I-56 Japanese submarine is eye wateringly bad and makes no sense.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

4 minutes ago, lafeel said:

To be fair the I-56 is one of the largest subs in the game. Also, let's face it, for all their fame for their carrier subs, the IJN subs weren't exactly world class..

I am only pointing out her weaknesses compared to the other subs. as it currently is, she's the worst sub in the game even worse than t6

[lafeel]

8 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

I am only pointing out her weaknesses compared to the other subs. as it currently is, she's the worst sub in the game even worse than t6

No arguing here, just pointing out that there is some historical basis for her state.

[coldocean]

 

 

Gerade eben, deathsadow sagte:

Is it only me who thinks that I-56 is what subs should have been by standard ? 

 

Long range and decent normal torps.

Pretty bad mobility.

Very bad when forced to surface.

Nope. Someone even made a video about that:

 

[evil_communist_from_ussr]

I'm sorry, but the way this joke was filled, is beyond "reasonable". super-toxic crap in one word. pops up, without warning or doesn't even pop up, and point-blank one-shots any target. what kind of turning radius or autonomy are you talking about? with such performance characteristics, it may not sink at all and have a radius of 1 km, it will still be too awesome

[HatsuzukiKaiNi]

The only thing I-56 could do with would be a sub surveilance consumable so it's not just a burden on the team against the enemy subs, a shorter duration/range one than the other nations if required. Ships being unable to interact with each other is not good, hopefully WG will get around to giving every ship some sort of ASW as well since with the upcoming changes only the hybrids and two DD's lack ASW.

[Head_has_Exploded]

Had one battle in her (and the Russian one too) didn't like her nor her russian counterpart, not got any American subs, German ones are the best whilst I do like playing subs I agree there sgould only be certain mode they are in. Not seen any tier 10 ones yet which at least makes playing T 10 slightly bearable.

[FlyingBender]

I can understand all the limitations in i-56 except the lack of Submarine Surveillance and the only 1 Hydrophone charge. 

[T0byJug]

@Corpsetaker

 

quite a lot of key points you have missed on your dissing of I-56 compared to U-190

 

HP I-56 has a massive 24200HP compared to 15400 of U-190 making I-56 much harder to kill 

Torpedoes long range I-56 73knots compared to 59 on U-190 making hit chance much greater at long ranges without  risking detection by using Ping

Torpedoes Tubes  I-56 6 forward firing tubes compared to 4/2 on U-190 making aggressive play much easier with more torps on main targets Infront of Sub. (though yes U-190 can attack ships behind her)

Torpedo Reload  I-56 35sec reload compared to 50 on U-190. that means I-56 can get MUCH more torps down range on targets than U-190

Torpedo Damage I-56 Torps do a max 14300 damage where U-190 douse 12500

 

Conclusion on I-56 Torpedoes.

I-56 long range Torpedoes hit harder faster and more often and can launch WAY more torps a  min than U-190 can. Quite and advantage.

 

Gun

Ok this is not a big thing but I-56 has a gun. Very rapid fire and SAP.. can be surprising in the end game if forced to surface with a Low health ship in range..  that gun can kill the enemy ship where the U-190 just sits there and dies

 

so all the bad points you have posted saying how crap I-56 she has a number of points that make her very strong good Boat.

[Corpsetaker]

31 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

@Corpsetaker

 

quite a lot of key points you have missed on your dissing of I-56 compared to U-190

 

HP I-56 has a massive 24200HP compared to 15400 of U-190 making I-56 much harder to kill  (Already been mentioned and by harder to kill you mean the difference between stepping in a beetle vs a ladybird) (Carbine Carlito did a good review and said the extra HP means almost nothing)

Torpedoes long range I-56 73knots compared to 59 on U-190 making hit chance much greater at long ranges without  risking detection by using Ping (The U-190 has long range homing torps and has double the underwater battery power which make sit superior)

Torpedoes Tubes  I-56 6 forward firing tubes compared to 4/2 on U-190 making aggressive play much easier with more torps on main targets Infront of Sub. (though yes U-190 can attack ships behind her) (Aggressive play? You are spotted from the moon and will be destroyed if you play aggressive)

Torpedo Reload  I-56 35sec reload compared to 50 on U-190. that means I-56 can get MUCH more torps down range on targets than U-190 (So you think if you throw enough POO at the wall something is bound to stick? That's your defence?)

Torpedo Damage I-56 Torps do a max 14300 damage where U-190 douse 12500 (Torps damage means nothing when you can't get into positions to hit with them without dying)

 

Conclusion on I-56 Torpedoes.

I-56 long range Torpedoes hit harder faster and more often and can launch WAY more torps a  min than U-190 can. Quite and advantage.

 

Gun

Ok this is not a big thing but I-56 has a gun. Very rapid fire and SAP.. can be surprising in the end game if forced to surface with a Low half ship in range..  that gun can kill the enemy ship where the U-190 just sits there and dies

 

so all the bad points you have posted saying how crap I-56 she has a number of points that make her very strong good Boat.

