ARP Content Request: Petition Of Request (with Poll)

[AGT_ZURU]

OK, so this is a Petition that I'm going to check periodically, so that we can get the ARP Ships back, as a new Collaboration.

I will send the Results to both WarGamingNet and to the Licence Holders of the ARP Content.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Your poll is very bad, because there is no option for just saying no to that weeb .

 

Seriously, they should get rid of all that crap, right along with the warhammer 40k stuff, and just add special skins for the so inclined. This because of the ship names, because remembering what ship has what capabilities is hard enough already. Thankfully the display of the skins can already be turned off.

No, I do not care about 1mm armor here or three AA guns turned the other way there.

 

 

[Pururut]

I am not really into ARP but something in the poll got my attention. ARP Yamato was around 700 liras back when it was released. It is downright hilarious to propose let alone think about restricting access to certain game modes for someone willing to pay that much. 

[AGT_ZURU]

5 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Your poll is very bad, because there is no option for just saying no to that weeb .

 

Seriously, they should get rid of all that crap, right along with the warhammer 40k stuff, and just add special skins for the so inclined. This because of the ship names, because remembering what ship has what capabilities is hard enough already. Thankfully the display of the skins can already be turned off.

No, I do not care about 1mm armor here or three AA guns turned the other way there.

 

 

 

To add clarification as to why they can't just 'Add a Skin' in the cases of the ARP and WH40K Content, it's because they have slightly different Collision Data.

Due to the difference in the Collision Data, you'd have situations where you'd shoot at the Ship in question, and something you thought was a Hit, would actually be a complete miss, thus, no Ribbons.

The Collision Data makes the Ships just slightly bigger in some sections (Masts and other extras that you would get either Over-Pens or Ricochets anyway).

 

An Option to just say 'NO' would mean the complete Removal of these Ships, which would actually annoy a LOT of Players who purchased these things.

A Skin is just a Skin, it's worth very little, you can just make a MOD to Re-Skin your Ship.

A completely new incarnation of the Ship however, is exactly that, a Different Ship, and thus, it holds a Higher Value, and they can charge more for it.

It would cost them more to Remove the Ships entirely from the Game, and Convert them into Skins, than it would to just make a new Game from scratch.

 

The Legal Problem:

IF WarGamingNet decided to remove the Ships (ARP, WH40K, HSF, AL, and so on), they would have Lawyers crawling out of the woodwork in Seconds after just the Announcement alone, let alone actually doing it.

They would lose so much Money removing them from the Game, that they would likely do something else just as dumb, and worse than adding them in the first place.

Some people wouldn't accept the change at all, and would leave the Game entirely, or just complain and complain and complain, and keep complaining until the change was reverted.

 

It comes down to how much money they can make out of it.

A Skin is worth £5 GBP at most (and most won't even buy them), because you can just get a MOD to do the same thing (I myself have an ARP Skin MOD for the Atago, and yes every Atago in the Game looks like an ARP Atago, unless Players are using the AL Atago Skin which I now use on my Atago).

Just look at the 'Black' Ships, all of them are exact Clones of their Original counterparts, and are just the same ships in Black.

Sure, a Player who only intends to have one never-changing configuration, could just use a MOD to make the Original Versions look Indistinguishably Identical to the Black Versions.

However, there are Advantages to having the Same Ship Cloned, and thus people are more than happy to effectively buy the Same Ship AGAIN, just so they can have two Configurations of it.

 

OK, so why do Players want two Different Configurations anyway?

In some cases, this can be Concealment Configurations, as with just about every 'Black' Ship in the Game.

Some Players want to Hide there way through the Game, and will focus on a Concealment Build, mainly for PvP.

While other players will go with the Brute-Force Approach, and build the Configuration accordingly.

Just taking the Russian Tier VIII "Chkalov" and it's soon to be released "Chkalov Black" as an Example.

I use the "Forward Operating Base" Configuration on my Normal Version.

This means that I have Upgrades relating to my Secondary Armaments, instead of on my Aircraft, my Commander using CQC Upgrades.

I intend to build the Black Version to be a Stealth Carrier, with Reductions in Concealment Radius, and using the 'Hidden Menace' Perk.

 

 

 

So, Summary:

They will never Remove the Ships entirely, because it would Devalue them, and they'd lose Money doing it.

They don't make much money from Skins because you can get MOD's that can apply Skins instead, and they have to add things to the Skin Bundles to even make them worth Buying.

In the case of Azur Lane, they made Money on the Commanders, and the Economic Bonuses, and the AL Ships, but nobody bought the Skins just for the Skins as-is.

 

ARP Skin for the Yamato = No value, as a MOD already exists for this Item, though the Space Battleship Skin is more popular

ARP Yamato as its own Ship = around £80~ GBP give or take

[J0tt]

I would rather be interested in having those (permanent) camos available for regular ships.

