Japanese carriers OP?

[Mandyxx]

I played japanese carrier untilll tier 8. I meet tier 9 and 10 in few battles, played by supertesters. After update i bought tier 9. Is not fully upgraded. It looks to me or those ships are OP? When i jump on a ship, the player has no chance.

 

[Takeda92]

 When i jump on a ship, the player has no chance.

 

Is that player trying to dodge your planes before the torps are in the water?

 

[Mandyxx]

Yes. I played today 2 battles with a not fully upgraded Taiho.

 

And didn`t play in open test, i played in close test, where players have an ideea about game play.

[Hydranyx]

Is that player trying to dodge your planes before the torps are in the water?

 

 

You can't dodge if planes come from all direction...

[Mandyxx]

Again....

Zao was full hp. I attacked him with all  planes.

[Kyono]

I played in close test, where players have an ideea about game play.

 

Sorry, sorry, I'll be with you in a minute once I stop crying with laughter....Nope. Still laughing!

 

"Players have an idea about game play"? Sorry but did you ever play the public tests for World of Tanks? If not then let me explain it to you. Public tests (this is a public closed beta test) are full of idiots. Everyone gets in, they get loco crazy and instantly forget how to play. There are a few players who DO remember how to play but everyone else becomes a complete idiot.

 

 

[Zaods]

been attacked by taihou and hakuryuu multiple times in this patch and i've yet to die to them so i have no problem with them at all

[Takeda92]

 

You can't dodge if planes come from all direction...

 

That's why you keep allies to cover you from different directions. Don't leave your flanks open. I lost all my planes on RJ once because the enemy were so tight. The planes go down quite easily.

I don't know about Taiho, but if you're having amazing game in one tier IX it doesn't mean the whole line is OP.

[Hydranyx]

 

Which way do you turn to  dodge this ?

[Zaods]

 

That's why you keep allies to cover you from different directions. Don't leave your flanks open. I lost all my planes on RJ once because the enemy were so tight. The planes go down quite easily.

I don't know about Taiho, but if you're having amazing game in one tier IX it doesn't mean the whole line is OP.

 

tbh if he played it in the 4.0 test server everybody is doing his own thing in there is a clusterf**k so it wouldn't surprise me that people aren't protecting each other and dodging stuff

 

[Zaods]

 

Which way do you turn to  dodge this ?

 

focus AA fire on the closes tb group on the right side and keep your bow towards the left group once they drop you still have a couple of km to turn towards the group at 10km and of couse keep switching aa fire on groups that haven't dropped yet, you won't dodge all torps but you minimize the damage and the damage you will take considering that's a BB will hardly sink you.

 

and as i said in the test 4.0 server is easy to get good result simply because everybody is doing their own think and don't care about sinking justo to try out some stupid things

[donaldEpott]

 

Which way do you turn to  dodge this ?

 

None you stick you head between your knees and kiss your rear good by. BTW only a Japanese carrier can do that. American CVs cant anymore. We Have a thread on the NA forum at how every way you look at it the game has made the Japanese ships better then their American counterparts. Its a wonder that America beat Japan in WW2 according to War Gaming.

[Devantejah]

 

None you stick you head between your knees and kiss your rear good by. BTW only a Japanese carrier can do that. American CVs cant anymore. We Have a thread on the NA forum at how every way you look at it the game has made the Japanese ships better then their American counterparts. Its a wonder that America beat Japan in WW2 according to War Gaming.

 

I believe you have missed all the whine about WG being anti-japanese then.

 

Because according to them, all IJN ships sucks.

[Grim_Destiny]

Personally i think Taiho is [edited]

 

Hiryu is amazing because it`s  basically a Shokaku that gets matched With lower tiers.

 

Shokaku is a beast- i slaughter Taiho, Lexington and Essex With it all the time.

 

Haven`t played Hakuryu yet, but the stats are amazing- that`s a wicked ship.

 

I wouldn`t Call Japanese CVs OP, but I would Call American Carriers Garbage. I loved the Lexington before its' airgroup got nerfed- now it`s a pointless ship you need to get through to get to the Essex. Essex is amazing. Last week i have been getting consistently way over 100k XP per match.

 

I checked the Midway and that thing has to be a joke.

