cant communicat with exCIS player

[lafeel]

1 hour ago, Viridem said:

How many 40+ years old who can speak english do you know?

45 and have been mistaken for a native english speaker (I'm not) in the past.

[Lucretia_My_Reflection]

Vor 22 Minuten, ZygZag sagte:

Man,who cares. I've seen cheat-chats in German, French, Turkish, my own Polish... it did not and does not bother me.

Maybe your problem is that you have no idea if they ofend you? If yes - then just learn some basic swear words and it will help you. Cyrilic is not so complicated like f.ex. Japanese

no.

I dont give a crap on anyone offending me.

the issue is simply: nearly everyone on EU server can speak and understand english (beside all the french).

But the russians cant

konban wa!

ganbatte kudasai....

 

[Dutchy_2019]

Just now, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

no.

I dont give a crap on anyone offending me.

the issue is simply: nearly everyone on EU server can speak and understand english (beside all the french).

But the russians cant

 

 

I would say you are sooooooooo wrong about this. 

[Lucretia_My_Reflection]

Vor 2 Minuten, Dutchy_2019 sagte:

 

I would say you are sooooooooo wrong about this. 

ok.....maybe...(poi!)

but can we agree on: MOST people on EU server can speak and understand english....?

the problem is that most russians cant

[lafeel]

15 minutes ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

the issue is simply: nearly everyone on EU server can speak and understand english (beside all the french).

 

A lot of the French can understand english just fine, they just choose not to acknowledge it, which is a whole another discussion.

15 minutes ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

ganbatte kudasai....

 

Friendly suggestion: At least try a European language before you try Japanese, even if it basically means "good luck"

[Kysmet]

It's regrettable that some people don't use English. Either because they can't or don't want to. Some of the newly migrated CIS players certainly seem to fall in that group, but there's plenty of French and German players that seem incapable of understanding that it's better to ask stuff in English if you want your team to help you with something. I can understand them, so fine. I can't read Cyrillic, so it's just visual noise in my chat window that might drown out actually useful messages. Thankfully that doesn't happen often - in my experience they shut up if noone replies of they start getting answers in languages they obviously don't comprehend.

 

In any case, this is not something that is easily fixed.

[Lucretia_My_Reflection]

agree.

I am german, still I always chat english. I even respond in english to people chatting german.

I hate this arrogance to chat german and expect everyone to understand it.

 

[LiveWire___]

3 hours ago, lafeel said:

Both of you speak quick commands, you can use those to help.

But my quick commands are in English! 

 

How will that help?

 

[LiveWire___]

I think we should all communicate in Toki Pona, a language with only 137 words.

 

 

[Lucretia_My_Reflection]

Vor 39 Minuten, lafeel sagte:

A lot of the French can understand english just fine, they just choose not to acknowledge it, which is a whole another discussion.

Friendly suggestion: At least try a European language before you try Japanese, even if it basically means "good luck"

....ganbatte kudasai...?

not really.

look it up

[Ocsimano18]

I’d rather have an 50+% WR teammate who only communicates in cyrillic than a sub 45% WR guy who speaks proper English.

[bigdoguk]

I had a Russian guy go off on me because he thought it was a great idea taking on two cruises and a bb, I gave him support at a distance but he whent right up to them and then ranted in Russian the rest of the battle. 

[Northern_Nightowl]

Vor 5 Stunden, Verblonde sagte:

Of course, but I'm still not seeing your point - it's no worse (in terms of me understanding) than any other language I don't speak.

 

Naturally I fully understand that English is the world's de facto lingua franca (I suspect my sideline of being an English tutor would be rather less in demand were it otherwise), but it's down to the individual whether they learn it or not. I don't expect anyone else to necessarily know it in-game, so why should the CIS folk be any different?

Because they often use a script, Cyrillic, that is completely different from our usual Latin script. While some could make out words and get a basic understanding in languages not spoken but written in Latin script , this is hardly possible with Cyrillic, Kana, Arabic or any other mainly Asian writing methods.

If I'm writing to you something like "Le Français est un language indispensable dans le monde diplomatique" or "Deutsch war die Sprache der Wissenschaft in der ersten Hälfte des 20. Jahrhunderts", you may get what I'm saying here.

 

So, as long as the chat allows Cyrillic, communication issues will be immanent. Maybe it could be somewhat avoided if it gets a restriction to...What is is called in MS Word? Extended Latin-A? Well, I mean the sign coding that allows for every western European language (including the ß, the Umlauts, the Scandinavian diacritics and the liaisons as in French eye, "œil"), so that our gamer population may get what is written in chat even when not fluent in any language besides English. But the issue raised by the TO is quite understandable.

