Your Guide to Reworked Operations

[SENAdmiral]

On 9/21/2022 at 1:45 PM, electro75 said:

in cherry blossom I destroyed both airfields with the assisted target from budyony tier6..I was standing behind the island and shooting at the airfield without being seen..while Massachusetts and Brandenburg were massacred by akizuki and mogami..I see the low level of  ship as an advantage

Lol, try Hermes then, and see how well a low tier ship will deal with zillions of planes ! I do not know why, but each time I try that Op I can be sure each and every single plane hunt me first, in my T6 light cruisers, dropping torps, bombs, rockets from all directions, and they ignore the T8 bbs until they pop me out ....

[electro75]

ai dreptate, la inceput te furișeai, cumva scapai..dar acum dușmanii atacă mai întâi tot ce are mai puțini HP adică crucișătoare de nivel 6-7..plus sute de avioane la nivelul 10..care fac niște pagube uriașe alese cu bombe..

[SENAdmiral]

1 minute ago, electro75 said:

you're right, in the beginning you used to sneak around, somehow escape..but now the enemies attack first everything that has less hp..ie level 6-7 cruisers..plus hundreds of planes at level 10..which do some huge damage  elected with bombs..

You simply cannot hide there, now, nor stop ( easily to get torps...) and if you try to maneuver, you are also doomed - you only can choose between giving broadside to T8/9 bbs /cruisers  OR to eat a full hand of T10 air torps... 

Either way, you get smashed fast...

[electro75]

I think yudaki dd level 7 would be good there in hermes

[MotomanDK]

On 10/3/2022 at 3:36 PM, electro75 said:

I think yudaki dd level 7 would be good there in hermes

Yes - but you don't know if you get Hermes in random operations - if you make a division, yes ....... That is the basic problem with the 'modern' operations!!!

[SENAdmiral]

Funny, peoples arguing here "that ship is gud for that Op" when, in practice, except for the case you are with a bunch of clan mates, you cannot form a division and you just throw the dice...

Then your "gud for Hermes" become "crap for this" and - no wonder here - you become one of those who "help" loosing  because your ship cannot fight a T10.... or else. 

 

With this dumb "lottery" system on the Ops. I found-out one must choose a handful of ships only ( in general, cruisers) - the kind of ship like a swiss army knife,  good at all, but excelling at none..

[MotomanDK]

1 minute ago, SENAdmiral said:

Funny, peoples arguing here "that ship is gud for that Op" when, in practice, except for the case you are with a bunch of clan mates, you cannot form a division and you just throw the dice...

Then your "gud for Hermes" become "crap for this" and - no wonder here - you become one of those who "help" loosing  because your ship cannot fight a T10.... or else. 

 

With this dumb "lottery" system on the Ops. I found-out one must choose a handful of ships only ( in general, cruisers) - the kind of ship like a swiss army knife,  good at all, but excelling at none..

I used to play a lot of operations (up until 11.7) - i played a few in 11.8 and nothing since. This is a shame.

 

[SENAdmiral]

I belong to a small clan, old dudes like me, but we rarely meet online, ( work, family, inflation, etc :p ) so for me "make a division" is out of question, as a rule. When we have the Halloween event, and the Ops were stopped for players like me ( no division opportunity) I tried, like suggested here by few, to enter chat channel and join a division like that.

 

Well, I tried that a dozen of times, during a weekend - all I managed was to lose time, 1-2h each time, without ever getting the chance to enter a division !

Only 2-3 peoples at a time, after 1/2 h they get bored and leave,  others come, get bored and leave, and so on, never getting enough peoples... I give-up, obvious the system is not worth.

 

So, when the "normal" Ops returned, I started again, full steam in.... All good until weekend, when a "stronk wave" of sea warriors rush in and I started to get 9 of 10 losses for each batch of 10 Ops... Peoples dying in first 2-3 min, and usually you see _ sometimes - 1-or 2 decent players who struggle to finish the Op hardly outnumbered/outgunned... Sometimes is possible, but most times, the bots have a laugh at you, and you get slaughter no matter what...

