Battle Pass Coming

[Onsterfelijke]

So i have to pay to grind for example dockyard events are they mad no one is going to pay for that. I never understood WoT BP i don't think we need it in WoWs just scarp it.

 

 

[Panocek]

12 hours ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

What's difference between this and the dockyard event?

Dockyard actually gives you ship, not so sure about BP.

[Yedwy]

10 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Come on now. Cut them some slack and give them a break.

After all, this is work-in-preogress.

Yeah just enough slack to hang themselves couse they are obviously going for the fast turnover and churn, however I am not convinced this particular gender of game will have much of that, this isnt RPG, mech, tanks or mano a mano FPS these are slow WW1-WW2 ships, a niche segment at best... Well we shall see I guess, the ususal WG apologists will prob arrive soon telling us how 20-25k players daily for years is brilliant and sign of a thriving game...

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

7 hours ago, LowSpeedHighDrag said:

Mode 3: All ships, but No CV's and No submarines

+1 would buy

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

13 hours ago, Viridem said:

Looks like WG stopped with the gambling

 

[Nov_A]

14 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

WoT has had Battle pass for quite some time, but I never actually figured out what it was other than something that needed real money.

It is quite simple. Play tonkz, get poinz =  battle pass progress. You can do the entire thing for free or upgrade via money to get more stuff.

 

Problem: The battle pass offers tokens as reward, which you can save up for buying tanks only limited to this method. Gatekeeping certain vehicles in WoT is already an issue and the only one benefiting are active players or people that play a lot. The stuff you recieve is also pretty good and widens the grinding gap between new, poor players and veterans that already have everything. Would not be an issue if the thing was entirely cosmetic.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

The stuff you recieve is also pretty good and widens the grinding gap between new, poor players and veterans that already have everything. Would not be an issue if the thing was entirely cosmetic.

Are prem ships in Wows stronger than the tech tree ones?

I believe most of the differences stem from the more experienced players getting them, and also getting them before the nerfbat. Remember when Stalingrad could skill fire prevention? Or smolensk the DD gunboat skills?

[NewHorizons_1]

35 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

... the ususal WG apologists will prob arrive soon telling us how 20-25k players daily for years is brilliant and sign of a thriving game...

They already have, et voilà  :-

 

14 hours ago, ReDiR20 said:

Player base is expanding. Subs, superships , a lot of new lines. This is the best supported game in the market

 

Anyway, loving idea of battlepass, but only if we still going to have Dockyards. More free stuff and as I see if we buy the pass, there is a premium ship to get

 

[Sunleader]

Erm ?

Can Someone Explain to me what exactly a Battle is and what it does ?

 

(No I am not Kidding. I have no Idea. I never used one)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

18 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

It is quite simple. Play tonkz, get poinz =  battle pass progress. You can do the entire thing for free or upgrade via money to get more stuff.

 

Problem: The battle pass offers tokens as reward, which you can save up for buying tanks only limited to this method. Gatekeeping certain vehicles in WoT is already an issue and the only one benefiting are active players or people that play a lot. The stuff you recieve is also pretty good and widens the grinding gap between new, poor players and veterans that already have everything. Would not be an issue if the thing was entirely cosmetic.

 

Doesn't that sound a bit like there is a P2W mechanism hidden somewhere in it?

[ItsEyeJasper]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Dockyard actually gives you ship, not so sure about BP.

If it turns out anything like WOT the final phase gives you a Pema Camo, which to be fair is not a bad reward for WOT considering that game is lacking in so many ways now. We will have to really evaluate the cost vs -  the Rewards provided, also Is it only purchasable through Hard Currency or through Doubloons. 

 

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

If it turns out anything like WOT the final phase gives you a Pema Camo, which to be fair is not a bad reward for WOT considering that game is lacking in so many ways now. We will have to really evaluate the cost vs -  the Rewards provided, also Is it only purchasable through Hard Currency or through Doubloons. 

