French aircraft carrier. What thread can be?

[TheKaramelka]

Hello, i'm newbie here, i went from RU servers, and i from Ukraine. Today i wanna try to make an assumption on French aircraft carriers. So what we got:

 

General Features

• Aircraft carrier have a good deck protection;
• All aircraft have engine boost in 60 kts (Instead of 40 kts and 35 kts for others nations);
• Aircraft not very durable, like the Japan aircraft;

Attack aicraft

• Rockets have a small damage and machine gun action times. But they HE ammunition like a germany HE ammo have more penetration

Torpedo bombers

• They have incredible high damage (more then Japan torpedoes). But they got big arming distance (more then 1 km on 10 lvl).

Dive bombers

• Dive bombers have 2 types of choice bombs.

1. HE bombs have a big damage, penetration and fire chance. But they got small damage from 1 atack.  
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   *grey aicraft carrier  - have small penetration and fire chance.

    

2. The second bombs - AP. They are the opposite of HE bombs. They have not the highest level penetration (differs from the Japanese and Germans by 2-22 mm) and low damage. But they carry 2 bombs
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Representatives:

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French aircraft carrier Commandant Teste, Tier IV

*my author's picture is based on the project

Post-war project of restructuring into an escort aircraft carrier, a large hydro-aircraft carrier. The aircraft carrier could have been intended for training pilots, but the project was abandoned due to the high cost.

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Displacement: 11900 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 13 mm

Armor belt: 30 mm

Overall length: 167 m

Hit points: 32700

Torpedo protection: 4%

Attack Aircraft: Dewoitine D.1ter

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1000

Speed: 122

Max speed: 182

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: 3,5-Inch FFAR

Machine gun action time: 3 sec

Max HE Damage: 1100

Number of rockets on the plane: 4

Fire chance: 7

Armor penetration of HE: 27 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 48 sec

Torpedo bombers: Levasseur PL.7

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1270

Speed: 105

Max speed: 165

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 26 DA

Max Torpedo Damage: 5867

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 50

Torpedo range: 8 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 661 m

Flood chance: 49 %

Aircraft recovery time: 59 sec

Dive bombers: Levasseur PL.2

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 6

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1330

Speed: 100

Max speed: 160

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE 125-kg. G.P.

Max Bomb Damage: 7500

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 36%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 39 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 59 sec

Secondary Armament:

4х1 100-mm/45 Mle 1927

      Reload time: 5 sec

      Max Damage: 1400

      Fire Chance: 6%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 4,0 km

      HE initial velocity: 780 m/s

AA defense:

6х1 37-mm/50 Mle 1925

6х2 13,2-mm Hotchkiss Mle 1929

Maximum speed: 20,5 kts.

Turning circle radius: 740 m

Rudder shift time: 7,8 sec

Surface detectability: 8,7 km

Air detectability: 6,4 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

French aircraft carrier La Rochelle, Tier VI

Project PA4 - fast aircraft carrier, was supposed to work in conjunction with the leaders of the destroyers Mogador and fast battleships like Dunkerque.

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Displacement: 19000 t.

Plating: 13 mm

Deck: 19 mm

Armor belt: 100 mm

Overall length: 222 m

Hit points: 43900

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Dewoitine D.376

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1100

Speed: 140

Max speed: 200

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: 3,5-Inch FFAR

Machine gun action time: 3 sec

Max HE Damage: 1100

Number of rockets on the plane: 4

Fire chance: 7

Armor penetration of HE: 27 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 54 sec

Torpedo bombers: Levasseur PL.107

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1390

Speed: 116

Max speed: 176

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 26 DA Mle 1

Max Torpedo Damage: 6800

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 50

Torpedo range: 10 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 885 m

Flood chance: 54%

Aircraft recovery time: 61 sec

Dive bombers: Loire-NieuportLN.401

Number of aircrafton deck: 12

Aircraft per squadron: 8

Size of attacking flight: 2

Hit points: 1470

Speed: 112

Max speed: 172

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE 200-kg. G.P.

