cant communicat with exCIS player

[jss78]

15 hours ago, Viridem said:

How many 40+ years old who can speak english do you know?

I seem to be doing fine.

 

In the Gen-X'er age range I don't think I literally know ANYONE who doesn't speak English.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

2 hours ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

Ahum, in many ways it is just as arrogant to expect everyone to understand English - something which in my experience quite a few native English-speakers expect. Even though within Europe they are in a definite minority.

There are no native english speakers in europe anymore (edit: oops Ireland). But don't worry, the way the pound is going, soon everyone can buy their own.

 

On a more serious side note, I believe in geographic europe there are more native german speakers than anyone else. But not everyone is speaking german as a seconday language because reasons and it's admittedly a bit hard to learn.

Basically, if you write in a language that is not english, do not expect anyone to understand you. Also, do not expect anyone to understand you if you write in english.

And even if you can clearly communicate, do not expect anyone to do what you suggest, either because he might be stupid or you might be stupid.

 

Now that I've written it, I somehow feel that the chat is overrated.

 

 

 

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet

 

I think it's pretty clear that English is the predominant internet language, so it makes sense to use English if you attempt to communicate online with unknown people.

[ZygZag]

18 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

I think it was a pretty bad idea of WG to allow all CIS player to come to EU server.

Nearly every match I face people writing in russian in the chat. I think most people on EU server dont speak russian. and most of themdont speak english

we simply cant communicate!

 

Stats are cruel for your way of thinking. Do you want to exclude also people from f.ex. Spain, Italy or Turkey? 

[SmokinSerj]

16 hours ago, Viridem said:

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It feels like I attract Turkish people, as a side note. I don't know if it's a Turkish thing or if there's another reason, but I often get people speaking Turkish directly to me.

That's an easy one. :)  It's because of your clan tag LOKTR. I don't know what that stands for, but the TR in the end for sure makes them think that's a Turkish clan. ;)

[jss78]

9 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

On a more serious side note, I believe in geographic europe there are more native german speakers than anyone else.

This was such an interesting question that I checked. Apparently taking the geographically European parts of Russia and Kazakhstan, and Russian-speaking minorities in all wholly European countries, native Russian speakers (106 million) outnumber native German speakers (97 million).

[Karasu_Browarszky]

12 hours ago, bigdoguk said:

I had a Russian guy go off on me because he thought it was a great idea taking on two cruises and a bb, I gave him support at a distance but he whent right up to them and then ranted in Russian the rest of the battle. 

Was his name Pyotr Velikiy by any chance?

[Montrala]

At this point issue can be solved programmatically. Machine translation is now quite usable and able to detect language. WG could add it to chat giving user ability to switch it on and define output language.

 

Also chat window mod is possible that will parse chat trough MTL, however usually access to free translation API is limited.

[Dutchy_2019]

2 hours ago, ZygZag said:

Stats are cruel for your way of thinking. Do you want to exclude also people from f.ex. Spain, Italy or Turkey? 

 

Not sure how they measure "proficiency" for these kinds of surveys.

In my experience, even "high" proficiency would not even be sufficient to follow - for instance - classes in English, or have a decent in depth  debate. Moderate - in my experience - is laughable; it seems to be around the level you need to survive as a tourist (that is you can somehow communicate with hotel staff, order food, and have a chance of ordering a taxi to go in the right direction, or actually follow directions given. 

These tests also seem to focus on input in English (listening, reading), not producing output in English. 

 

This also assume that these tests are actually valid (so no cheating and such). Depending on the data source, even that is extremely suspect.

 

Now add to that quick typing, and this is where the fun starts. Note, btw, that South Africa and Singapore are former English colonies.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just learn the most common Russian insults, and you will be able to follow the conversation just fine. 

[mdjmcnally]

16 hours ago, bigdoguk said:

I had a Russian guy go off on me because he thought it was a great idea taking on two cruises and a bb, I gave him support at a distance but he whent right up to them and then ranted in Russian the rest of the battle. 