 

From Battle Pass types I've encountered, one I might be interested in is Almost Working Armored Warfare type - you need to pay upfront to unlock it, missions are kinda grindy to get BP currency, but randomized offers in the BP shop does contain rare vehicles, including option to reroll these, if anyone need to get their daily gambling dose. That and arguably good "value" for money spent - 27€ for premium bundle, some playtime doing the missions and I've already bagged myself rare tier 4, 7 and 9, while BP is still ongoing for three more months to pick up anything else in meantime. Imagine getting Nikolai, Belfast and Kronshtadt for 27€, can't be WG

 

33 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Doesn't that sound a bit like there is a P2W mechanism hidden somewhere in it?

Most bottled piss types give (much) greater rewards when you buy them. For example, reward for achieving lvl10 in BP for f2p is 5k Coal, but paid one gives 15k Coal.

[RAYvenMP]

16 hours ago, Hirohito said:

Pretty much, the whole game industry seems to have completely shifted over to exploiting short term gains these days.
It's like much of the stock market, the only thing that matters are the next quarterly reports, building a long term base isn't even in the cards.

you are very much welcome to invest your life savings into some stock that will only net profits in 50 years. Even with 200% return guaranteed you still would not do it, because nobody wants to become rich decade after they die, they want it NOW.

Everything is supply vs demand, and if there was demand for subscription  based games, we would have more of those and less of this F2P/P2W crap

9 out of 10 loves to play for free because they actually do, the last guy pays the bills. Now, you can afford to sell just cosmetics if if you are in some mainstream genre like BR or MOBAs with 100m+ players, because then 10m pays the bills, in a niche slow paced war game, you will never reach such numbers so they sell pixels for $70, because they have to.

Don't pretend people spent more before the CVs or subs, they didn't, it was the same 9 of 10 playing for free, that will never change.

[Freidenker_251]

14 hours ago, Viridem said:

Can't wait to have this added to the game, so that I can check that pre-ogress.

 

 

Are they too like onions? Because I like onions.

 

You fool! Obviously, this is a typo and actually means "pre-ogres" because players can get early access to the exclusive captain Shrek.

 

About the battle pass itself - it seems pretty unnecessary to have a new one every month. I´d prefer fewer, but longer lasting ones.

And I´m pretty concerned about the distribution of the rewards. The battle pass is going to replace the current daily etc. missions and the picture in the dev blog also shows a SC, so I guess the monthly login rewards will be gone as well. For example, the current daily missions make it possible to earn some steal if you can make it through at least 5 of them - every single day, no matter if / how much you played the prior day / week / month. Within the battle pass, I presume most of the good stuff will be locked behind the later stages, so you would have to make steady progress throughout the month to be able to claim these rewards or accept to just get less stuff than before because WeeGee "improved" something again.

That would suck - I really like the current reward system overall and beside all the issues WoWS has, this is still one of the biggest advantages it has over WoT for me.

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Battlepass in WoWS??? YAY! I never wanted it but I'll still get it. 

[Vasya_Nyasha]

2 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Erm ?

Can Someone Explain to me what exactly a Battle is and what it does ?

 

(No I am not Kidding. I have no Idea. I never used one)

What is Battle Pass?
This is something like an experience bar with different levels. You get battle points by completing the missions. There are "free" part of battle pass and "paid" part of battle pass. Each level gave you the ability some kind of reward. If you "pay" for "paid" part of battle pass you also get additional rewards for each level.

So something like a dockyard, but more oriented about lot of small rewards, rather than one big. And its kinda day to day thing like containers for example.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

18 hours ago, Aragathor said:

The player base is shrinking, instead of fixing their mistakes they try to milk the remainder even harder.

 

Yep. Instead of listening to players actually TELLING them what's right and especially what's WRONG with the game, they double down, and when that produces the predictable outcome, they also double down on the monetization. 👍

[Sir_Sinksalot]

BP would be a good addition based on my experience of it in WoT(I've pretty much stopped playing WoT btw but for other reasons).

 

The reason for that is all players will get a sht-ton of free stuff simply for playing as normal but being a business it obviously features a premium upgraded option for cash or gold(doubloons) too, that comes with extra items but there's generally not a massive difference other than gaining extra BP tokens for the BP vehicles featured which initially is what players are usually crazed about "Gotta get the new tank!! I have a million great tanks already which I barely ever play but I gotta get this one NOW!!!". Those kinda people lol. 