 

For ex, in Aegis now, with T9 cruiser bots, and Mogamy with laser acc. and thermobaric shells, you cannot simply "rush in" like was before .... now you must calculate your distance with care, be aware of the danger from the second wave, since almost always you cannot kill first wave before next one rush in, and, as a funny/sad fact, ALMOST NEVER, since rework, I managed to win this Op with 5 stars, ( with a handful of exceptions, when the team was really great) ...

 

When I see plp getting in this Op with a cv or a bunch of T6 light cruisers, I know it will be a big struggle or a loss... the cv simply do not have the DPS high enough to make a difference, and T6 light cruisers get slapped half HP from just one salvo from an Ibuki or Myoko... or simply deleted by a Nagato able to cit you 4 of 6 times from 15-16km...

 

So yeah, "random" means you cannot simply go there with a ship unable to perform well on ANY circumstance, because most of the cases, what you get, after you click start, is not what you hope...

 

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as a perfect example, look at this image:  Narai ! - simple, easy Op, right ? Not if you get there with such players:

The dude on Gneiss ,  raced all the way in that corner only to sink the cv - he got stuck there, and obvious, he did not get the kill, the cv bot leaves the area.

This decision was taken when only me, and a bb. in a cruiser, were in the bay, so there we are, half team dead in the first 5 min,  2 of us on center vs 8 bots, he alone at 20km, chasing SECONDARY objectives, without bothering about the purpose of this Op.

Obvious we lost... But he was last standing, absolutely useless.... and without a clue about why we lost...

 

 

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[user7890]

I agree with SENAdmiral the mess that has been made of operations is awful. T6 ships are now a waste of time.

I have given up using T6 ships in operations. Wins are rare these days.

 

Naraii is a classic example (was T7 ships). Get the right balance between Primary and Secondary, and a win was often possible.

Now it is a case of hoping the fleet is ultra sensible on primary objectives...... Don't get me started on Raptor Rescue...

 

Operations need rethink along ship tiers, but so far no feedback from WOW.

[SENAdmiral]

My last game, 5 min ago,  also NARAI,  was with 2 T6 - a Fuso and the a dd, the german T61; Fuso charged the "Little Trouble", a T99 bb, obvious exposing a full broadside, and, cherry on top, using HE only; Took only 2 salvos from Missu to delete him...

The dd was clipped right on the start by the cruisers, lost half HP and the dude decided running at A1 and camp  there was the best option .... That is, in first 2-3 min we were reduced by 2 players, then sure enough, 3 ( all...) cruisers raced for cargo ships, so the bots make a target practice on the convoy, popping a ship each 30 seconds... We barely won, with ONE star, last cruiser and last ship alive at 2%... just luck...

I do not blame the devs for this mess, for me is crystal clear the players base who are unable to adapt/understand basic rules...

I see two options here:

a) - devs scale back a bit the bots aiming and thermobaric shells

b) - make the rewards 2x bigger, at least, since now a 5 stars win is rarer than a 20 yo virgin...

 

 

[MotomanDK]

I simply don't understand why WG is doing this to the game ..... insane CV attacks from 2 tier higher CV's, invisible subs sneaking up on you so you have NO chance dodging the homing torps, random operations where we nearly always end up in the wrong ship, fighting a Yamato with a tier 6 CA and the enemy with impossible precision and shells from hell .... DO YOU WANT US TO STOP PLAYING!?!?!?!?

[Estato]

I like operations, i am playing only operations. we need more scenarios and voiceovers in some scenarios need to be fixed.

[user7890]

A typical AEGIS operation disaster is shown attached. The team was not that bad. Just overwhelmed.

 

Needless to say, the next few salvos from who knows how many ships finished me off.

[SENAdmiral]

42 minutes ago, user7890 said:

A typical AEGIS operation disaster is shown attached. The team was not that bad. Just overwhelmed.

 

Needless to say, the next few salvos from who knows how many ships finished me off.

This Op is highly dependable on the player tier ships... If you get a team with half T6, well, 90% chances will be a loss. T8 will be a 50/50%... Decent t7 or T8 players will do ok, tough. But do not expect T6 light cruisers to resist T9 HE thermobaric shells more than 2.-3 salvo, and we all know how bots love to focus the same target ( unlike human players.... sadly) .