Max Bomb Damage: 8600

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 41%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 43 mm

Alternative bomb type: AP 150-kg G.P. Mle 1930

Max Bomb Damage: 3600

Number of bombs on the plane: 2

Armor penetration of AP bombs: 219 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 60 sec

Secondary Armament:

6х2 100-mm/45 Mle 1930

      Reload time: 4 sec

      Max Damage: 1400

      Fire Chance: 6%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 5,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 780 m/s

AA defense:

6х2 100-mm/45 Mle 1930

6х4 40-mm Bofors Mk.2

20х1 20-mm Oerlikon

Maximum speed: 30,2 kts.

Turning circle radius: 900 m

Rudder shift time: 11,9 sec

Surface detectability: 11,6 km

Air detectability: 9,6 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

French aircraft carrier Joffre, Tier VIII

*my author's picture modernization after the war

Aircraft-carrier of the French Navy planned for construction before the outbreak of World War II, aircraft carriers of the "Joffre" type, created to replace the obsolete aircraft carrier "Béarn".

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Displacement: 22000 t.

Plating: 16 mm

Deck: 70 mm

Armor belt: 105 mm

Overall length: 236 m

Hit points: 53700

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Dewoitine D.790

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1210

Speed: 156

Max speed: 216

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: T10 type 140 90-mm

Machine gun action time: 3 sec

Max HE Damage: 1200

Number of rockets on the plane: 6

Fire chance: 8

Armor penetration of HE: 36 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 56 sec

Torpedo bombers: Latécoère Laté 299

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1530

Speed: 128

Max speed: 188

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 26 DA Mle 2

Max Torpedo Damage: 9867

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 50

Torpedo range: 12 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 1180 m

Flood chance: 82%

Aircraft recovery time: 66 sec

Dive bombers: Bréguet Br.810

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1620

Speed: 124

Max speed: 184

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE 500-kg. No.2 G.P.

Max Bomb Damage: 9800

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 51%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 54 mm

Alternative bomb type: AP 200-kg. G.P

Max Bomb Damage: 4100

Number of bombs on the plane: 2

Armor penetration of AP bombs: 274 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 64 sec

Secondary Armament:

4х2 100-mm/55 Mle 1945

      Reload time: 3 sec

      Max Damage: 1400

      Fire Chance: 5%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 855 m/s

AA defense:

4х2 100-mm/55 Mle 1945

6х2 57-mm/60 Mle 1951

12x2 20-mm Mk.10

Maximum speed: 34 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1070 m

Rudder shift time: 12,2 sec

Surface detectability: 12,2 km

Air detectability: 9,7 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

French aircraft carrier Paris, Tier X

*my author's picture thanks to the mentions

Post-war project to convert the battleship Jean Bart into a heavy aircraft carrier.

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Displacement: 33900 t.

Plating: 19 mm

Deck: 105 mm

Armor belt: 152 mm

Overall length: 247,8 m

Hit points: 66100

Torpedo protection: 22%

Attack Aircraft: S.O.8000 Narval 

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1330

Speed: 174

Max speed: 234

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: T10 type 140 120-mm

Machine gun action time: 3 sec

Max HE Damage: 1500

Number of rockets on the plane: 8

Fire chance: 10

Armor penetration of HE: 41 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 52 sec

Torpedo bombers: Nord 1500 Norclair

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1690

Speed: 142

Max speed: 202

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 26 DA Mle 3

Max Torpedo Damage: 11733

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 50

Torpedo range: 12 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 1476 m

Flood chance: 91%

Aircraft recovery time: 69 sec

Dive bombers: Breguet Br.965 Épaulard

Number of aircrafton deck: 18

Aircraft per squadron: 12

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1780

Speed: 137

Max speed: 197

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE 500-kg. No.1 G.P.

Max Bomb Damage: 11000

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Fire Chance: 63%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 68 mm

Alternative bomb type: AP 500-kg G.P. Mle 1930

Max Bomb Damage: 6300

Number of bombs on the plane: 2

Armor penetration of AP bombs: 329 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 71 sec

Secondary Armament:

12x2 100-мм/55 Mle 1950

      Reload time: 1,5 sec

      Max Damage: 1400

      Fire Chance: 5%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 7,3 km

      HE initial velocity: 780 m/s

AA defense:

12x2 100-мм/55 Mle 1950

12х2 57-mm/60 Mle 1951

Maximum speed: 34 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1050 m

Rudder shift time: 16 sec

Surface detectability: 14,2 km

Air detectability: 11,3 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

 

Premiums:

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French aircraft carrier Clemenceau, Tier VIII

Project of a light aircraft carrier of the French Navy. Developed in the late 1940s, the preliminary design was prepared by August 1947. The first ship of the project was planned to be laid down at the shipyard of the naval arsenal in Brest. It was to be called "Clemenceau". The design was based on the project of the Joffre aircraft carrier, which was unfinished due to the outbreak of World War II, but was significantly improved. In 1950, the project was closed at the stage of prototype development. 

