Update 0.11.9: Submarines

[ReDiR20]

The typical forum member here:

I hate everything new to the game, give me the same ship and I'll pay and play this for 10 years! Even if new addition is tested and fits into the theme I still hate it for the reason of hating! Learning to play against subs or CV? NEVER!!! Easier to just whine here spread the hate around! And I'm strictly free to play but I still speak for everyone! Only my opinion matters!

[admiraldelorin]

Amen.

 

To the ones looking forward,  have fun!

 

To the naysayers please quit, get out, go home.. make your own game.  DO IT ALREADY !!



 

[admiraldelorin]

at least one of you reacted with boring and is still here? ...  

[Carandraug]

9 minutes ago, ReDiR20 said:

The typical forum member here:

I hate everything new to the game, give me the same ship and I'll pay and play this for 10 years! Even if new addition is tested and fits into the theme I still hate it for the reason of hating! Learning to play against subs or CV? NEVER!!! Easier to just whine here spread the hate around! And I'm strictly free to play but I still speak for everyone! Only my opinion matters!

Mate you are making it all too easy for us. Guy with 267 battles and zero experience will tell us to learn to play against CVs and subs   Color me surprised. 

[kliffrick_2018]

Good luck, you need it

[Valkyrie_Hound]

59 minutes ago, Venatos said:

finally! ive been waiting to get into some sub-action until their release. dont get me wrong, hunting them is kinda fun, but i wanna see if i can do better than those poor souls i dunked on these past patches.

 

also PLEASE for the love of god, NEVER EVER do a PURE T10 RANKEDSEASON ever AGAIN. it nearly made me quit wows for good. having to play at the same tier for so long, just kills the game completely.

Some sub-action? I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that most of us would enjoy unwanted back door action more.

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, Valkyrie_Hound said:

Is this sarcasm or did you fall out of bed and give yourself concussion?

It's a permanent condition.

[medicdragon]

40 minutes ago, Khaba_Gandalf said:

In before someone else asks it: Where is Dasha? 

They've probably nerfed her, like they do with everything popular with the players!

[slugford]

1 hour ago, Carandraug said:

Yeah, a nugget of gold in a huge pile of manure. 

I can't see that we can move captains to different tech tree ships for free? 

 

That would be handy. Oh well

[Carandraug]

7 minutes ago, slugford said:

I can't see that we can move captains to different tech tree ships for free? 

 

That would be handy. Oh well

No we can't of course, retraining is still the aforementioned pile of manure. You wouldn't want the plebs playing too many non-premiums would you ? 

[SlavicNoOb]

Finally...

 

[WorthyOpponent]

No more Dasha
Subs are getting shoved down our throats because WG wasted so much time and money on something that will never work; just as expected, predicted and feared
CVs are more braindead than ever now (Full auto pilot CV gameplay when? We already have a strong enough AI, I mean the one that played Battleship in the armory.)
Recycled many year old event

WG sure doesn't want anyone to have the slightest of hope about things getting better 

[quickr]

1 hour ago, ReDiR20 said:

The typical forum member here:

I hate everything new to the game, give me the same ship and I'll pay and play this for 10 years! Even if new addition is tested and fits into the theme I still hate it for the reason of hating! Learning to play against subs or CV? NEVER!!! Easier to just whine here spread the hate around! And I'm strictly free to play but I still speak for everyone! Only my opinion matters!

 

1 hour ago, admiraldelorin said:

Amen.

 

To the ones looking forward,  have fun!

 

To the naysayers please quit, get out, go home.. make your own game.  DO IT ALREADY !!
 

How dense you have to be? It has NOTHING to do with "new stuff" being added to the game. Community in general welcomes new maps, new game modes, new scenarios/operations, new surface ships (specially if they are historical, not drawn on napkin), new captains, etc.... You know, stuff that enriches the game environment.

 

What every person with grain of salt between his ears don't want is mechanic (in this case subs) that has little to no counter. Most ships ASW is weak AF and it takes dozens of drops to actually hurt sub (which should have been most vulnerable vessel in the game but it turns out its the most tanky). If you got plane ASW you can consider yourself blessed, If you are in a ship that has to sail over the sub to drop charges, good luck. You'll probably get shotgunned to pieces. That is if you can catch up with the said sub, a 30knts+ speed monster. What a Fing joke. Not only that they are tanky AF they are also one of the fastest in the game. It's beyond insanity. 

 

Surface ship DCPs are overwhelmed as is, adding sub pings and homing torps add NOTHING to the enjoyability of the game. Well, except for the guy that is in sub. Game mechanic that empowers one player but sucks enjoyment from the other 12 is a crap game mechanic.

[Cammo1962]

2 hours ago, ReDiR20 said:

The typical forum member here:

I hate everything new to the game, give me the same ship and I'll pay and play this for 10 years! Even if new addition is tested and fits into the theme I still hate it for the reason of hating! Learning to play against subs or CV? NEVER!!! Easier to just whine here spread the hate around! And I'm strictly free to play but I still speak for everyone! Only my opinion matters!

First of all i dont hate everything in this game what i dont like is the stupidity of the devs and how they cant balance things at all just take the CV rework ar the captain rework where everybody said that the deadeye was stupid or the Pay to Rico dock yard (the first one) @ReDiR20

2 hours ago, admiraldelorin said:

Amen.

 

To the ones looking forward,  have fun!

 

To the naysayers please quit, get out, go home.. make your own game.  DO IT ALREADY !!



