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Submarines (Poll): Improvements and I-401 (and ARP I-401) Introduction

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Submarine Opinion Poll; What To Do With Them  

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  1. 1. Submarines: USA and German Submarines as we know them currently, plus all of the Submarines that will be added later - Should they get More PvE Operations?

    • The Current Submarine Operation (Pending Release in 0.11.9) is Enough for now
      12
    • We Need More Operations - Tier X Specific
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Tier VIII Specific
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Tier VI Specific
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Tiers VI and VIII
      0
    • We Need More Operations - All Tiers (VI, VIII, and X)
      5
    • We Need More Operations - Combined Arms, Tier VI - VIII Submarines mixed in with everything else
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Combined Arms, Tier VI - VIII Submarines mixed in with everything else, along with ALL Existing Operations to be Updated to allow Submarines to Enter
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Combined Arms, Tier X Submarines mixed in with Tier X everything else
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Combined Arms, Tier VI - VIII Submarines mixed in with everything else, PLUS Advanced Combined Arms, Tier X Submarines mixed in with Tier X everything else
      0
    • We Need More Operations - Combined Arms, Tier VI - VIII Submarines mixed in with everything else, along with ALL Existing Operations to be Updated to allow Submarines to Enter, PLUS Advanced Combined Arms, Tier X Submarines mixed in with Tier X everything else
      1

  2. 2. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - How should this be Introduced?

    • I-401 - Available via Missions ONLY, a Mission Line should be completed, before the Ship is awarded
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    • I-401 - Available via Missions, a Mission Line should be completed to get the I-401, but the Option to use "FREE XP" and "Credits" should also be available too
      1
    • I-401 - Available via "FREE XP" and "Credits" without the Option for a Mission Line to earn the Ship
      0
    • I-401 - Available via "Doubloons" for a Period of time, and then later for "Coal"
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    • I-401 - Available via ANY Means, Mission Line, "FREE XP" and "Credits", "Doubloons", "Coal", Whatever the Player wants to use
      4

  3. 3. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - Restrictions, and Limitations, should it be Usage Restricted from some Game Modes?

    • I-401 - CAN Enter PvE Modes ONLY, Period
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    • I-401 - CAN Enter PvE Modes, and Random PvP Battles, but NOTHING Else
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    • I-401 - CAN Enter PvE Modes, for now, and Random PvP Battles Later
      4

  4. 4. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - Airstrike Armament, what Timer (mm:ss) should it have? - This Assumes that ONLY ONE Aircraft Type can be applied at a time, Selected Before Battle

    • I-401 - 3 Aircraft, 90 Seconds Reload (01:30)
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    • I-401 - 3 Aircraft, 120 Seconds Reload (02:00)
      2
    • I-401 - 3 Aircraft, 150 Seconds Reload (02:30)
      2
    • I-401 - 3 Aircraft, 180 Seconds Reload (03:00)
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  5. 5. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - Airstrike Armament, what Aircraft Types should be available (SLOT ONE)? - This Assumes that ONLY ONE Aircraft Type can be applied at a time, Selected Before Battle

    • I-401 - Attack Aircraft
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    • I-401 - Bombers
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    • I-401 - Skip Bombers
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    • I-401 - Torpedo Bombers
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  6. 6. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - Airstrike Armament, what Aircraft Types should be available (SLOT TWO)? - This Assumes that ONLY ONE Aircraft Type can be applied at a time, Selected Before Battle

    • I-401 - Attack Aircraft
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    • I-401 - Bombers
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    • I-401 - Skip Bombers
      1
    • I-401 - Torpedo Bombers
      1
    • I-401 - NO SECOND OPTION, It gets ONE Type of Aircraft, and no ability to choose anything else regardless
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  7. 7. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - Airstrike Armament, what Aircraft Types should be available (SLOT THREE)? - This Assumes that ONLY ONE Aircraft Type can be applied at a time, Selected Before Battle

    • I-401 - Attack Aircraft
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    • I-401 - Bombers
      4
    • I-401 - Skip Bombers
      0
    • I-401 - Torpedo Bombers
      1
    • I-401 - NO THIRD OPTION, It gets TWO Types of Aircraft to Choose from before Battle, and nothing else
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    • I-401 - ANY Type of Aircraft can be Selected before Battle, with the only restriction being, only ONE Type at a Time
      0

  8. 8. Submarines: I-401 Specifically - What Variants should exist (aside from the Normal Version)?

