Italian aircraft carrier. What thread can be?

[TheKaramelka]

Earlier i do post with French aircraft carrier. Today i wanna try to make an assumption on Italian aircraft carriers. So:

General Features

• All aircraft have high speed and high survivability, but they but there are few of them in air groups. 
• Carriers have not good booking

Attack aicraft

• They got big rockets, with high damage, penetration and fire chance. But like Tiny Tims, S-21 they gotlong working machine gun action times.

Torpedo bombers

• They have similar to Aquilla torpedo - big damage, slow speed.

Dive bombers

• They have new type bombs - SAP bombs. They got bigger damage then HE bomb, and bigger penetration, but they cant set on fire and can give a ricochet.

Representatives:

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Italian aircraft carrier Falco, Tier IV

The initial version of the conversion of the liner Augustus into an aircraft carrier.

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Displacement: 23000 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 13 mm

Armor belt: 13 mm

Overall length: 202,4 m

Hit points: 33900

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Fiat CR.32

Number of aircrafton deck: 5

Aircraft per squadron: 3

Size of attacking flight: 1

Hit points: 1520

Speed: 133

Max speed: 173

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type:  Wfr.Gr.28

Machine gun action time: 3 sec

Max HE Damage: 2200

Number of rockets on the plane: 2

Fire chance: 12%

Armor penetration of HE: 20 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 68 sec

Torpedo bombers: Fiat B.R.1

Number of aircrafton deck: 3

Aircraft per squadron: 2

Size of attacking flight: 1

Hit points: 2010

Speed: 134

Max speed: 169

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F175

Max Torpedo Damage: 5967

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 30

Torpedo range: 3,5 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 504 m

Flood chance: 57 %

Aircraft recovery time: 61 sec

Dive bombers: IMAM Ro.1

Number of aircrafton deck: 5

Aircraft per squadron: 3

Size of attacking flight: 1

Hit points: 1800

Speed: 131

Max speed: 166

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 31 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 4400

Number of bombs on the plane: 2

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 42 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 62 sec

Secondary Armament:

6х1 152-мм/45 Ansaldo Model 1911

      Reload time: 11 sec

      Max Damage: 2100

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 25 mm

      Firing range: 4,0 km

      HE initial velocity: 870 m/s

4x1 102-мм/45 Model 1935

      Reload time: 5 sec

      Max Damage: 1450

      Fire Chance: 6%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 4,0 km

      HE initial velocity: 850 m/s

AA defense:

4x1 102-мм/45 Model 1935

Maximum speed: 18 kts.

Turning circle radius: 830 m

Rudder shift time: 9,4 sec

Surface detectability: 10,1 km

Air detectability: 8,2 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Nibbio, Tier VI

*my author's picture thanks to the mentions

Project of conversion in aircraft carrier heavy cruiser Bolzano, which was heavily damaged.

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Displacement: 14800 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 13 mm

Armor belt: 75 mm

Overall length: 196 m

Hit points: 40800

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: IMAM Ro.57bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1670

Speed: 150

Max speed: 190

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: Wfr.Gr.32

Machine gun action time: 4,5 sec

Max HE Damage: 3350

Number of rockets on the plane: 2

Fire chance: 18%

Armor penetration of HE: 30 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 63 sec

Torpedo bombers: Savoia-Marchetti SM.86bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 2220

Speed: 148

Max speed: 183

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F175

Max Torpedo Damage: 5967

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 30

Torpedo range: 3,5 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 504 m

Flood chance: 57 %

Aircraft recovery time: 69 sec

Dive bombers: Savoia-Marchetti SM.86bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1980

Speed: 146

Max speed: 181

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 100 kg. M

Max Bomb Damage: 6600

Number of bombs on the plane: 3

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 53 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 66 sec

Secondary Armament:

8х2 100-мм/47 Model 1924/27/28

      Reload time: 6 sec

      Max Damage: 1500

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 5,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 850 m/s

AA defense:

8х2 100-мм/47 Model 1924/27/28

12x6 20-мм/70 Scotti Model 1941

Maximum speed: 36 kts.

Turning circle radius: 900 m

Rudder shift time: 11,1 sec

Surface detectability: 10,3 km

Air detectability: 7,2 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Airone, Tier VIII

*my author's picture thanks to the mentions

Project of conversion in aircraft carrier battleship Impero. Project was not release.

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Displacement: 38430 t.