In the game, an aircraft carrier has fast, survivable air groups that have the usual number in an air group. However, no more than 1 attack flight is located on the deck.

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Displacement: 20000 t.

Plating: 16 mm

Deck: 16 mm

Armor belt: 19 mm

Overall length: 230 m

Hit points: 51500

Torpedo protection: 12%

Attack Aircraft: Dewoitine SE.580

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 2370

Speed: 188

Max speed: 223

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: HVAR 127 mm

Machine gun action time: 3,4 sec

Max HE Damage: 2000

Number of rockets on the plane: 8

Fire chance: 7

Armor penetration of HE: 33 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 81 sec

Torpedo bombers: SNCAC NC.1070

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 2805

Speed: 165

Max speed: 200

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: 26 DA

Max Torpedo Damage: 5867

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 50

Torpedo range: 8 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 661 m

Flood chance: 49%

Aircraft recovery time: 92 sec

Dive bombers: SNCAC NC.1070

Number of aircrafton deck: 9

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 2760

Speed: 157

Max speed: 192

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: AP 500-kg G.P. Mle 1930

Max Bomb Damage: 6300

Number of bombs on the plane: 1

Armor penetration of AP bombs: 329 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 79 sec

Secondary Armament:

8х2 100-mm/55 Mle 1945

      Reload time: 3 sec

      Max Damage: 1400

      Fire Chance: 5%

      Armor penetration: 17 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 855 m/s

AA defense:

8х2 100-mm/55 Mle 1945

8х2 57-mm/60 Mle 1951

Maximum speed: 32 kts.

Turning circle radius: 920 m

Rudder shift time: 12,3 sec

Surface detectability: 12 km

Air detectability: 10 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

French aircraft carrier Panleve, Tier VIII

The second aircraft carrier of Joffre type. Atack aircraft similar to Joffre, but rockets are weaker, horizontal bombers and torpedo bombers is 7 lvl, they have more than other aircraft in the flight. Torpedo bomers have weak torpedo like a German. Horizontal bombers similar to British aircraft - he got many bombs with low damage and penetration.

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Displacement: 22000 t.

Plating: 16 mm

Deck: 70 mm

Armor belt: 105 mm

Overall length: 236 m

Hit points: 53700

Torpedo protection: 16%

Attack Aircraft: Dewoitine D.790

Number of aircrafton deck: 14

Aircraft per squadron: 9

Size of attacking flight: 3

Hit points: 1210

Speed: 156

Max speed: 216

Engine boost time: 10

Engine boost reload time: 20

Rockets type: 3,5-Inch FFAR

Machine gun action time: 3 sec

Max HE Damage: 1100

Number of rockets on the plane: 10

Fire chance: 7

Armor penetration of HE: 27 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 56 sec

Torpedo bombers: S.N.C.A.O. CAO-600

Number of aircrafton deck: 30 

Aircraft per squadron: 15

Size of attacking flight: 5

Hit points: 1460

Speed: 122

Max speed: 182

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Torpedo type: F5W

Max Torpedo Damage: 3600

Number of torpedoes on the aircraft: 1

Torpedo speed: 58

Torpedo range: 3 km

Arming range of torpedoes: 387 m

Flood chance: 31%

Aircraft recovery time: 52 sec

Dive bombers: Dewoitine D.750

Number of aircrafton deck: 30

Aircraft per squadron: 15

Size of attacking flight: 5

Hit points: 1540

Speed: 118

Max speed: 178

Engine boost time: 20

Engine boost reload time: 40

Bomb type: HE 100-kg. G.P. 