I think that very much the style of play on CIS.

 

remember when Smolensk came out that we were informed that the CIS server users reporting the Smolensk needed to be more tanky as they charging in and getting killed.

[Viridem]

5 hours ago, SmokinSerj said:

That's an easy one. :)  It's because of your clan tag LOKTR. I don't know what that stands for, but the TR in the end for sure makes them think that's a Turkish clan. ;)

Aaaaah that's why!

I have no idea what it stands for either XD

Thanks!

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 hours ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

 

Not sure how they measure "proficiency" for these kinds of surveys.

In my experience, even "high" proficiency would not even be sufficient to follow - for instance - classes in English, or have a decent in depth  debate. Moderate - in my experience - is laughable; it seems to be around the level you need to survive as a tourist (that is you can somehow communicate with hotel staff, order food, and have a chance of ordering a taxi to go in the right direction, or actually follow directions given. 

These tests also seem to focus on input in English (listening, reading), not producing output in English. 

 

This also assume that these tests are actually valid (so no cheating and such). Depending on the data source, even that is extremely suspect.

 

Now add to that quick typing, and this is where the fun starts. Note, btw, that South Africa and Singapore are former English colonies.

 

Output is always the problem. Especially speaking English. I do relatively well in terms of written language, but I'm super proficient in shutting up when it comes to speaking English...

[Corpsetaker]

On 10/1/2022 at 3:02 PM, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

I think it was a pretty bad idea of WG to allow all CIS player to come to EU server.

Nearly every match I face people writing in russian in the chat. I think most people on EU server dont speak russian. and most of themdont speak english

we simply cant communicate!

 

Hello,

 

The problem I have is what was the whole point in a separation to begin with? I thought this was supposed to be some sort of punishment for Russia and WG distancing themselves. They should have given RU their own server and blocked them from going to any other. Just letting them come over to other servers just defeats the purpose.

[Hades_warrior]

2 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Just learn the most common Russian insults, and you will be able to follow the conversation just fine. 

From what I know by playing Destiny 2 against Russians, word ''kurw.a'' was their common insult 

[Verblonde]

4 hours ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

Not sure how they measure "proficiency" for these kinds of surveys.

Not sure if this is what they used for the survey, but I have this page bookmarked - I get asked about this stuff quite a lot, and can never remember the 'textbook' answers: https://www.coe.int/en/web/common-european-framework-reference-languages/table-1-cefr-3.3-common-reference-levels-global-scale

 

7 hours ago, jss78 said:

In the Gen-X'er age range I don't think I literally know ANYONE who doesn't speak English.

Besides age, I think English proficiency varies with location, and the locations in question's historical levels of dealings with the bits of the world where English is useful to do business.

 

English is almost certainly the most sensible pick for a second language for obvious business reasons (although you can increasingly make a case for Mandarin), so it's not unreasonable to base assumptions for a 'common language' in something like WOWS around English. Meanwhile, I get the impression that the player base skews older, so one shouldn't be surprised to find players who don't speak (or type, in this case) the language...

[Dutchy_2019]

25 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Not sure if this is what they used for the survey, but I have this page bookmarked - I get asked about this stuff quite a lot, and can never remember the 'textbook' answers: https://www.coe.int/en/web/common-european-framework-reference-languages/table-1-cefr-3.3-common-reference-levels-global-scale

 

Besides age, I think English proficiency varies with location, and the locations in question's historical levels of dealings with the bits of the world where English is useful to do business.

 

English is almost certainly the most sensible pick for a second language for obvious business reasons (although you can increasingly make a case for Mandarin), so it's not unreasonable to base assumptions for a 'common language' in something like WOWS around English. Meanwhile, I get the impression that the player base skews older, so one shouldn't be surprised to find players who don't speak (or type, in this case) the language...

