The RB ships all mediocre or worse?

[Itwastuesday]

So I started two regrinds with the 2x boni without thinking it quite through, that is, looking at what's even available. Even less exciting than steel ships! And I already got suckered into getting Yolo Emilio.

 

Short opinion on what I see :

 

Sniper BB that substitutes the most important attributes of long range BB for useless penetration and dispersion. Shell travel time tho? Idk

 

Lesser Preussen with fast heal. Ok. Pass.

 

Smolensk without smoke. Pass.

 

A much worse british Venezia. Can't pass hard enough on this one.

 

A gun DD's that add to the ever increasing list of dumb gunboats.

 

A destroyer that very much looks like a whole package, but a nation that has no ship lines in the game...

 

And a boat that lost it's gimmick.

 

Uhhh. And the upgrades are a bunch of crock too....

 

[ColonelPete]

It helps to inform yourself before investing that much time or ressources into two regrinds.

Some of the ships are quite good.

[KillStealBoss]

25 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

Lesser Preussen with fast heal. Ok. Pass.

What? Ohio is overall way better than Preusen. Gun angles and accuracy are far superior, the secondary accuracy and fire chance of also better. The only things that are better in Preusen are the main guns reload, secondary pen and hydro. 

25 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

destroyer that very much looks like a whole package, but a nation that has no ship lines in the game...

Sooner or later the Commonwealth DDs will be in the game. Maybe next year or two. And this one is really good, you'll have the commander for the new line ready. 

It's literally a T10 Haida : crazy dpm and good hydro + crawling smoke. 

[stefanorgano]

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

Smolensk without smoke. Pass.

A ship that actually requires brains to work? HERESY

 

And Ohio is pretty much the best T10 BB that you can get right now, maybe even better than my beloved French burger. Definitely on another league than Preussen, btw. Heck, I think Montana is better than Preussen so...

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

Sniper BB that substitutes the most important attributes of long range BB for useless penetration and dispersion. Shell travel time tho? Idk

 

Slava is an excellent long-range BB: penetration, vertical dispersion and shell travel time are all crucial to get reliable damage at distance. 

The problem is that it's difficult to win games just sniping broadsides across the map: you might do good damage, but it's too spread out to have a good impact.

 

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

Smolensk without smoke. Pass.

 

I think the issue is more with the Smolensk's troll armor than with her smoke. Colbert has much higher DPM, but she gets citadelled by large cruisers quite easily. Still, for me she's the most fun ship in the game... 

 

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

A gun DD's that add to the ever increasing list of dumb gunboats.

 

Druid is different: she has to think of crossfires the way a Petro/Stalingrad/Jean Bart does, which is unique for a DD. Very minimap-oriented, 

 

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

A destroyer that very much looks like a whole package, but a nation that has no ship lines in the game...

 

You don't need a terribly good captain on the Vampire 2 to make her effective. Mine's last 4 points are for fire chance and consumable duration, which are only marginal improvements.

 

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

And I already got suckered into getting Yolo Emilio.

 

We've all been 

[Wulf_Ace]

then dont grind them, simple.

 

I know my Ohio is one of the best BBs i have.

I wont even mention how good Sigfried is.

Dont have regrets buying them.

[principat121]

I would kindly suggest to increase your skill floor to be able to better jugde the current RB ship?

 

Who with their right mind would ever compare a Preussen to a Ohio. There are worlds between them! 

 

[Karkong_the_Impaler]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

Druid is different: she has to think of crossfires the way a Petro/Stalingrad/Jean Bart does, which is unique for a DD. Very minimap-oriented, 

It's a trash bote. Entirely. Guns only do 1-2k per salvo usually and no torps to boot. Your maximum range is 12.4km, so almost in russian radar range. Also, you can be seen from space. (TBH I never had as much fun as with this thing I have 700 games by now, I mean you can get devstrikes on shimas and hallands - and cheeky broadside minotaurs at short range. The issue is, it's highly player skill dependant and some ships .... just click. I suppose it's not for everyone, as it radically breaks with the usual DD doctrine and you're outright bad if you don't adapt.)

 

Slava on the other hand is a perfect trainer. If you don't get a citadel, it's you. Ok, overdramatic, but it helped my gunnery and BB positioning a lot. Watch yuros video.

 

Ohio is everywhere and probably the single best choice - I don't have it though.

 

Vampire is a sidegrade with other gimmicks and no heal. Probably fun if you enjoy Daring so much, you'd buy another one in a different flavour. Don't have it either.

 

But that's it. RB ships are, in my perception, sidegrades to existing ships or pigeonholed into ever more extreme specializations. Otherwise, some legendary upgrades are worth it, desmo leg mod, shima torp mod, yamato sigma mod all come to mind - here again RB points buy you either a different flavour (see Kleber with torps) or a more extreme version of the same ship.

[tocqueville8]

39 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Druid is a trash bote. Entirely. Guns only do 1-2k per salvo usually and no torps to boot. Your maximum range is 12.4km, so almost in russian radar range.

 

That's your minimum range.

 

Your maximum range is 16.8 km, which is absurd. 14.5 with just the skill is very comfortable though.

 

51 minutes ago, Karkong_the_Impaler said:

Also, you can be seen from space

 

Not more so than a Soviet or French gunboat, but you get both a heal and a bunch of smokes to farm. You don't have to play the Druid like a DD hunter.

[MoveZig]

If you try to play Druid like Kleber or Khaba, you're gonna get spanked as you can't even outrun any of the DDs that spot you from 500m away. I won't say it's good or usually fun to play, but it's certainly different. A bad kind of different where you're basically depending on enemies to make mistakes, but that's the nature of anything that only has AP.