[JohnMac79]

[AGT_ZURU]

5 hours ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I know that WG can't remove the weeb they already added. But I STILL don't want any more weeb . So I am still missing the option to say JUST NO.

 

Edit:

 

 

No, you are not missing the Option to say 'NO' because this Poll is not for you clearly.

So, I know how much people 'DO NOT' like these Purchasable Ships, but the whole point was that it wouldn't just get Bombed by all the Haters.

We get it, you don't like it, just move on, this Poll isn't for you.

 

Hating for the sake of it, is just Off-Topic, since you're trying to derail the Thread.

Just because YOU don't like Anime, doesn't mean that other people don't like Anime.

So, you can knock it off with the Hatred and move on.

 

4 hours ago, J0tt said:

I would rather be interested in having those (permanent) camos available for regular ships.

 

As far as Permanent Paint Jobs, this would be more Effort than it was worth.

Just look at how many people ditched out of buying the Paints for the European Ships.

There were a few who purchased them, but look at how many just decided to just boycott the Purchase, because it was just a Vanity Item that provided absolutely no benefit, that they could just get a MOD for later if they really wanted.

The issue here is that Permanent Paint Jobs are just Buckets of Paint, and nothing else, thus, they hold absolutely NO Value.

In order to use Paint Jobs, that players would have to Buy in order to use, they would have to Remove MOD Support entirely, thus losing at least 50% of their Player Base in a Blink of an Eye.

 

4 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

 

Yes, this Comment is valid, but this still defeats the point of the Poll.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

I still think ARP and anime and all this crossover stuff is ok, as long as this special interest doesn't infringe on the game for the rest of us. I actually like anime, I just don't want it in the game if I have to look at it or it has an effect that goes beyond a skin which I can toggle off.

 

Yes, the poll is not for me, I can see that, but it's still badly designed and certainly the information that other players don't want it either might be relevant, especially if you want to forward it to someone.

 

 

Also, concerning to skins holding no value. Pro tip of the day: NOTHING here holds a value.

Edit: I also dislike the cetacean angle here. As if that gives you any right to annoy others. It's like asking a giant middle finger model - but you only want it if it's not a skin, but you'd be prepared to pay 80 DOLLARS for it. I understand that you don't want to hear from anyone to get lost in your poll. So you hear it from me, here.

[AGT_ZURU]

17 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

I still think ARP and anime and all this crossover stuff is ok, as long as this special interest doesn't infringe on the game for the rest of us. I actually like anime, I just don't want it in the game if I have to look at it or it has an effect that goes beyond a skin which I can toggle off.

 

Yes, the poll is not for me, I can see that, but it's still badly designed and certainly the information that other players don't want it either might be relevant, especially if you want to forward it to someone.

 

 

Also, concerning to skins holding no value. Pro tip of the day: NOTHING here holds a value.

 

You do know that there is a Button in the Bottom Right Corner where you can turn the Skins off, so that you just see a Bog Standard Ship, instead of it's ARP Skinned Counterpart.

Just look for the Cog Icon above your Ships Selection Belt.

 

On the note of your "Nothing holds value" I would say that this could be argued for literally EVERYTHING in life.

However, if you was to apply this in the world of today, there would suddenly be no such thing as an Economy, and life as we know it today, would just end.

You could then also argue and justify steeling as in a world where there is no economy, there would be no basis of argument if somebody just walked off with something that wasn't theirs.

While, I'm all for the idea that the Global Economy is a load thereof, it's not about to change any time soon.

 

Additional Side-Note, the 'Nothing has Value' argument adapted to 'Nothing in the Digital World has Value' is something that has been said by many.

The issue there then becomes, you ultimately justify Hacking with that statement, along with Piracy, and Copyright Infringement, among a lot of other things.

[Yedwy]

On 9/21/2022 at 2:58 AM, AGT_ZURU said:

OK, so this is a Petition that I'm going to check periodically, so that we can get the ARP Ships back, as a new Collaboration.

I will send the Results to both WarGamingNet and to the Licence Holders of the ARP Content.

Dude u realise collabs are a billatetal thing right? Anyway I dont get all the restrictions you put in there, why would having both Yamato and ARP Yamato snd play them where u want be an issue?

[Purnylla]

Your poll is flawed since it doesn't include several options. For example, I'm totally fine with them selling the ARP Yamato to anyone and allow them to use it anywhere. I know it's an unpopular opinion on these forums, but if someone totally new is willing to invest 100+ euros in a game I enjoy, I consider that a win to me. I rather play with/against a friendly newbie than with/against some of the toxic elitists here in this community. 

 

Your poll only includes options that you personally would find acceptible. It doesn't seem to include opinions you don't agree with.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

That's... just wrong. If you're hungry, food certainly holds a value. Try it if you don't believe me. And suddenly one realizes that the artificial 'economy' in the game is based on arbitrary prices - it would literally cost WG nothing to give all the players all the ships and a billion dubloons on top, it's just a few toggles. The trick is to make the users believe it has a value, obviously it worked with you, just like art. But alas, as you can't even sell your commodity - that might be telling if you think about it, it stopped having a value the second you buy it. Consumable art. Like paying to see a movie with the difference that anyone can look at that movie for free. Paying for winrar come to mind, but that stuff actually does something.