Max Bomb Damage: 6100

Number of bombs on the plane: 4

Fire Chance: 29%

Armor penetration of HE bombs: 31 mm

Aircraft recovery time: 59 sec

Secondary Armament:

6х2 130-мм/45 Mle 1932

      Reload time: 5 sec

      Max Damage: 1900

      Fire Chance: 9%

      Armor penetration: 22 mm

      Firing range: 6,6 km

      HE initial velocity: 840 m/s

AA defense:

6х2 130-мм/45 Mle 1932

8x2 37-мм/70 Mle 1935

12x2 25-мм/60 Mle 1939

Maximum speed: 32 kts.

Turning circle radius: 1070 m

Rudder shift time: 12,2 sec

Surface detectability: 11,7 km

Air detectability: 8,9 km

Available consumables:

Slot 1 - Damage Control Party

Slot 2 - Fighter

 

Aircraft on levels:

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This is my personal proposal and not the fact that ships will ever appear in the game or my concept will be taken into attention!

Thank you for your attention!

[Nov_A]

tbh fam ngl

 

It is usually a common theme that the premiums dont fit the tech tree line or have some other special quirk. This is not only the case with carriers implemented before their respective tech tree line was established, but also after. As a reference point I would take the Bearn. I am also pretty sure that the french tech tree carriers will not recieve any ship related consumable, as this would not only be the first time, but so far has been a point WG tried to go around in any kind of way.

 

In my humble aerial combat connoisseur opinion, I think the french carriers will revolve around actually effective fighters, but lack in strike effectiveness and general capability/power of the carrier, same as the tone of Bearn. Armaments will differ and I assume it will not be rockets as main anti-DD armament - again, as this is also one of the hot topics, WG likes to steer around.

 

Probably torps, HE skip bombs and AP dive bombs, with long wind-ups, patterns, etc. but high possible damage output. Focus is less on damage upkeep than team support.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

They will terrorize the dds thats for sure. They can hunt capital ships too. If they make them like Bearn. I usually hunt dds then capital ships with my bearn

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, ARE_YOU_HUMAN said:

They will terrorize the dds thats for sure. They can hunt capital ships too. If they make them like Bearn. I usually hunt dds then capital ships with my bearn

I like Bearn as well - her skip bombers seem to have a considerably lower bounce height than the Soviet ones, which makes them very nasty against DDs and CLs. 

 

2 hours ago, Nov_A said:

In my humble aerial combat connoisseur opinion, I think the french carriers will revolve around actually effective fighters, but lack in strike effectiveness and general capability/power of the carrier, same as the tone of Bearn. Armaments will differ and I assume it will not be rockets as main anti-DD armament - again, as this is also one of the hot topics, WG likes to steer around.

I would like a French CV line to have more of a flavour of French aviation. The Bearn is a nice ship, but her planes are Vindicators. I want some of these; Latcoere 298s, LN401s (French gullwings, like the Stuka) Dewoitines and MS406s - fast fighters/dive bombers, but trundly Swordfish / Albacore torp planes. Joffre (the successor to Bearn) was supposed to have twin-engined heavy torp bombers, too  - I'm *very* up for those.

 

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/05/28/french-naval-aviation-1940-i/

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/05/28/french-naval-aviation-1940-ii/

[TheKaramelka]

2 hours ago, Nov_A said:

 fam ngl

sry but i dont understend what this mean ^^"

[TheKaramelka]

38 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I would like a French CV line to have more of a flavour of French aviation. The Bearn is a nice ship, but her planes are Vindicators. I want some of these; Latcoere 298s, LN401s (French gullwings, like the Stuka) Dewoitines and MS406s - fast fighters/dive bombers, but trundly Swordfish / Albacore torp planes. Joffre (the successor to Bearn) was supposed to have twin-engined heavy torp bombers, too  - I'm *very* up for those.

  

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/05/28/french-naval-aviation-1940-i/

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/05/28/french-naval-aviation-1940-ii/

i tried to search for maximum carrier based aircraft

[invicta2012]

1 minute ago, TheKaramelka said:

i tried to search for maximum carrier based aircraft

I like your concept. Few torpedoes, but very high damage, from planes with very high endurance. Almost like a Carrier-borne version of DWTs. 

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

13 hours ago, TheKaramelka said:

sry but i dont understend what this mean ^^"

 

fam, not gonna lie