    • I-401 - ONLY ONE TYPE, Use Skins to Modify it later
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    • I-401 - Black Friday Variant
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    • I-401 - ARP Variant (Arpeggio Collaboration)
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    • I-401 - Both Black Friday, and ARP Variants
      4

  9. 9. Submarines: ARP I-401 Specifically - Assuming that an ARP Collaboration was done with the ARP I-401, how should it be Introduced? - This Assumes that the ARP Variant was Introduced at all

    • I-401 - Available via Missions ONLY, a Mission Line should be completed, before the Ship is awarded
      8
    • I-401 - Available via Missions, a Mission Line should be completed to get the ARP I-401, but the Option to use "Credits" should also be available too
      0
    • I-401 - Available via "Credits" without the Option for a Mission Line to earn the Ship
      0
    • I-401 - Available via "Doubloons" without the Option for a Mission Line to earn the Ship
      4
    • I-401 - Available via ANY Means, Mission Line, "Credits", "Doubloons", Whatever the Player wants to use
      6

  10. 10. Submarines: ALL Submarines, and Hybrid Submarines - Should a Single Player Mode be Introduced?

    • YES - The Player Enters with their Submarine, and Waves of Ships keep coming until they are sunk
      3
    • YES - Just a Standard 1 VS 12 Scenario (3 Convoy Ships, and 9 Escorts), idea is to sink all 3 Convoy Ships first (before they reach the Check Point), and Clean up the remaining 9 Escorts as a Bonus
      6
    • NO - Don't bother with a Single Player Mode
      9

  11. 11. Submarines: Do you like Submarines?

    • YES - All Game Modes
      1
    • YES - ONLY in PvE, and NOT PvP
      1
    • YES - ONLY in PvP, and NOT PvE
      0
    • YES - All Game Modes, but only a bit, so would only want just ONE on each team
      2
    • Impartial - Not really bothered by them, slightly annoying to be on the receiving end of them, but it's nothing noteworthy
      0
    • NO - I Absolutely can't Stand them
      7
    • NO - I not only Hate them with a Passion, but I'd much rather Abandon the game, or Report Players just for using them
      6
    • NO - I Hate them so much, I'm going to Stop Playing this Game Eventually
      1

  12. 12. Aircraft Carriers: Do you like Aircraft Carriers?

    • YES - All Game Modes, though I prefer to have TWO Carriers per Match, rather than just ONE
      1
    • YES - All Game Modes, though ONLY ONE at a Time, nothing more than that
      2
    • YES - ONLY in PvE, and NOT PvP
      1
    • YES - ONLY in PvP, and NOT PvE
      0
    • Impartial - Not really bothered by them, slightly annoying to be on the receiving end of them, but it's nothing noteworthy
      4
    • NO - I Absolutely can't Stand them
      4
    • NO - I not only Hate them with a Passion, but I'd much rather Abandon the game, or Report Players just for using them
      5
    • NO - I Hate them so much, I'm going to Stop Playing this Game Eventually
      1

  13. 13. Hybrid Ships: Hybrid Ships in General - Do you like Hybrid Ships?

    • YES - All Game Modes
      3
    • YES - All Game Modes, though ONLY ONE at a Time, nothing more than that
      2
    • YES - ONLY in PvE, and NOT PvP
      0
    • YES - ONLY in PvP, and NOT PvE
      1
    • Impartial - Not really bothered by them, slightly annoying to be on the receiving end of them, but it's nothing noteworthy
      5
    • NO - I Absolutely can't Stand them
      3
    • NO - I not only Hate them with a Passion, but I'd much rather Abandon the game, or Report Players just for using them
      2
    • NO - I Hate them so much, I'm going to Stop Playing this Game Eventually
      2

  14. 14. Hybrid Ships: The I-401 - Would you like to see the I-401 in the future, once the Submarines have been Balanced properly?

    • YES - I would like to see the I-401, and the sooner the better
      2
    • YES - I would like to see the I-401, but they need to get the Submarines Balanced before they dare add such a Ship into the Game
      2
    • YES - I would like to see the I-401, but only if it's Restricted to PvE Modes
      1
    • YES - I would like to see the I-401, but I'm not in any rush what so ever, they can take their time about it
      1
    • Impartial - It won't bother me in the slightest, and I couldn't care less
      2
    • NO - I'm not looking forward to it, and the longer they delay it, the better
      3
    • NO - If I see the I-401, I'm going to Abandon Sessions, or Report Players just for using the thing
      6
    • NO - The Second I see the I-401, I'm going to "Hit the Road Jack" out of here
      1

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AGT_ZURU
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OK, so this Poll is to clarify the full Opinion of Submarines, and in part, Aircraft Carriers, among Players.