Plating: 16 mm

Deck: 16 mm

Armor belt: 105 mm

Overall length: 240 m

Hit points: 55100

Torpedo protection: 24%

Attack Aircraft: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1840

Speed: 171

Max speed: 211

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: Wfr.Gr.21E

Machine gun action time: 5 sec

Max HE Damage: 4450

Number of rockets on the plane: 4

Fire chance: 25%

Armor penetration of HE: 40 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 67 sec

Torpedo bombers: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 6

Aircraft per squadron: 4

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 2220

Speed: 148

Max speed: 183

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F200

Max Torpedo Damage: 7133

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 30

Torpedo range: 3,5 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 570 m

Flood chance: 61%

Aircraft recovery time: 72 sec

Dive bombers: Reggiane Re.2001 OR Falco II

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 2185

Speed: 162

Max speed: 197

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 104 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 7150

Number of bombs on the plane: 3

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 55 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 60 sec

Secondary Armament:

4х3 152-мм/55 Model 1936

      Reload time: 8 sec

      Max Damage: 2100

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 25 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 950 m/s

10х1 90-мм/50 Model 1939

      Reload time: 4 sec

      Max Damage: 1300

      Fire Chance: 5%

      Armor penetration: 15 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 860 m/s

AA defense:

10х1 90-мм/50 Model 1939

4x2 65-мм/64 Model 1939

2х4 37-мм/54 Model 1939

8x6 20-мм/70 Scotti Model 1941

Maximum speed: 30 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1070 m

Rudder shift time: 14,3 sec

Surface detectability: 12,5 km

Air detectability: 10,5 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Аvvoltoio, Tier X

*my author's picture thanks to the mentions

A project to convert a large cruise liner into an aircraft carrier, which was quite suitable for this role.

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Displacement: 48900 t.

Plating: 19 mm

Deck: 32 mm

Armor belt: 54 mm

Overall length: 274 m

Hit points: 66900

Torpedo protection: 20%

Attack Aircraft: Fiat G.56

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 2030

Speed: 197

Max speed: 237

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: Wfr.Gr.21

Machine gun action time: 6 sec

Max HE Damage: 5600

Number of rockets on the plane: 4

Fire chance: 31%

Armor penetration of HE: 50 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 72 sec

Torpedo bombers: Fiat G.55S

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 2700

Speed: 182

Max speed: 217

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm Si200

Max Torpedo Damage: 9167

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 30

Torpedo range: 3,5 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 525 m

Flood chance: 71%

Aircraft recovery time: 79 sec

Dive bombers: Fiat G.57

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 2420

Speed: 180

Max speed: 215

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: SAP Bomba da 104 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 7150

Number of bombs on the plane: 4

Armor penetration of SAP bombs: 55 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 70 sec

Secondary Armament:

12х2 120-мм/50 Ansaldo Model 1940

      Reload time: 4,5 sec

      Max Damage: 1750

      Fire Chance: 8%

      Armor penetration: 20 mm

      Firing range: 6,9 km

      HE initial velocity: 840 m/s

AA defense:

12х2 120-мм/50 Ansaldo Model 1940

6x2 65-мм/64 Model 1939

8х4 37-мм/54 Model 1939

25x6 20-мм/70 Scotti Model 1941

Maximum speed: 33,5 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1170 m

Rudder shift time: 16,2 sec

Surface detectability: 14,8 km

Air detectability: 14,5 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

 

 

Premiums:

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Italian aircraft carrier Sparviero, Tier VI

The version of the conversion of the liner Augustus into an aircraft carrier in 1943. In the game attack aircraft slow, but they got longer engine boost and AP rockets. Torpedo bombers and dive bombers have high speed but low survivability. Dive bomb have HE bomb.

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Displacement: 23000 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 13 mm

Armor belt: 13 mm

Overall length: 202,4 m

Hit points: 42100

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Reggiane Re.2001 OR

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1170

Speed: 99

Max speed: 139

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Rockets type: RZ-73

Machine gun action time: 1,5 sec

Max AP Damage: 1700

Number of rockets on the plane: 12

Armor penetration of AP: 141 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 52 sec

Torpedo bombers: Reggiane Re.2001 G

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1290

Speed: 153

Max speed: 188

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 450 mm F175 A

Max Torpedo Damage: 4767

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 47 kts.

Torpedo range: 8 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 637 m

Flood chance: 32%

Aircraft recovery time: 59 sec

Dive bombers:Savoia-Marchetti SM.86W

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1240

Speed: 153

Max speed: 188

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE Bomba da 800 kg Modello 1928

Max Bomb Damage: 12000

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 65%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 70 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 66 sec

Secondary Armament:

8х1 135-мм/45 Model 1938

      Reload time: 10,7 sec

      Max Damage: 1950

      Fire Chance: 9%

      Armor penetration: 23 mm

      Firing range: 4,5 km

      HE initial velocity: 875 m/s

AA defense:

8x1 65-мм/64 Model 1939

4х6 20-мм/70 Scotti Model 1941

Maximum speed: 18 kts.

Turning circle radius: 830 m

Rudder shift time: 9,7 sec

Surface detectability: 10,1 km

Air detectability: 8,2 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

Italian aircraft carrier Gufo, Tier VIII

One of the options for the Bonfigletti project, which was quite large. In the game have big and fast air group, but with low hp. Air groups are represented by attack aircraft, bombers with AP bombs and skip bombers with HE bombs

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Displacement: 17450 t.