 

I know about the Common European Framework References (still have nightmares about that).

 

Just from my experience, first of all, it is relatively easy to teach to the test in this kind of thing (seen it happen, and to some extent deal with the results of that at least 4 days per week), but I also know that quite a few of these proficiency tests say very little about the actual proficiency of this test to actually function in an environment where English is needed for more than surviving as a tourist. Put it this way, a couple of the countries being coloured blue - I have a VERY different experience with the English proficiency of people from those countries (and those allegedly were the proficient ones); the proficiency they were supposed to possess (based on test certificates) was somewhat absent, to put it politely.

[Verblonde]

38 minutes ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

these proficiency tests say very little about the actual proficiency of this test to actually function in an environment where English is needed for more than surviving as a tourist.

I tend to agree with you! A common difficulty I see is making the transition from 'functional' English, for want of a better term, to the more idiomatic; it's the latter you need to communicate clearly with the fluent and/or native speakers.

 

As part of my 'how to be a tutor' course, I had to write several (pretty basic, to be honest) short essays on different aspects of learning English; my final one was explaining the value of teaching students colloquial English, including swearing, as without that stuff you'll miss a lot of what native speakers are on about...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

From what I know by playing Destiny 2 against Russians, word ''kurw.a'' was their common insult 

 

I could swear that's not a Russian word... it's a word in two other languages that I know of...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

English is almost certainly the most sensible pick for a second language for obvious business reasons (although you can increasingly make a case for Mandarin), so it's not unreasonable to base assumptions for a 'common language' in something like WOWS around English. Meanwhile, I get the impression that the player base skews older, so one shouldn't be surprised to find players who don't speak (or type, in this case) the language...

 

To pick a minor nit, though, English as a second language (ESL) is not necessarily the same as English as a foreign language (EFL). English as a second language is something non-native speakers learn in an English speaking country, whereas in all other environments (most countries) you learn it as a foreign language. There's a lot more acronyms that I don't even know about, see here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_as_a_second_or_foreign_language

 

I take it you mean English as a second language to learn after your native language, then it gets a little debatable which language should you pick first. Proficiency in English works rather differently from most other languages in that English is at first deceptively easy to learn, and it only starts to get difficult once you progress relatively far, whereas most other language work pretty much the exact opposite way. In other words, you may start with a more difficult language first, and then pick English a couple of years later. Of course, a lot of this depends on where you are, what languages are available at school, what are the prospects etc.

 

German was traditionally the lingua franca in Central and much of the Eastern Europe (including Russia), also an important language in Japan (medicine) and overall as the language of commerce. When my mother was studying economics at university, practically all the textbooks were still in German. English would not have helped much, but things have changed a bit since those days.

[Hades_warrior]

17 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I could swear that's not a Russian word... it's a word in two other languages that I know of...

You migh be right. This is what quora,com tells:

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For Russian speakers 'ku**wa' is a borrowed swear word from Polish. The more popular Russian counterpart is the famous 'blyat'.

So, ''blyat'' 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, Hades_warrior said:

You migh be right. This is what quora,com tells:

So, ''blyat'' 

 

A touch of class goes a long way as k***a is definitely more polished.

[Verblonde]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

To pick a minor nit, though, English as a second language (ESL) is not necessarily the same as English as a foreign language (EFL).

You're absolutely right; I tend to use the terms interchangeably (which I shouldn't), at least in casual conversation. If I'm ever being specific, I'll usually proper-case the words in question though...

[Hades_warrior]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

A touch of class goes a long way as k***a is definitely more polished.

Polish-ed indeed 

That K word became very classy among PvP games of other games. Sadly that brings and lot of Russian Polish cheaters in them aswell.

But I think the biggest insult to Russians would be to call them Polish 

[22cm]

2 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

From what I know by playing Destiny 2 against Russians, word ''kurw.a'' was their common insult 

No, it s a greeting.