This Poll will not Include Options to see the Complete Removal of Submarines from the Game, as WarGamingNet has Officially Confirmed that Submarines (and Aircraft Carriers) are here to stay.

So, this Poll is going to explore the Options of what the Players would like done with the Ships that people don't like.

 

Please note, on the grounds that the I-401 was a REAL Ship, it is only logical that the Developers will include it at some point, thus, the Option to have it to NEVER be Introduced into the game, is not an Option.

Players didn't want Hybrid Ships in the Game, but they got added anyway, at least this isn't a case like the Kearsarge, and made up.

I will include a Full and Complete Run-Down of the entire I-401 Specifications, and Statistics, along with all Equipment Upgrades.

 

To at least try to be fair though, while there is almost a guaranty that the I-401 will be introduced eventually, I have included a Poll Entry regarding the Opinion of Submarines, Aircraft Carriers, and Hybrid Ships in General.

Additionally, a Question about Players, and their Opinion about the I-401, and if they would like to see such a thing (since some people have been quick to Hate it, calling it "Sky Cancer Submersible Scum" as quoted from another User in the Forum).

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Lootboxer
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Can't answer all detailed questions about I-some numbers, as I have no idea really, sadly poll will not register  answers to the other questions unless every question is answered, so :etc_swear:it.

Just take all those subs WG and put them where they belong and would fit nicely because of a phallic shape and a bad smell. If that's not possible then create sub exclusive PvP or PvE modes for griefers but keep them awayfrom randoms, ranked and CBs please.

Yes, I know, subs are coming regardless and WG doesn't care about our opinions. After all silent minority loves them.

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invicta2012
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Short answers:

 

Sub Operations require lots of new AI processes which is development time better used elsewhere

I-401 was a hybrid with torpedo bombers, so that's what it should be in the game

ARP I-401 should have a nice camo, perhaps an animated captain, like the other ARP ships

Subs are boring

Yes I like CVs but no-one likes double CV games especially at Tier IV

Hybrid ships are fine and not game breaking 

 

HTH

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Ronchabale
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So again a poll with no negative options... 

Are you some sort of bot thats trying to ram subs and cv:s down our throats

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Submarines-i vote- no,nein,non,nie and no grazie add any languages word for no please. 

 

No to the underwater cigars.

Subs are boring and do not work well in wows.

They will either be massively overpowered or do so little it will be embarrasing.

 

Either put them in their own game modes or drop them completely.

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AGT_ZURU
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So, to everyone saying 'NO' I must refer you to my First Post (Comment #1) and point out why there is no option to just say 'NO' to the Submarines.

 

WarGamingNet has already STATED that it will NOT be Removing Submarines from the Game, no matter how many people absolutely hate them.

Additionally, since they intend to only ADD more Submarines into the Game, it wouldn't make much sense to leave some of them out entirely just because Players hated the Class all together.

 

I would be the first to shout out that Submarines (and Carriers alike), NEED to have their own Game Modes.

The issue of there only being one Game Mode in the entire Game, is kind of getting a bit stale and old.

There may be PvE Co-Op, but seriously, it's rewards are so low that it's clear that you're not meant to be playing that Mode unless you're just testing a Ship's configuration, or have already got everything you wanted from the Game.

There may be PvE Operations, but again, it should be noted that with the limited number of Operations, this doesn't hold interest for long among many Players, and when combined with relatively low Rewards, and the problem of Tier's IX and X being left out... You get the idea.

Then we come to PvP, the only Game Mode that the Developers intended players to actually play, and the only one that is actually rewarding (even losing carries a higher reward than winning in PvE Co-Op).

 

The lack of Game Modes is what destroys the entire thing.

If there were more Game Modes, then nobody would have a problem with Submarines.

The lack of Game Modes means, Submarines are going to run into criticism, and there are loads of Players who hate them.

 

As the I-401 was a Real Ship, there is no question behind 'IF' it will be added into the Game.

The I-401 will be in the Game at some point, maybe tomorrow, maybe next year, maybe the year after next, but it will happen.

Players may not like the idea of Hybrid Ships, and they may Hate Submarines, however, there is no question as to whether or not the I-401 will pop up.

They added the Kearsarge for crying out loud, so it would make no sense to not add the I-401 at this point.

 

 

 

So, as annoying as Submarines might be, it's really just a matter of Over-Hype.

The only Players having an issue with Aircraft, are those who are unlucky enough to face swarms of Aircraft that are Damage Soaking Sponges.

The only Players having an issue with Submarines, are those unlucky enough to be in a Session with Players who know what they are doing with them, and who have Teams that just don't work as a Team.