 

Regards, Nightowl

[Hades_warrior]

if there are less subs and cvs, I could imigrate to RU server 

[hgbn_dk]

2 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

ok.....maybe...(poi!)

but can we agree on: MOST people on EU server can speak and understand english....?

the problem is that most russians cant

Since when has it been required to speak and understand English to play on the EU server?? I see tons of German, Italian and French speaking playing And chatting in their own language.

[lafeel]

2 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

....ganbatte kudasai...?

not really.

look it up

"please do your best", I know. Still  basically is a another way to wish someone good luck.

[Rockstone_III]

How do you even recognize former CIS players?

I generally do not respond to chat (clan has discord) though reading it (German, English or Dutch) is sometimes funny... But I am yet to encounter cryllic characters.

 

In unrelated news, my damage numbers have gone up significantly... ...

[Nov_A]

Just communicate by spamming pings on the minimap, insults or hand signals. It is quite astonishing how easily understandable these methods are, even across cultural and language barriers.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

9 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

so nobody of you has faced 1 or 2 player chatting whole time in kyrillik...?

nearly all player on WU server can speak english, but nearly noone fron CIS server can!

and short commands are NOT sufficient to communicate in a match

Most of the people that i see writing in their native chats, probably dont know proper english.

I see this regularly from:

Germans

French

Polish

Spanish

Italians

Ukrainians and / or Russians

Turks

 

While for some other groups i believe most could speak english, but sometimes prefer their native languages between eachother:

Dutch

Swedish

Danish

Finnish

Norwegian (very few)

Greek

Portugese

Croatians

Serbs

Baltics

Hungarians

Etc

 

But for most people in the EU, theyd fall in the first category- particularly a lot of french and germans. I dont think they all know how to communicate in English well, which would also be reflected in the fact that there are for instance all sorts of multilinguistic resources:

German, French and Spanish all have:

- own forum

- own website

- own game client language

- own game client audio

- own youtube

- own wiki

- own content creators (CC programme) in native tongues

- own customer support

- own shop

- own mods languages even sometimes

 

 

To demonstrate how far that reaches, I, as a Dutchie am typing all this- but many Germans who use the forum wouldnt ever see this, since theyd ONLY use the german forum.

Id prefer if everyone spoke english, but as long as the game even supports other languages you cant reasonably expect anyone to conform to only english.

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

9 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

so nobody of you has faced 1 or 2 player chatting whole time in kyrillik...

How can Cyryllic bother you? For me it's the same as Germans chatting or French. And I see it very rare imho. Maybe once a day. 

 

9 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

and short commands are NOT sufficient to communicate in a match

You think that other players on EU would want to communicate? They ignore you or say "stfu I don't need you to tell me what to do". Hardly anyone responds positively these days. This is not 2016/17. 

9 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

From what I've seen they don't make it past the 5 minute mark in a game anyway. 

True, many of them play aggressive cause it was the case in CIS. Many of them were trying to switch their playstyle. 

9 hours ago, deathsadow said:

Asia is even more passive with literally every BB staying 20km out if noth further.

 

All of them have range mod there, even on Alaska....

[KillStealBoss]

4 hours ago, bigdoguk said:

I had a Russian guy go off on me because he thought it was a great idea taking on two cruises and a bb, I gave him support at a distance but he whent right up to them and then ranted in Russian the rest of the battle. 

In that case there's something called "mute" during the battle. No need even to blacklist him unless he continues in port. 

[KatsapenKiller]

А це вже щось новеньке "англомовна щелепа"))

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

12 hours ago, Humorpalanta said:

Okay, we know that French people don't speak any other language. We don't need daily reminders!!!!

French people speak F9.

[Latouche_Treville]

13 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Not strictly true: I once knew a splendid French academic (in Brittany, as I recall), who did speak English but refused to when in France; I don't speak any French (well, one or two words, but you know what I mean), so we compromised on a bit of Latin - even though mine was spectacularly weak even then...

Waynie Weedy Wiki?

[Dutchy_2019]

13 hours ago, Lucretia_My_Reflection said:

agree.

I am german, still I always chat english. I even respond in english to people chatting german.

I hate this arrogance to chat german and expect everyone to understand it.

 

 

Ahum, in many ways it is just as arrogant to expect everyone to understand English - something which in my experience quite a few native English-speakers expect. Even though within Europe they are in a definite minority.