Hello,

 

Please see the bold responses next to yours. The only conclusion here is I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about with regards to this submarine. It is highly, and I mean highly, situational at best and is not a ship for aggressive play at all. If you are caught out it is practically impossible to get out and into safety and if you are just going to play as a surface DD then a DD does that job way better. 

[Panocek]

The purpose of I-56 was to relieve you of your money and it did that job just fine, so wdym she's bad

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Corpsetaker said:

If you are caught out it is practically impossible to get out and into safety 

It's exactly how we like subs 

[Corpsetaker]

5 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

It's exactly how we like subs 

Hello,

 

With design this terrible it's more proof of how much an abomination submarines are and that is what I am trying to point out here. 

[T0byJug]

22 minutes ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

Please see the bold responses next to yours. The only conclusion here is I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about with regards to this submarine. It is highly, and I mean highly, situational at best and is not a ship for aggressive play at all. If you are caught out it is practically impossible to get out and into safety and if you are just going to play as a surface DD then a DD does that job way better. 

No im afraid you responces mean you dont know this Submarine.. 24k+ Hp means it takes a LOT more depth charging to kill her.

She is avery effective torp boat and its pretty easy to get hits with her

Sub can dive and run her if detected/radared. and we are not comparing her to a DD we are comparing her to U-190

Her Torps are far far from poo

 

she may not be a great boat but she is no where close to as bad as you say and has a lot of advantages over the U-190. Is she better or worse NO she is just diferent

 

[Nibenay78]

6 minutes ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

With design this terrible it's more proof of how much an abomination submarines are and that is what I am trying to point out here. 

We know submarines are an abomination. One of the most boring aspects of them are when for me is that when I have spent 2-3 minutes to finally get to them and then started bombing away with depthcharges in a DD, they get away and you have to spend another 5 minutes sometimes randomly going after them. When they inevitably die, I'm far away where I am supposed to be and have effectively wasted half the match enjoying the action of pressing G on my keyboard and running around like a headless chicken at times.

 

Subs that can't get away are preferable. No subs would be even better!

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Tbh, the only problem with this sub is the high base concealment.

 

But that is also the only way it can be balanced with such a fast torp reload.

[Corpsetaker]

9 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Tbh, the only problem with this sub is the high base concealment.

 

But that is also the only way it can be balanced with such a fast torp reload.

Hello,

 

Also it's trying to balance around it's little deck gun gimmick which leaves you with a ship that is the opposite of what a submarine is supposed to do. It's nothing but a worse DD that can go underwater for short periods of time. 

[Corpsetaker]

29 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

 

she may not be a great boat but she is no where close to as bad as you say and has a lot of advantages over the U-190. Is she better or worse NO she is just diferent

 

Hello,

 

This ship is the worst amongst all other submarines, yes even the Tier VI ones, so I'm not sure why you are trying to push something that just isn't true. Who what if it has good non homing torps? You have a concealment on the surface of 7.1 and your NON homing torps are 12.5 which means you may be able to spam them from 12.5 but most ships will see them long before they hit and you can't get too close or you will be spotted easily. This submarine has nothing to offer from the other list of submarines. Every other submarine available does a better job so no this submarine, even amongst other submarines, is just pure rubbish. 

[T0byJug]

36 minutes ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

This ship is the worst amongst all other submarines, yes even the Tier VI ones, so I'm not sure why you are trying to push something that just isn't true. Who what if it has good non homing torps? You have a concealment on the surface of 7.1 and your NON homing torps are 12.5 which means you may be able to spam them from 12.5 but most ships will see them long before they hit and you can't get too close or you will be spotted easily. This submarine has nothing to offer from the other list of submarines. Every other submarine available does a better job so no this submarine, even amongst other submarines, is just pure rubbish. 

DD's manage to hit with torps well enough without homing torps so why not Submarines

 

People rely on homing torps to much non homing cause more damage and work fine in many cases. Also the ping reveals the Subs position.  

Im not saying I-56 is great. im saying you did not mention the good points of ther I-56 simple fact is her unguided torps are beter than the other boats. and she has a heavy forward firing barrage and they reload very fast. this is just fact

 

It would be interesting when https://wows-numbers.com/ adds subs because at the moment you have an opinion but we have no way see if its your imagination or if I-56 is performing better than the othe rtier VIII subs

[UnterSeeBot]

2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

(...edited because...) half the match enjoying the action of pressing G on my keyboard (...edited because...)

I rest my case !

seriously though, who doesn't enjoy seeing ribbons light up with messages of "flood", "fire" and more pain and suffering inflicted on submarines? remember if you sink a sub too quickly, (happened to me yesterday, 2 depth charges, direct hits and POP! ) there is less satisfaction (and fun) fun for sub hunting surface ships.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

6 minutes ago, UnterSeeBot said:

I rest my case !

seriously though, who doesn't enjoy seeing ribbons light up with messages of "flood", "fire" and more pain and suffering inflicted on submarines? remember if you sink a sub too quickly, (happened to me yesterday, 2 depth charges, direct hits and POP! ) there is less satisfaction (and fun) fun for sub hunting surface ships.