 

Why should we quit a game that we in general like and care for ?? And why should we not be allowed to say hey WG this here is dumb and say try this instead ?? And i do say that we as the playerbase have all the right to say our honest opinion to WG @admiraldelorin

[Obidav]

Only two types of comments under the video: Where is Dasha ?????!??? And subs are crap.... Well played weegee.

[Cammo1962]

3 hours ago, ReDiR20 said:

The typical forum member here:

I hate everything new to the game, give me the same ship and I'll pay and play this for 10 years! Even if new addition is tested and fits into the theme I still hate it for the reason of hating! Learning to play against subs or CV? NEVER!!! Easier to just whine here spread the hate around! And I'm strictly free to play but I still speak for everyone! Only my opinion matters!

You dont speak for everyone especially me you only speak for yourself like everyone else in her you get that mate ??

[_Caesar_Imperator_]

Vor 4 Stunden, YabbaCoe sagte:

Brand new class of ships can bring new frightening danger, but on the other hand also plenty new gameplay opportunities and changes. 

 

New classes that fit into the mechanics - I'm with you there.

 

The Russian roulette which you used while doctoring around is extremely questionable. Basically, only the basics of this class were changed with each update.

 

Question:

On Twitch the beginnings of a new "Volks" sport could be seen, appearing in front of an opponent (mostly BB), torpedoes in the face, diving and away, or at worst torpedoes in the back  , without being able to see the submarine ,

Has the proxy spot been deactivated for this superdupa class?

 

And since the close range of the anti-submarine armament is too short, you can't even drop the bombs on yourself, which is also a very nice example of grandiose planning for a new class.

 

Sorry for my English, it's not the yellow of the egg.

[Felixshoen]

I don't know if you've noticed, but Operations are much more popular now.  This is not just because you can play tier 8, though that helps.  Up to tier 10 would be better.  It's not just that you can play the same ship over and over, though that helps.  It's not just that it grants good XP and currency rewards, though that helps.  It's because there are no subs and enemy CV play is more scripted into the story rather than some RL player dominating a battle from the back edge of the map .  I can't get any friends to play in randoms anymore.  Too toxic and once we see a sub it's like letting all the air out of a balloon.  Everyone after a sub random suddenly finds something else to do.  But Operations....they are the sanctuary for everything that used to be World of Warships with fewer toxic players.  And, we can do them over and over again.  So, kudos for saving a few deck chairs while the rest of the Titanic sinks.  At least they are nice deck chairs.

 

Oh yeah, nearly forgot to ask.  How did you get Annie Lennox to narrate your video?  Impressed I am.

[The_Tipsy]

CV's were bad enough, especially after nerfing the AA and removing any effective counter play. Submarines ruin any game that they appear in. Bad enough in randoms (we will see how many idiots actually play them) but if they bring these into ranked or clan - rip wows. It will go the same way as World of Warplanes, which died almost overnight as a result of stupid game changes. 

[Zemeritt]

4 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

Brand new class of ships can bring new frightening danger, but on the other hand also plenty new gameplay opportunities and changes. 

 

Opportunities? What oppertunities you're talking about? That DDs finally have another reason to suicide without archieving much?

That other classes are getting mor passive, because instead of torpedo walls every 1-2 mins you now face constant, sometimes homing, torpedo barrages?

 

Til this day, noone at WG showed me anything positive for the surface ship players by adding subs.

So tell me: What great opportunities do we surface skippers get from subs?

 

Oh, right: nothing besides even besides point and click, hoping to hit something, considering how far off the ping markers often are.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, quickr said:

How dense you have to be?

My suspicion is that this isn't about people being thick, it's more about the same mindset that enjoys things like submarines in the first place i.e. griefers. It's patently obvious that the majority of forum folk (which equates to - in general - experienced and knowledgeable players) think submarines are a bad idea in their current form, and care deeply about the game - wouldn't it be just *hilarious* (positively Wildean) to try and provoke such people?

[Heal_My_Bacon]

Just my two cents:

 

I hope I am wrong but track record for Wargaming implimenting major game changes hasn't been that good... Eagle Eye anyone? Yeah, this is going to be "intresting"... After bugs finally get worked out, spread sheet probably tell WG that subs might have not been that wise and it has affected game play negatively (i.e. they are not getting as much money as they did before submarines) but they head on and release Japanese and Soviet submarines. We probably get then premium Hybrid Japanese Submarine that can launch Torpedo planes ( I-401 I am looking at you) 

Most likely introduction of submarines will force WG introduce global nerf torpedoes eventually trying to save this game. So suspect next year big game changes in torpedoes or torpedo damages trying out balancing this game, while trying stop becoming one huge torpedo carousell. 

 

Just one thing is sure subs make it even less passive this already passive game. Poor Italian BB's with their abysmal range. I feel sorry for the player who starts grinding Italian BB's with submarines active on this game. on Tier 5+ with submarines.

 

But I do say Operation with submarines is intresting. I just think submarines with this game play should have first introduce in PvE elements (like the operation alone) few months before releasing TWO tech tree's at the same time open for PvE and PvP.

 

 

[416taylor]

5 hours ago, Obidav said:

They have never done it in 7 years. why start now ?

In the armory top for seven year celibration. that 7 looks like a half covered Z. I just wonder giving bad wibes

[416taylor]

4 hours ago, medicdragon said:

They've probably nerfed her, like they do with everything popular with the players!

Yes as you can see in trailer she is nerft. Maybe she become rare and will appear just ones a year.

[NewHorizons_1]

6 hours ago, deathsadow said:

probably for a good 2-3 month till WG find out that subs are OP and needs to be nerfed

Nah, I'm afraid there's always a better class of dribbling idiot that finds sub play too "uncomfortable".