Any group of 3 Players, going up against a Submarine is not going to phased by them one bit.

With even just Decent (or even just Lucky Coincidental) Team Work, can counter a Submarine in a matter of Seconds.

3 Sets of ASW Aircraft are going to make light work of a Submarine in no time, even if the Aim is beyond appalling (even Aircraft Carriers are now finally going to get some ASW Protection of their own, all be it limited, in Update 0.11.9).

 

So, in short, you're all making out like they are that bad of a thing, when in actuality, they are not too big of a deal.

Just stop 'Lone Wolfing' the Game out, and work as a Team, then Submarines are just easy XP, and not too much of a threat.

As for Aircraft, use the AA Signal Flag if they are much of a bother to you.

Don't forget to 'Concentrate Fire' to one side or the other, and you should be relatively fine.

Little Tip, a Battleship combined with almost any Cruiser with even semi-decent AA is just a death trap to any Aircraft.

As I said, stop 'Lone Wolfing' like a bunch of brainless fools, and you're not going to have a problem.

Be aware of your own AA Bubble, and the AA Bubbles of other Ships near you, and when you have a problem, bring your Bubbles closer.

 

 

 

As I said, the issue is not with the Submarines themselves, but with the poor implementation of them, and the lack of Game Modes that can support them properly.

WarGamingNet is NOT going to remove Submarines, so that's why I added Questions 11 through 14.

Questions 1 through 10 are not meant to ask 'YES' or 'NO' to Submarines, as no matter what, WarGamingNet is NOT going to remove them.

If you don't like them, then answer Questions 11 through 14, in order to reflect this, as Questions 1 through 10 are meant to establish how they are to be implemented (as WarGamingNet won't remove them).

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Nibenay78
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Clicked some random answer on top only so I would be allowed to answer "NO! HATE! on CVs and Subs

 

Hope that works ok for the poll.

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AGT_ZURU
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49 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Clicked some random answer on top only so I would be allowed to answer "NO! HATE! on CVs and Subs

 

Hope that works ok for the poll.

 

OK, fine, so long as I know what said 'Random' Response was, so as to count that specific item VOID.

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On 9/24/2022 at 6:53 AM, Nov_A said:

No.

Yes. This is the simple answer to the poll I was looking for. But there was no such alternative. No! Just…NO!

 

Put subs in a mode of their own and see how many surface ships will play there…..

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6 hours ago, AGT_ZURU said:

So, to everyone saying 'NO' I must refer you to my First Post (Comment #1) and point out why there is no option to just say 'NO' to the Submarines.

*snip*

Wont be responding to the poll since it lacks the option to say "no thankyou", and yes I appreciate that its very unlikely that subs will be removed (or moved to their own mode) but it still shouldnt be a case of put up and shut up about how a lot of the player base feel about them. By responding to the poll above people are forced to give a tacit "subs are fine" response due to the lack of any option to say otherwise in the majority of the questions.

 

I would question the validity of a poll that effectively asks "would you like to be punched in the face or in the groin?" without the option to request not being punched at all.

 

To summarise, nope.

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Chysagon
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As the vote is pointless as you pointed out in one of your posts-because WG will do want they want to with subs, why do we need to vote on something WG has already decuded on ?,

Beleve me i have posted a poll myself-they are just ignored.

Plus submarines will be wedged into any mode they can put them into.

Because they can...simple.

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Having tried the submarine operation in both rounds of testing I’m very disappointed, even by WGs extremely lazy standards this operation is beyond boring and embarrassingly easy. 
 

As a result I seriously question if WG will bother making more submarine ops, because I seriously doubt many people will want to play such a boring op more than a handful of times. 
 

In theory submarine based ops could be fun and something I would wholeheartedly support but after seeing what they came up with I’m less than impressed.
 

 

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24 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

this operation is beyond boring and embarrassingly easy. 

Ok. Now consider the skill level of the average submarine player in randoms. I mean, they balanced the whole class around these utter potatos, just how dumbed down do you think the operations need to be? See?

 

For me it's a thumbs up, because if the operations don't cause frustration, we might see fewer of them in randoms.

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7 hours ago, AGT_ZURU said:

 

OK, fine, so long as I know what said 'Random' Response was, so as to count that specific item VOID.

I was tired and grumpy yesterday evening. It might have slipped my mind. 

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14 hours ago, AGT_ZURU said:

<snip>

 

WG dont care about you or your ideas, dont be under the misapprehension that they do.

 

They see you exactly as you appear to see yourself, just as currency, so telling us that you wont include a no option because they wont listen is kind of ironic when you have made a poll like this.

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