[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #1 Posted October 31, 2022 "The unsporting conduct penalty system has received a number of improvements in Update 0.11.10. The main goals of these changes are to improve and generally make the definition of inaction in battle more accurate, as well as to eliminate situations where players could, for various reasons, avoid penalties for unsporting conduct. We've finalized and added to the existing criteria, and we've also updated the procedure for checking players for the violator status. Players who receive a penalty for unsporting conduct in battle do not receive Credits or XP for that battle. In Ranked Battles, such players do not receive Stars if their team wins. If the situation is repeated, the color of the violator's nickname changes, and in order to remove the violator status, they need to fight a certain number of battles without any violations. If the violations do not stop, the penalty can be toughened up to a restriction on entry into certain battle types. For users with the Windows 10 operating system, a system notification has been added with a suggestion to return to the battle if the client was minimized during the battle." Is there any information what exactly triggers this penalty, and how prone to abuse it is? Also, can this "system notification" be manually deactivated? Because it's not WG's business to "suggest" what I do with my computer. 22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #2 Posted October 31, 2022 I can see a lot of people soon being banned for "unsporting conduct" AKA not fitting into WG's expectations. Also that statement is so opaque and threatening it's almost reads like attempted intimidation. 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #3 Posted October 31, 2022 Just now, Aragathor said: I can see a lot of people soon being banned for "unsporting conduct" AKA not fitting into WG's expectations. I am less concerned for WGs' expectations - as they have consistently ignored even the most abysmal player performances for years -, but for players using the report function to blow off steam. This wasn't a problem when the report system was basically a placebo and merely reduced the completely meaningless karma stat, but if reports can actually nullify your game because players sprinkle everyone with reports and you have to trust some wonky "procedure for checking players for the violator status"... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] Port_Authority Players 320 posts 22,649 battles Report post #4 Posted October 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said: Is there any information what exactly triggers this penalty, and how prone to abuse it is? Also, can this "system notification" be manually deactivated? Because it's not WG's business to "suggest" what I do with my computer. Who knows what was the input criteria up until now? If only server side, they could process the input coming from the client, so idle much and you trigger something. Maybe now they notify if you minimized or defocused the window of the client immediately to the server, triggering some timer. I don't know because the publishment is vague and they AFAIR never explained how anti-botting or 'unsportmanship' works. We'll see. I regularly spend time on another screen's window like Discord or browser while my ship repositions. I don't spend more than 30s in that state but I fear WG's alghoritms. I also had disconnects that would give me a penalty once I returned to the game. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #5 Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said: if reports can actually nullify your game because players sprinkle everyone with reports and you have to trust some wonky "procedure for checking players for the violator status" This worries me too, as WG is habitually incompetent and revenge reporting will become an issue. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Thalandor_gaming Players 79 posts 28,195 battles Report post #6 Posted October 31, 2022 Vor 21 Minuten, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS sagte: "For users with the Windows 10 operating system, a system notification has been added with a suggestion to return to the battle if the client was minimized during the battle." Windows 11 needs that feature as WoWs no longer blinks orange when the match starts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #7 Posted October 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thalandor_gaming said: Windows 11 needs that feature as WoWs no longer blinks orange when the match starts. While this might be true, they are mentioning Windows 10 and "minimized during battle", not "minimized before battle". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] Port_Authority Players 320 posts 22,649 battles Report post #8 Posted October 31, 2022 Personally I don't know anyone who's been penalized because of the reports. We have some averages in the clan, ~48% who surely got mass reported for something sometime. We also have a lot of blues and purples that are fixed on karma 0 and frequently chatbanned whose blacklists are of Somalian telephone directory length, because of their interactions with random and ranked playerbases. These are people that will outplay the enemy team and devstrike or harrass people and get - for that and they will rant all along if the allied team plays badly (as they do) so they'll get - for that too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #9 Posted October 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said: For users with the Windows 10 operating system, a system notification has been added with a suggestion to return to the battle if the client was minimized during the battle." I'm trying so hard, but can't think of a single game that does that. Sure, getting penalized for being afk, but game forcing system notifications? Sounds dodgy AF 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] Port_Authority Players 320 posts 22,649 battles Report post #10 Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Thalandor_gaming said: Windows 11 needs that feature as WoWs no longer blinks orange when the match starts. It does for me, but I still run a last developer preview edition so it's not updated. I don't think it's orange but the line below the icon and the black taskbar background start changing colors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #11 Posted October 31, 2022 Just now, Port_Authority said: Personally I don't know anyone who's been penalized because of the reports. Check reddit. More and more posts about people getting banned. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POT80] SurfaceFish [POT80] Players 1,261 posts 11,256 battles Report post #12 Posted October 31, 2022 Next patch, system notification when you haven't bought any doubloons recently and new lootboxes arrives! Imagining you are sharing screen on a work meeting and wows notification pops up, good luck try to persuade your boss you were not playing game during working hours. 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #13 Posted October 31, 2022 Wow they found a a new way to make players leave as if broken submarines, CV, supershits, aiming bugs, +2 matchmaking were not enough. EXCELENT. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] Port_Authority Players 320 posts 22,649 battles Report post #14 Posted October 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, quickr said: I'm trying so hard, but can't think of a single game that does that. Sure, getting penalized for being afk, but game forcing system notifications? Sounds dodgy AF It is also easily hackable. There is a way to block these events (minimize feedback) from ever reaching the game client. I control my operating system and if I don't want WG's process to know the state of the window on my computer, it won't. So if I want to run it in background and provide it a bot input through software-backed virtual keyboard/mouse, they will never know, because its not up to an user application to deal with such stuff. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #15 Posted October 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Port_Authority said: It is also easily hackable. There is a way to block these events (minimize feedback) from ever reaching the game client. I control my operating system and if I don't want WG's process to know the state of the window on my computer, it won't. So if I want to run it in background and provide it a bot input through software-backed virtual keyboard/mouse, they will never know, because its not up to an user application to deal with such stuff. Yeah, but i don't want to jump all those hoops to fool the client I'm in a game when I'm actually not. It's up to WG to provide the game, it's up to me to do whatever the F I want on my PC. 10 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorthyOpponent Players 687 posts 5,439 battles Report post #16 Posted October 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, quickr said: I'm trying so hard, but can't think of a single game that does that. Sure, getting penalized for being afk, but game forcing system notifications? Sounds dodgy AF The only time I've seen that done was in Paladins, but there, when you are in the queue it would notify you that it found you a match via a system notification at the bottom right corner. This was done so you don't have to look at a loading screen and can alt tab without a worry. Crazy, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] Duecut Players 152 posts 11,655 battles Report post #17 Posted October 31, 2022 It’s not really the system criteria that is the issue, we all know the unsporting conduct for “leaving the game early” or “continuing to shoot teammates”. But does it include being reported by a player? If it is then that part that will be massively abused. Think about it, we’ve all encountered that keyboard warrior with the -30% win rate and 50 battles, which until this patch could only “shout” at you in chat, now they can right click your name in the team roster and select unsporting conduct, then you get nothing for your efforts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,899 battles Report post #18 Posted October 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, Thalandor_gaming said: Windows 11 needs that feature as WoWs no longer blinks orange when the match starts. Blinks orange at match start for me on Windows 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,549 battles Report post #19 Posted October 31, 2022 Hi all, I am 100% sure that this has nothing to do with player's report "Unsporting Conduct" - this is for being AFK, shooting own team persistently and similar conducts... Leo "Apollo11" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,524 battles Report post #20 Posted October 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: Hi all, I am 100% sure that this has nothing to do with player's report "Unsporting Conduct" - this is for being AFK, shooting own team persistently and similar conducts... Leo "Apollo11" This... The popup in the system notifications is just the same as the popup for a dicord text in any groups your in or facebook.. its justa popup if you have the game minimised and you have had it minimised for more than a certain amount of time. Its something like 20 or 30 seconds(i think) with game mininmised while in a match. Its just amore visible notification a an audable ping and a popup, over the game icon in tool bar flashing, Something that can easly be missed for those with BIG 4k screens Its justa quality of life improvment nothing more Ingame reports just effect you Carma and I think it can get you chatbanned for a short time if you get pinged to much for misbehavier in chat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #21 Posted October 31, 2022 How to make this game even more unjoyable after subs arrival in the game - misbehave in battles 11.10+ Seriously. How will that work in battles? Do you get punished by not getting credits and EXP if you get DC from battle or even being reported because someone doesn't like your gameplay as it is now? This is too little too late ''QOL'' for this game since lot of bad things are in game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #22 Posted October 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Its justa quality of life improvment nothing more Popups are hardly QoL improvements 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,662 battles Report post #23 Posted October 31, 2022 So... will this work for sub or CV players?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #24 Posted October 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Its justa quality of life improvment nothing more Whose life? Definitely not mine. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] Duecut Players 152 posts 11,655 battles Report post #25 Posted October 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: Hi all, I am 100% sure that this has nothing to do with player's report "Unsporting Conduct" - this is for being AFK, shooting own team persistently and similar conducts... Leo "Apollo11" I really hope you are right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