-Absolute crap concealment

-Worse secondary gun layout than Lexington at tier 8 (very bad considering the crappy concealment)

-Same AA as Lexington, which is bad since it has 20% greater detection range

-Absolute rubbish airgroup composition- by this I mean it`s an utter joke

-Speed of jet fighters? What is this speed you`re talking about. Not sure jet fighters, around 1945, could actually fly operationally at that crappy speed.

 

It`s like Wargaming really doesn`t want you to play the midway.

 

For US carriers you should be playing tier 5 or 9.

 

Japanese CVs are also much more user friendly. Far easier to kill stuff. Just point and click With auto-aim. I don`t even look anymore. I just choose attack pattern and then move to another part of the screen and plan the Next attack.

[Zaods]

 

None you stick you head between your knees and kiss your rear good by. BTW only a Japanese carrier can do that. American CVs cant anymore. We Have a thread on the NA forum at how every way you look at it the game has made the Japanese ships better then their American counterparts. Its a wonder that America beat Japan in WW2 according to War Gaming.

 

lol what ? please high tier us cvs are much better than jap ones, and you can avoid most damage from that attack you just need to try and know how to do it instead of crying that usa should just overpower everything, usa have a lot of ships that can just eat the ijn counterparts

[Devantejah]

 

lol what ? please high tier us cvs are much better than jap ones, and you can avoid most damage from that attack you just need to try and know how to do it instead of crying that usa should just overpower everything

 

But USA is the best and strongest nation in the world! Surely that should be reflected in games?

 

But yes, spread on the IJN compared to US ones are quite silly, some other way of balancing is probably the way to go. Not sure how though.

[Zaods]

 

But USA is the best and strongest nation in the world! Surely that should be reflected in games?

 

But yes, spread on the IJN compared to US ones are quite silly, some other way of balancing is probably the way to go. Not sure how though.

 

yeah i guess we should just give midway the possibility to launch b29s with nukes you're right.

 

on a sidenote i didn't know that us players were so bad that can't even think of a way to dodge pretty standard attacks like that

[Grim_Destiny]

 

Which way do you turn to  dodge this ?

 

1. Focus fire left (or right)

2. Turn hard into the TB Squad on Your opposite flank- aim to pass through his line of Torps

3. You`ll eat the Torps originally coming from Your front, but you`ll throw off the DBs aim and might force the other TB Squad to re-align, giving Your AA time to deal With it.

 

I`ve survived attacks from upwards to 12 squadrons on multiple occasions. Weaving in and out, banking left and right, sweating my pants off and coming out of it With 50 planes shot Down, quarter Health and two opposing CV players scared of my coming response.

 

On one occasion this massive attack was so prolongued i had to defend against two Waves, because the attacking CVs were re-launching Squads as they were defeated and just kept the pressure up. Got out With a sliver of Health and 94 planes shot Down. I fucked them up good afterwards. This was maybe 4-5 weeks ago.  

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

Which way do you turn to  dodge this ?

 

I got attacked like that in the Atago when I tested her yesterday, I died but managed to avoid most torpedoes, I still got hit like 6 or 7 times. Well most torpedoes I got hit like 2 times per wave so around 50-60% but the enemy team had a Lexington and a tier 9 or 10 IJN CV so I'm not sure whether it was IJN or USN torpedo bombers.

Maybe USN, but it could've been a combined effort since I was attacked by 3 torpedo bombers and a load of DBs and the same time and I was pretty close to both of them.

 

I didn't really noticed the planes in time, just before they dropped their load because I was engaging a Pensacola( with AP which She bounced constantly (-.-)")

And well, the Atago has a pretty terrible rudder shift time for a cruiser.

 

And I was like thinking whether that was a little too harsh or not, but well, I was in a cruiser that isn't particularly nimble nor has good AA, and I was alone and the Cv that attacked me was at least a tier higher and you know It was kind of reasonable.

 

But actually I think the problem with the carriers is that they do a large amounts of damage in one go, and that's pretty frustrating to experience. 

It would me much better with less damage per strike, but They can do strikes faster via faster planes and shorter arm times.

[KurumizawaR]

on many occasions a torpedo from IJN bomber does less than 4 or 5k dmg (i still have nightmares from that 2k torps on a yamato...so worth it ), so considering that picture

 

Which way do you turn to  dodge this ?