 

Yes, of course I switched that non historic crap off, long ago.

Edit: As long as this crap can be switched off and I don't have to remember new ship names, I'm entirely fine with you throwing your money down the drain - I'm happy even, if you pay for the game and the support.

[Yedwy]

6 hours ago, JohnMac79 said:

3 rather big dolphins? 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

3 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

3 rather big dolphins? 

Asking for a grindarap. Begging, even.

[Purnylla]

6 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

it would literally cost WG nothing to give all the players all the ships and a billion dubloons on top, it's just a few toggles.

However, it does cost WG quite a bit to keep the game servers running and provide new content frequently. That money needs to be earned somehow. And considering this game can be downloaded and played for free, they need another kind of business model to cover these expenses. And yes, that does involve trying to sell us boosts to get creds/XP faster (and make us think that tier X ships are better than tier I ships (which they aren't)) and sell cosmetic stuff for those people who are willing to spend money on that. That's pretty much how most free-to-play games work. 

 

Oh, and besides, it actually did cost WG some money to develop the art of ARP Yamato and sign a deal with ARP. 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Just now, Purnylla said:

However, it does cost WG quite a bit to keep the game servers running and provide new content frequently.

That is not value.

Yes, I understand the monetization of the game, thank you.

[Panocek]

ARP Yamato already was sold for cash (doubloons?) and quite a lot of them. It would be bold assumption to expect Iona 401 to be obtainable in any other way than insert coin... and a lot of them.

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

Also no one going to comment on the submersible scum that is also sky cancer? Who in seven hells would want that kind of bovine excrement in the game?

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Also no one going to comment on the submersible scum that is also sky cancer? Who in seven hells would want that kind of bovine excrement in the game?

Wargaming. As peak spreadshiet approved fun and engaging, combining two finest game designs with pinch of weeb, historical accuracy and 100€ price tag

[Purnylla]

2 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

That is not value.

Yes, I understand the monetization of the game, thank you.

Value differs per person. If I enjoy sailing aroud with a colourful artful version of a Yamato with all kinds of silly shiny objects, then that thing has value to me. 

 

Value ≠ Price, though. There's plenty of things WG tried to sell that I might be interested in (I think they have value), but were simply too expensive (the value I assigned to them was considerably lower than the price WG asking for it).

 

I didn't buy ARP Yamato. That thing is way overpriced IMO. However, other people considered ARP Yamato to be a good deal, apparently assigning more value to it than I do. 

[Purnylla]

4 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Also no one going to comment on the submersible scum that is also sky cancer? Who in seven hells would want that kind of bovine excrement in the game?

I do. Sounds like an interesting concept, quite different than the usual and an interesting addition to my collection of ships. However, I don't think I'd be willing to pay the price WG is gonna set for that thing. 

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, Purnylla said:

Value differs per person. If I enjoy sailing aroud with a colourful artful version of a Yamato with all kinds of silly shiny objects, then that thing has value to me. 

 

Value ≠ Price, though. There's plenty of things WG tried to sell that I might be interested in (I think they have value), but were simply too expensive (the value I assigned to them was considerably lower than the price WG asking for it).

 

I didn't buy ARP Yamato. That thing is way overpriced IMO. However, other people considered ARP Yamato to be a good deal, apparently assigning more value to it than I do. 

Value of ARP Yamato skyrocketed since Commander REEEwork and introduction of supershits, as Yamamoto can be transferred to whatwasit IJN supershit BB, while he still can man the Yamato class at tier 10. And 9 if someone have her.

[Purnylla]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Value of ARP Yamato skyrocketed since Commander REEEwork and introduction of supershits, as Yamamoto can be transferred to whatwasit IJN supershit BB, while he still can man the Yamato class at tier 10. And 9 if someone have her.

Sounds like WG should sell her again if they want to make some good money without having to create any new artwork. 

[Panocek]

Just now, Purnylla said:

Sounds like WG should sell her again if they want to make some good money without having to create any new artwork. 

With supershits and legendary captains in general, getting 1:1 clone of a good tier 10 ship (not sidegrade like Salem) would be actually preferable. Unless someone sits on too much captain exp to move 21pointers back and forth between tech tree ships.

[Yedwy]

15 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Also no one going to comment on the submersible scum that is also sky cancer? Who in seven hells would want that kind of bovine excrement in the game?

Honestly I dont care anymore, WG clearly stated (finally) what their view on the subs and cvs is and expecting anything but them monetizing and remonetizing every last pixel as well as concept to the max and beyond is laughable, esp if its a real project of some sort or another…

 

I will either find life with all that bearable or I will move on to another game