. 

[Bland_42]

2 minuti fa, YabbaCoe ha scritto:

Well, you know that, but majority of players probably tab out and forget that they entered the battle, while browsing internet. 

And this speak volumes about WoWs playerbase...

 

On a more serious note, do you know if the new feature about unsporting conduct will be triggered only by the automatic system, or also by players reports?

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

18 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, you know that, but majority of players probably tab out and forget that they entered the battle, while browsing internet. 

So now the "majority of players" is not only silent, but also suffering from acute amnesia or ADHD... 

 

Well, I hope the mentally healthy minority will be able to deactivate this feature in the Windows notification settings.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 20 Minuten, Bland_42 sagte:

On a more serious note, do you know if the new feature about unsporting conduct will be triggered only by the automatic system, or also by players reports? 

Ashkance on NA confirmed it's not related to player reports:

Zitat

The system updates are not related to Player Reports.  The changes help our internal system to better recognize problems and respond to them.

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This is an update to a system which is already in place.  The first article I found which discusses this system is here:

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/game-guides/anti-abuse-system/

That was from over 4 years ago.