 

if that BB just drives in a straight line he will at most eat 5 or 6 torps, which deals about 20 maybe 30k ish dmg to him - if you are lucky. he can repair that damage almost fully with his repair and considering that you prbly lost half your squads, as this is a high tier BB, it doesn't really seem OP to me. it just feels like it for you as you get hit for a big chunk of your health, but that only happens about every 3 or 4 minutes, depending where the CV is standing on the map AND if that BB is driving alone without any CA around him - which rarely happens anymore as people learn to stick together for surviving (teamplay).

 

so we deal 20k dmg in 3/4 minutes and loose 4 or 5 planes each strike, more if he is not alone. pls give me one example of a BB not dealing 20k damage in 3 to 4 minutes and he doesn't run out of ammunition (for CV planes) after a hard game.

if those would be US CV torp bomber coming from both sides then he would eat more torps and take alot more damage than from the IJN ones, but no one bothers with them as they mostly pick fighter layout - the not yet realising their potential US CV players at least.

and remember my example was without the BB dodging, just driving into those torps, praise the IJN spread for not hitting as much and you hardly ever do that formation on a BB as he has high AA and you want to group your torps together for a swift strike and less losses of planes - i.e all coming from one side dealing about 30k ish damage if done right OR even one shotting him if ammo detonation (that happens quite frequently if you grouped your torps very well, as more than 1 torp will pen the magazine and the second or third will let it explode) but as you can guess, that is the counterpart for citadell hits on cruisers that BB do all the time and takes ALOT of practice and skill and will still rarely happen - not like the citadell hit a BB gives a CA with almost every shot

 

to be honest most good CV player that i saw don't bother going for BB on high tiers as they have to good AA, they go for Destroyer and Cruiser as you can get kills on them quite easily - i personally kill like 2-3 destroyer in one game each, praise the hammer and anvil attack formation.

well and the main target for a CV is mostly the enemy CV, so the early stages of the games you won't even be bothered by planes as a BB or anything else than a CV ^^

 

[Spellfire40]

Well good luck killing a full health 9 to 10 BB in one concentradted atack. Nuking CVs is still posible. If your suround someone with 6 Flights your suposed to do heave damage to him to cordinate that all drop their payload at the same time does take some serius skill. CV are no CA or BB it goes BOOOM 4 min nothing BOOOM. and that only if all works as intended. Some CA surounding your target can screw your atack up some Figter cover will also. That dont make strike carriers obsolete but it lessens their impact a bit. 9 out of 10 " this is overpowerd " posts dont see that the damage CV cause are Very compressed and when you conter the argument its allways the "but you dont get shot at whlie atacking with planes"

 

 

The Problem i have with the Taiho lies with their upgraded fighters wich do 14 less dps for 9 more kn in speed and 200 hp. Well US have less dps on the essex on their upgraded Essex too but the highter number per squad let them deal more easyly with stikre aurgrups before their ammo runs out.

 

The second problem i had on ice map is that sometimes atacking air groups seems to have cloaking devices. They dindt showed up on the minimap till they droped their Tops. in one of the cases i had  a fighter flight set on escorting me didnt noticable reaking to them either. Someone else noticed simular cases since last patch. I had plenty of CV fights on that map  before and something like that never happend.

 

 

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Spellfire40

 

 

[Aerroon]

About the carrier hypothetical: slow down and turn hard right while focus firing hard left. Don't repair flooding before dive bombers come. Then after it's over you use heal. Grats you lost like 15-20k HP max, because most of those torpedoes outright missed.

[Vulgarny]

If this is IJN ones you can eat all 12 torps and all bombs . On yamato they will deal about 45k dmg total. WIth HP regen you will regain about 20k from it. Congratz as potato you took 25-30k dmg from very good CV attack doing nothing.

[Userext]

If this is IJN ones you can eat all 12 torps and all bombs . On yamato they will deal about 45k dmg total. WIth HP regen you will regain about 20k from it. Congratz as potato you took 25-30k dmg from very good CV attack doing nothing.

 

well that nice as a potato you might not even get hit by perfectly planned torpedoes launched by destroyers

[Vulgarny]

Stop shooting all your torps into lead indicator? ON shimakaze one tube into lead indicator and other 2 launched if enemy would turn your 1 salvo