Plating: 16 mm

Deck: 16 mm

Armor belt: 16 mm

Overall length: 220 m

Hit points: 53100

Torpedo protection: 10%

Attack Aircraft: Fiat G.55bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 18

Aircraft per squadron: 12

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1260

Speed: 172

Max speed: 212

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: Wfr.Gr.21

Machine gun action time: 6 sec

Max HE Damage: 5600

Number of rockets on the plane: 2

Fire chance: 31%

Armor penetration of HE: 50 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 58 sec

Skip bombers: Breda Ba.88 Lince bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 18

Aircraft per squadron: 12

Size of attacking flight: 4

Hit points: 1420

Speed: 171

Max speed: 206

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE Bomba da 250 kg Tipo III

Max Bomb Damage: 7300

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 42%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 41 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 66 sec

Dive bombers: Breda Ba.88 Lince bis

Number of aircrafton deck: 18

Aircraft per squadron: 12

Size of attacking flight: 4

Hit points: 1420

Speed: 171

Max speed: 206

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: AP Bomba da 150 kg

Max Bomb Damage: 3600

Number of bombs on the plane: 2

Armor penetration of AP bombs: 350 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 66 sec

Secondary Armament:

4х2 152-мм/55 Model 1936

      Reload time: 8 sec

      Max Damage: 2100

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 25 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 950 m/s

10х2 100-мм/47 Model 1924/27/28

      Reload time: 6 sec

      Max Damage: 1500

      Fire Chance: 7%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 850 m/s

AA defense:

10х2 100-мм/47 Model 1924/27/28

12x2 37-мм/54 Breda Model 1932

14x6 20-мм/70 Scotti Model 1941

Maximum speed: 29 kts.

Turning circle radius: 960 m

Rudder shift time: 14,7 sec

Surface detectability: 12,7 km

Air detectability: 10,4 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

 

Aircraft on levels:

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This is my personal proposal and not the fact that ships will ever appear in the game or my concept will be taken into attention!

Thank you for your attention!

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Don't know how it was on CIS, but CVs are despised on this forum :)

[TheKaramelka]

2 hours ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

Don't know how it was on CIS, but CVs are despised on this forum :)

Oh i understend ^^"
On CIS there discuss them, and not only lovers but also their opponents. After all, they must know the enemy in person)

[Onsterfelijke]

Put it in the CV thread on top so oneone will notice.

 

[Ronchabale]

The Italian planes look nice

Still think CV:s should be in a separate or opt out game mode

[ReDiR20]

3 hours ago, RenamedUser_92906789 said:

Don't know how it was on CIS, but CVs are despised on this forum :)

 

Because low skill players here can't bother to learn how to play against CV? Same with subs

[FukushuNL]

49 minutes ago, ReDiR20 said:

 

Because low skill players here can't bother to learn how to play against CV? Same with subs

No, because they are breaking many game mechanics that are inherrent to old ship lines/classes and do not play by the same rules the core game design is based upon. They belong in a different game or need to be heavily adjusted.

[Marblehead_1]

Impero had pretty interesting proposal of conversion into V-1 missle carrier. There is book by Davide F.Jabes and Steffano Sappino "Aircraft Carrier Impero" about this conversion and Italy carriers projects which were much more numerous that I thought. 

 

Now imagine butthurt if WG makes Impero with guided missles  Brace yourellfs fecal typhoon is coming! 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, ReDiR20 said:

Because low skill players here can't bother to learn how to play against CV? Same with subs 

I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

 

The skill required is to bring along your own, better CV, because CVs are only balanced by the fact "that the enemy team also has one". Same with subs. The issue at hand is that WG balances just how "fun" it is to play a thing, never how "fun" it is to be on the receiving end.

And let's be honest about this, balancing CVs so they ALWAYS get one strike through is bovine excrement. And then introducing a nations CV that only consists of first strikes is bovine excrement². Also the casual spotting provided is the game changer.

 

Or submarines, don't get me started, they're balanced around the worst facerollers because only these players actually play subs. Lo and behold, laser guided torps for those who usually lick their touch screen to aim with the fun option to pop up, shotgun someone and submerge.

 

But maybe it it I who is wrong, I'm seriously interested in these skills you speak of - but you post this bold claim from a secondary (?) account where you have hit your personal skill barrier at tier 8 already?! Please back "play against CV" up in some way or I have to dismiss your statement as complete nonsense.

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, ReDiR20 said:

Because low skill players here can't bother to learn how to play against CV? Same with subs

 

Which is why it is pretty much universally acknowledged amongst the best CV and sub players that those classes are overpowered and broken?

[NewHorizons_1]

54 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

Impero had pretty interesting proposal of conversion into V-1 missle carrier. There is book by Davide F.Jabes and Steffano Sappino "Aircraft Carrier Impero" about this conversion and Italy carriers projects which were much more numerous that I thought. 

 

Now imagine butthurt if WG makes Impero with guided missles  Brace yourellfs fecal typhoon is coming! 

And then WG sells the premium T11 super-ship to "solve" the CV problem.

Name your price.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan