Great video on the new economic rework.

[Corpsetaker]

Hello,

 

I've never heard of this Youtuber before so I'm not fully up to speed on the value of his opinion. His name is RagingCanadian and a video of his came up in my recommended feed on Youtube about the new economic rework so I had a watch of it. I honestly think he's spot on and if you haven't seen it I recommend you watch it. 

 

 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

+20% credits (in the new system) is "worse by a lot" than +20% credits (in the old system)? That's an interesting take for sure, but basic math tends to disagree.

The claim that you can't get blue boosters without paying is easily proven wrong too, since you can get them for example from weekly and monthly combat missions, or various events. Sure, they are not thrown around in masses, but neither were the comparable dragon signals and especially not the 3 super rare camos with the best bonuses.

Obviously all "conclusions" following this are thus also incorrect. Would rate 2/10, not recommend.

[KhorneFlake]

Did not even bother to watch the video, dont care about the blabbering of so called YouTube stars, claiming things to be that are not true.

 

Doesnt mean I agree with all kind of nonsense WG produces, but thats another story

[_Kokushibo_]

1 hour ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

+20% credits (in the new system) us "worse by a lot" than +20% credits (in the old system)? That's an interesting take for sure, but basic math tends to disagree.

The claim that you can't get blue boosters without paying is easily proven wrong too, since you can get them for example from weekly and monthly combat missions, or various events. Sure, they are not thrown around in masses, but neither were the comparable dragon signals and especially not the 3 super rare camos with the best bonuses.

Obviously all "conclusions" following this are thus also incorrect. Would rate 2/10, not recommend.

It's always nice to hear the honest opinion about the game from a WG employee. Btw you should revisit you basic math. You can do easier by playing the game without premium and all the free goodies to get a good grip on how the new "improved" bonus system feels for a newcomer to the game - one that tries to play the game for free (as it's advertised).

[Corpsetaker]

23 minutes ago, KhorneFlake said:

Did not even bother to watch the video, dont care about the blabbering of so called YouTube stars, claiming things to be that are not true.

 

Doesnt mean I agree with all kind of nonsense WG produces, but thats another story

Hello,

 

So you form an opinion of something without even looking at it?

[KhorneFlake]

1 minute ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

So you form an opinion of something without even looking at it?

I form my opinion from experience.

And unlike you I have a lot so I dont have to believe every bull.... coming from YouTube.

 

Really, what do you have to contribute about economy with your barley 400 battles and tier 5 ships?

 

Youre just reposting crap from some haters on the internet.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, _Kokushibo_ said:

It's always nice to hear the honest opinion about the game from a WG employee. Btw you should revisit you basic math. You can do easier by playing the game without premium and all the free goodies to get a good grip on how the new "improved" bonus system feels for a newcomer to the game - one that tries to play the game for free (as it's advertised).

How is that different to a new player in the old system?

 

And from what I heard, new players get quite a few boosters very quickly, especially when they use all the available bonus stuff (invite code, invite link, permanent bonus codes).

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 7 Minuten, _Kokushibo_ sagte:

It's always nice to hear the honest opinion about the game from a WG employee. Btw you should revisit you basic math. You can do easier by playing the game without premium and all the free goodies to get a good grip on how the new "improved" bonus system feels for a newcomer to the game - one that tries to play the game for free (as it's advertised).

Please do explain, what's the difference between 20% and 20%? What's the actual difference for newcomers with this system?

[_Kokushibo_]

3 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Please do explain, what's the difference between 20% and 20%? What's the actual difference for newcomers with this system?

Give me access to the source code and I will show you the difference. Or better ask your colleagues from Q&A. It's not about 20% vs 20%, it's about the old system vs the new system. But you can keep talking about the basic math - it's entertaining.

I've played enough battles in the new system to understand which of the bonuses are good, bad or garbage. And the conclusion from the video is quite accurate IMO.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 6 Minuten, _Kokushibo_ sagte:

I've played enough battles in the new system to understand which of the bonuses are good, bad or garbage.

Well, it's not like they are ordered from low to high bonuses, right?

Vor 12 Minuten, _Kokushibo_ sagte:

Give me access to the source code and I will show you the difference. Or better ask your colleagues from Q&A. It's not about 20% vs 20%, it's about the old system vs the new system.

Yes it is. One of the arguments in the video on why the new system is worse is that the lowest bonuses are "worse by a lot". And that's simply wrong, because the lowest credit bonus (shown in the video) now is +20%. The lowest signal flag in the old system was +20%, exactly the same. You also don't need any source code for that, both the bonuses and how they are used is known.

[Corpsetaker]

51 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

How is that different to a new player in the old system?

 

And from what I heard, new players get quite a few boosters very quickly, especially when they use all the available bonus stuff (invite code, invite link, permanent bonus codes).

Hello,

 

Those new players get access when they spend money.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

Those new players get access when they spend money.

Access to what?

Next Tier? That is for free.

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, _Kokushibo_ said:

Give me access to the source code and I will show you the difference. Or better ask your colleagues from Q&A. It's not about 20% vs 20%, it's about the old system vs the new system. But you can keep talking about the basic math - it's entertaining.

I've played enough battles in the new system to understand which of the bonuses are good, bad or garbage. And the conclusion from the video is quite accurate IMO.

The 20% credit bonus today is the same as Zulu flag. The 40% is the Zulu plus 20% credits from some credit camos. Though there's a big gap between the 40% and 160% which I would honestly put 75% or 80% bonus in between. 

Yes the income with 20% is pretty meh, but there's no difference between this and the one with the Zulu flag only in the old system. 

[KillStealBoss]

38 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Access to what?

Next Tier? That is for free.

Access to more blue bonuses. The red ones also (they'll be available in the upcoming dockyard in the last stages rewards that you have to pay for in order to get them. And I'm sure they'll be in the upcoming mega Santa crates) 

[tocqueville8]

He had me until the point where he said there's no way to get the blue boosters without spending money.

 

At the very least, they come in the weekly containers, instead of the old dragon flags. That's not "spot on": it's ignorant.

[KillStealBoss]

6 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

He had me until the point where he said there's no way to get the blue boosters without spending money.

 

At the very least, they come in the weekly containers, instead of the old dragon flags. That's not "spot on": it's ignorant.

Means he is playing this game super casually that he's not completing those weekly missions to get the gift containers. 

[SkipperCH]

Which would also have resulted in him not getting any bonuses in the old system. Which in return tells me that he did not research his video. Just put something out because it's "the topic of the day". 

[Corpsetaker]

8 minutes ago, EnjoyingYourPain said:

Means he is playing this game super casually that he's not completing those weekly missions to get the gift containers. 

Hello,

 

Exactly and RC stated that in the video.

[Corpsetaker]

21 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

He had me until the point where he said there's no way to get the blue boosters without spending money.

 

At the very least, they come in the weekly containers, instead of the old dragon flags. That's not "spot on": it's ignorant.

Hello,

 

The fact still remains that if you want enough blue that actually make a difference you still need to spend money and gamble.

[HunterOfTheHunted]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

And from what I heard, new players get quite a few boosters very quickly,

And from experience I can tell you they burn through those boosters extremly quickly, as they are not as numerous as you have heard. From all those good bonuses I have almost none left. Only the grey stuff and a few of the greens but even those numbers are dwindling faster than I can gain them.

Soon I'll run out of blue and red boni and I don't see any way to regain them as a casual, except maybe for rare rewards every now and then. Previously I was able to collect them over a longer time from various sources. Now they are essentially non-existent to me.

 

Here is a challenge for you: Start a new account. Play 500 battles in it and then tell me your income didn't get nerfed because you are now unable to combine different boni.

 

I have a direct comparison with my few boni available between pre- and post-patch economy. You don't seem to have that if you argue on hearsay.

[tocqueville8]

6 minutes ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

The fact still remains that if you want enough blue that actually make a difference you still need to spend money and gamble.

 

Define "enough to make a difference".

 

The fact remains that some blue boosters are available for free every week, just like dragon flags previously. Maybe more can be found in super containers or Ranked rewards, I'm not sure.

 

In any case, I don't feel entitled to large quantities of +800% bonuses for free: they were rare before and they're supposed to be rare now.

[venderbomb]

5 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

+20% credits (in the new system) is "worse by a lot" than +20% credits (in the old system)? That's an interesting take for sure, but basic math tends to disagree.

The claim that you can't get blue boosters without paying is easily proven wrong too, since you can get them for example from weekly and monthly combat missions, or various events. Sure, they are not thrown around in masses, but neither were the comparable dragon signals and especially not the 3 super rare camos with the best bonuses.

Obviously all "conclusions" following this are thus also incorrect. Would rate 2/10, not recommend.

Let's be honest here, there was nothing wrong with the flags/camos system before. Its free to play and a business at the end of the day - we get it! but please dont try and say this change to economics is for the benefit of the playerbase and not an underhanded revenue stream, because we don't believe you!😉

[Khaba_Gandalf]

The rework benefits me, so am I not a player?

[ColonelPete]

51 minutes ago, Corpsetaker said:

Hello,

 

The fact still remains that if you want enough blue that actually make a difference you still need to spend money and gamble.

Same as in the old system.

47 minutes ago, HunterOfTheHunted said:

And from experience I can tell you they burn through those boosters extremly quickly, as they are not as numerous as you have heard. From all those good bonuses I have almost none left. Only the grey stuff and a few of the greens but even those numbers are dwindling faster than I can gain them.

Soon I'll run out of blue and red boni and I don't see any way to regain them as a casual, except maybe for rare rewards every now and then. Previously I was able to collect them over a longer time from various sources. Now they are essentially non-existent to me.

 

Here is a challenge for you: Start a new account. Play 500 battles in it and then tell me your income didn't get nerfed because you are now unable to combine different boni.

 

I have a direct comparison with my few boni available between pre- and post-patch economy. You don't seem to have that if you argue on hearsay.

If you burn through the good stuff, you should pace yourself.

And no, starting a new account would be pointless. When I started, I got NOTHING. New accounts today get loads of stuff. I would be better off just by making the account.

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 6 Minuten, venderbomb sagte:

Let's be honest here, there was nothing wrong with the flags/camos system before. Its free to play and a business at the end of the day - we get it! but please dont try and say this change to economics is for the benefit of the playerbase and not an underhanded revenue stream, because we don't believe you!😉

The camo/flags system was a revenue stream before as well, so I'm not sure what your point is

 

And if we are actually honest, the old system absolutely had downsides:

• you had to search through dozens of camos to find one with the bonuses you want (over 100 camos for me)
• the XP bonuses were spread and mixed, if you just wanted to farm commander XP, you automatically had to pick XP bonuses as well, which would often be wasted on premium, special or elite ships
• many camos and signals had multiple types of bonuses, you could never pick only those you wanted
• not all the camos actually looked good, but you still had to take them for the bonuses
• having a perma camo was also a disadvantage, because the best bonuses were on consumable camos, so you couldn't use the perma camo for actual farming

From my personal perspective as a player, I have so far mostly found advantages with the new system. But if you have any concerns, please do share them with us.