But I saw decent players, managing to keep distance and making good use of islands / torps / cross fire - such teams can still have fun and achieve decent even good results (3-5 stars).

So, I think this Op is relatively well-balanced,  IF the human team care to bring the proper "tools".

 

One of the changes the devs implemented, making our live easier, is the bots behavior - if before the patch, the bots will target any cargo ship near exit zone, even if there were 2-3 players ships ( the bots alternate fire between player ship and cargo ship) - now, after patch, the bots tend to let alive the cargo ships IF any human ship is still present.

I manage to "snatch the win from defeat claws" ,  as the last survivor, only by hiding and waiting for the cargo ships to exit... something impossible before, since the bots will delete any cargo ship in fire range, if no human ship was in range. 

I really appreciate this change, so yeah, the devs did a good thing here. The challenge is higher, indeed - but doable, in the right conditions. Also, funny enough, if before patch a decent cv player or even a potato, like me, could farm good or great on this Op, now, almost all cvs are rendered next to useless - in over 60 Ops I never saw a single cv doing well on this Op... they simply have a too lower dmg / minute to make a difference, compared with t8 bbs/cruisers

[user7890]

" If you get a team with half T6, well, 90% chances will be a loss. " -  before the changes, this operation was played with 100% Tier 6 ships.

My win rate was about 95% ! You needed a terrible or inexperienced team to lose. Even with a few newish players, the rest of the team could pull out some sort of win.

 

Now in this operation about 20% are 1 or 2 star wins I would guess, the rest unmitigated disasters with 10 minutes.

 

I think WOW need to look at this operation, the huge Japanese Battleships take forever to destroy and all the other ships have 10 to 20 thousand more hit points than before.

[SENAdmiral]

1 minute ago, user7890 said:

" If you get a team with half T6, well, 90% chances will be a loss. " -  before the changes, this operation was played with 100% Tier 6 ships.

My win rate was about 95% ! You needed a terrible or inexperienced team to lose. Even with a few newish players, the rest of the team could pull out some sort of win.

 

Now in this operation about 20% are 1 or 2 start wins I would guess, the rest unmitigated disasters with 10 minutes.

 

I think WOW need to look at this operation, the huge Japanese Battleships take forever to destroy and all the other ships have 10 to 20 thousand more hit points than before.

Lol, you forgot to add the fact now you fight T9 Ibuki, man, and even an Yamato will show-up occasionally ! 

Your T6 will just throw popcorn at such ships, but that will not stop peoples to throw in Aoba.s and die in first 5 min, after being "complimented" by 2 salvos from an Ibuki !

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, SENAdmiral said:

and even an Yamato will show-up occasionally ! 

Your T6 will just throw popcorn at such ships

Actually Nurnburg AP into the upper belt of a broadside Yamato will take a chunk out of it.

Little chunks in comparison, but as long as it's firing at someone else, a little Nurnburg can rack up quite a damage score that way.

[SENAdmiral]

5 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Actually Nurnburg AP into the upper belt of a broadside Yamamto will take a chunk out of it.

Little chunks in comparison, but as long as it's firing at someone else, a little Nurnburg can rack up quite a damage score that way.

Sure, until she will look at you .... after that, sayonara, just one salvo will delete you. Let's be fair, I saw that ship popping cruisers from 20km !

[MotomanDK]

I haven't played operations for a while primarily due to the random maps, but also due to the 'strength and number' of the enemies.

But i would give it a chance tonight - since i used to love operations - and i was so lucky to get one of my favorite maps - Narai.  I had also chosen the right ship, the Bagration.

And i made 250.000+ damage and several of my team mates also made good scores.

 

But we didn't have a chance - in the last part where the enemy ship comes in from south, the enemy never missed a shot and inflicted unnatural damage to all of us remaining.  I saw an Omaha gun down a Tirpitz, i got the Omaha only because of my heal.

So, what now.  Perhaps i try again sometime - perhaps not, that kind of unbalanced battle isn't funny.