 

Even if you don't pay for the premium upgrade version of BP, a player will still gather enough tokens to buy that BP vehicle but it just takes longer and that's the catch. For me it wasn't a problem since I don't get drawn in by gimmicks and shiny lights and big noises, but it does mean you will have to wait until probably the next iteration of BP a few months later in order to amass enough tokens via the F2P standard version. Can you wait 3 months before getting a new ship? Or maybe 6 months? Well, if you can't then you're going to be paying for it with money. If you can wait, then you will eventually get it for free whenever you get enough tokens. 

 

That's basically how the WoT BP plays out and looking at the screenshot, the WoWS version looks much the same thing. So you really shouldn't be annoyed by this until it's better understood how the WoWS version is going to translate and consider it like getting extra free stuff on top of what you currently already get along with periodically getting a free T9 BP ship(Or whatever tier WG are going to decide on for WoWS).

 

Also worth mentioning, the BP WoT tanks are NOT premium vehicles and don't come with premium tank levels of economy. I'd expect the BP ships to be no different. They just feature the ability to universally transfer commanders from that nation the same way a premium vehicle does, and have a perma-free large repair kit which is an exclusive feature to the BP tanks. For everything else though, it's the same economy as a regular tech-tree tank.

 

Finally, so far the BP tanks have mostly not been over-powered carrots for donkeys to chase and are mostly average or "decent" tanks(and some rather meh). Hopefully that will be the case with BP ships too.

[________________Morrison]

Can't wait for a montly subscription to play the game in the first place

 

Got the GOTY of Shadow of war today. included the shadow of mordor game and dlc.

Only 10,49. Fuckin steal for the time you can spend in it.

 

For that I can get enough doubloons to change my name OR do 3 spins in the randombundles casino in this game.

Here it's suggested to have an enjoyable and reasonable experience to pay up. 

 

Yea thanks  ol pal wg

 

Why don't you impale us more while youre at it.

[Hades_warrior]

16 hours ago, Viridem said:

 

Tokachi is tier VII, not tier X

I thought it was tier X because on the screenshot we can see a silver-gold Premium icon, which is icon for ''special'' ships, and they all are TX.

[Verblonde]

2 hours ago, Freidenker_251 said:

Obviously, this is a typo and actually means "pre-ogres" because players can get early access to the exclusive captain Shrek.

I was thinking perhaps Princess Fiona - 'ogress'...?

[Verblonde]

3 hours ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

If it turns out anything like WOT the final phase gives you a Pema Camo, which to be fair is not a bad reward

The WOT edition is better than that, if you play enough: periodically, you get rewarded tokens (naturally, a lot more of them if you buy access to the premium path), and those tokens can be swapped for T9 reward tanks (well, assorted AFS - at least one I've nabbed is a TD).

 

I think you need to participate in more than one if you're f2p to get the more expensive options.

 

It's worth noting though that the WOT battle passes aren't continuous; it sounds like the WOWS version will be happening all the time, and - in part - is a different way of simply presenting the daily/weekly/monthly missions. My suspicion is that the free part may well not give the players anything much that's new, while the paid portion will be the new stuff...

 

To illustrate, these are some of the AFVs that are available for points in WOT:

 

Spoiler

 

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

pay us money for more mediocre rewards!

[Aragathor]

19 minutes ago, ARE_YOU_HUMAN said:

pay us money for more mediocre rewards!

Most likely. My money's on this being a  monthly subscription around 30€ for mediocre underpowered premiums plus some bad stuff you have to grind for.

Nothing worthwhile for anyone but people who are gullible.

[black_falcon120]

31 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Most likely. My money's on this being a  monthly subscription around 30€ for mediocre underpowered premiums plus some bad stuff you have to grind for.

Nothing worthwhile for anyone but people who are gullible.

I mean, it depends on the premiums involved. This could end up being an okay deal, that said, i'm unlikely to buy it. I have enough trouble with stopping wows becoming a second job...