Even less satisfaction? I didn't think that was possible lol. 

 

I dont think people play this game for the satisfaction and joy of collecting ribbons. O, wait... 

[Corpsetaker]

1 hour ago, T0byJug said:

DD's manage to hit with torps well enough without homing torps so why not Submarines

 

People rely on homing torps to much non homing cause more damage and work fine in many cases. Also the ping reveals the Subs position.  

Im not saying I-56 is great. im saying you did not mention the good points of ther I-56 simple fact is her unguided torps are beter than the other boats. and she has a heavy forward firing barrage and they reload very fast. this is just fact

 

It would be interesting when https://wows-numbers.com/ adds subs because at the moment you have an opinion but we have no way see if its your imagination or if I-56 is performing better than the othe rtier VIII subs

Hello,

 

From what you have said so far would suggest you are purely going from hearsay, or just making some random guess and not actual experience of the submarine. It's statistics are rubbish and it has one trick which is extremely situational. Here is a recent review of the submarine and CC has hit the nail on the head. You seem to think spamming non homing torps in a ship that has abysmal concealment and poor turning is somehow great. 

 

Watch this video: I-56 IJN Japanese Submarine World of Warships Wows Sub Review Guide - YouTube 

[Corpsetaker]

1 hour ago, T0byJug said:

 

Im not saying I-56 is great. im saying you did not mention the good points of ther I-56 simple fact is her unguided torps are beter than the other boats. and she has a heavy forward firing barrage and they reload very fast. this is just fact

 

Hello,

 

Ping location is easy to mitigate as all you have to do is fire off your ping and then change direction so I'm not sure why you think that is some big disadvantage. When you take the whole ship into account there are no good points. If you looked at each point in a vacuum then yes you will find some good ones but unfortunately you have to look at the whole picture. Having the most HP? Yes that sounds great on it's own but when you take into account poor concealment, low dive capacity, and poor turning circle that high HP takes it from absolute rubbish to slightly less absolute rubbish. 

[UnterSeeBot]

Just now, Corpsetaker said:

Ping location is easy to mitigate as all you have to do is fire off your ping and then change direction

when surfaced/periscoped (because of higher sub speed)

when fully submerged, sub turn and straight line speed is slow (14 km+-), so a submerged sub driver might mitigate the dmg from an airstrike, or from dd depth charges, but is unlikely to avoid all dmg. 

[Head_has_Exploded]

4 hours ago, Panocek said:

The purpose of I-56 was to relieve you of your money and it did that job just fine, so wdym she's bad

I agree, GG WG, this was nothing more than a shameless rip off of people, she is destroyed before she even gets within range of targets 6km range sonar and torps, rubbish, fire off your 12km torps and hope for the best, even more rubbish. I won't sell it but I won't play it either. 

[T0byJug]

1 hour ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

From what you have said so far would suggest you are purely going from hearsay, or just making some random guess and not actual experience of the submarine. It's statistics are rubbish and it has one trick which is extremely situational. Here is a recent review of the submarine and CC has hit the nail on the head. You seem to think spamming non homing torps in a ship that has abysmal concealment and poor turning is somehow great. 

 

Watch this video: I-56 IJN Japanese Submarine World of Warships Wows Sub Review Guide - YouTube 

That video is saying what I am saying she has a very dangerous torpedo armament and that the said torpedoes hit hard fast and regally. Her Torpedo armament is very good the best at tier.

It also states the high HP gives her a high survivability to survive encounters that would result in the loss of other boats (same as I said)

So thanks for posting a review that agrees with my points.

The video says she is very hard to play. Many Many very good ships in this game are hard to play but they are still good ships

 

1 hour ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

Ping location is easy to mitigate as all you have to do is fire off your ping and then change direction so I'm not sure why you think that is some big disadvantage. When you take the whole ship into account there are no good points. If you looked at each point in a vacuum then yes you will find some good ones but unfortunately you have to look at the whole picture. Having the most HP? Yes that sounds great on it's own but when you take into account poor concealment, low dive capacity, and poor turning circle that high HP takes it from absolute rubbish to slightly less absolute rubbish. 

The point is you keep saying she is absalute rubbish with no redeming features. then you post a video as evidance where the reviewer is saying the same thing i am.. her torpedo armamante is amazing and though a hard ship to play she has some very good uses.

 

She plays pretty much how all submarines should play in the game. Can be very rewarding as long as you play stealthaly.

 

I cant go to much into my experience of this submarine (NDA) apart from to say I have played many of the Submarines quit a lot.  Look at my profile badge. Lets just say I have quite a few games in this submarine. NDA is why I am only talking about stats that are free to all to see

 

It seems to me you opinion is so Blinkerd that you are managing to ignore comments in a video you post as evidence to how bad she. When video conclusion is  she is a very very strong torpedo boat (I would say that’s a good thing for a submarine) and though difficult to play and not NOOB friendly. A satisfying boat to play