[tocqueville8]

16 minutes ago, MoveZig said:

If you try to play Druid like Kleber or Khaba, you're gonna get spanked as you can't even outrun any of the DDs that spot you from 500m away

 

You won't get spanked from 13-14 km. Not by most ships, anyway.

 

My point is, if you have spotting/support you can go closer and use those smokes to farm more damage from a better position. If you don't, at least you can do some damage from a safer distance, without having to engage the enemy DDs.

[Itwastuesday]

Yeah I think I get vampire 2 and never regrind again. 

[SkipperCH]

Vor 7 Stunden, Itwastuesday sagte:

So I started two regrinds with the 2x boni without thinking it quite through, that is, looking at what's even available. Even less exciting than steel ships! And I already got suckered into getting Yolo Emilio.

Paolo is a strong ship. Just not as a cap DD. 

 

Zitat

Sniper BB that substitutes the most important attributes of long range BB for useless penetration and dispersion. Shell travel time tho? Idk

Slawa is one of the strongest BB's. When played as a cruiser. If she gets ignored she can deal massive damage.

Zitat

Lesser Preussen with fast heal. Ok. Pass.

Ohio is much more than a Preußen. 

Zitat

Smolensk without smoke. Pass.

She lost some of her strenghts due to the captains rework, but is still usable for random games. 

Zitat

 

A much worse british Venezia. Can't pass hard enough on this one.

Gibraltar has her drawbacks, yes. 

Zitat

A gun DD's that add to the ever increasing list of dumb gunboats.

So it by default is mediocre or worse than techtree ships?

Zitat

A destroyer that very much looks like a whole package, but a nation that has no ship lines in the game...

Not yet at least. But still not a bad ship. Quite the opposite.

Zitat

And a boat that lost it's gimmick.

And yet a strong ship. 

Zitat

 

Uhhh. And the upgrades are a bunch of crock too....

For RP? Yes. When you could get them for simply playing? No.

 

Just going by raw data. You're saying that some of the best ships of their classes (Druid, Ohio, Siegfried) are worse than their respective tech tree counterparts?

[fumtu]

4 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

And Ohio simply gets ignored? okay. One of the most OP ships the game has to offer. 

 

He mentioned Ohio, compering it to Preussen

 

7 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Lesser Preussen with fast heal. Ok. Pass.

 

All three RB ships I have, I consider good, V2 is even my favourite DD for ranked. But if someone don't think that they are not good than just don't go for them, simple as that. Plenty of other ships to play instead.

[Itwastuesday]

4 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

Ohio simply gets ignored? okay. One of the most OP ships the game has to offer. 

It is the worse Preussen part. Less armored, slower reload, slower, no hydro... Less good.

[SkipperCH]

Vor 1 Minute, fumtu sagte:

 

He mentioned Ohio, compering it to Preussen

Corrected my text after noticing^^

[SV_Kompresor]

8 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

It is the worse Preussen part. Less armored, slower reload, slower, no hydro... Less good.

It's not surprising people missed it. You hid it quite well, considering it's one of the strongest BBs overall.

[Aragathor]

I own all of the non-DD RB ships and I find them all to be quite good. Save for one, Gibraltar.

Gibraltar is a cursed combination of the worst traits of Minotaur and Goliath. That ship is the only one where I was disappointed.

All the others were a good choice. Even Siegfried.

[Gorthuba]

Ohio is fantastic and always one of the best t10 BBs for competitive. So if you play anything other than randoms then she should be an obvious choice for you, seeing as 40% of your games are played in BBs.

As for the DDs, I really quite enjoy both Vampire II and Druid. Although I probably prefer Druid between the two of them, because she's so unique, whereas Vampire II is an alternative Daring/Haida. Sure it might take a bit more game knowledge to pull off the Druid well, but if you've got that down then you can absolutely brutalize certain ships. I find even Ragnars to be easy prey in it.

[Panocek]

22 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

So it by default is mediocre or worse than techtree ships?

Given effort needed to obtain her, kinda yes. You don't need particular qualifiers to sit in smoke/behind island and farm, especially as Druid pays considerable concealment tax, rendering her at mercy of teammates to do the teamwork things.

 

22 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

And Ohio simply gets ignored? okay. One of the most OP ships the game has to offer. 

To me she's barely an upgrade over Georgia.

More hp and 400mm main belt are welcome, but major loss of speed, as well extra pair of cannons is "compensated" by worse dispersion and reload.

 

22 minutes ago, SkipperCH said:

Slawa is one of the strongest BB's. When played as a cruiser. If she gets ignored she can deal massive damage.

If you forget about Montana she can send you back to port just as fine. And both rapidly start struggling against angled cruisers.

[Fediuld]

7 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Short opinion on what I see :

 

Sniper BB that substitutes the most important attributes of long range BB for useless penetration and dispersion. Shell travel time tho? Idk

 

Lesser Preussen with fast heal. Ok. Pass.

 

Smolensk without smoke. Pass.

 

A much worse british Venezia. Can't pass hard enough on this one.

 

A gun DD's that add to the ever increasing list of dumb gunboats.

 

A destroyer that very much looks like a whole package, but a nation that has no ship lines in the game...

 

And a boat that lost it's gimmick.

 

Uhhh. And the upgrades are a bunch of crock too....

 

a) Don't get them then, nobody forces you 

 

b) Ohio is an amazing ship. Slava is a good ship, Colbert a French tier 10 Boise/Helena and Siegfried an alternative Agir. I would say these ships are good. 

 

c) Upgrades. Now I know you don't have clue. Fuel Injection System (Hakuryu), Torp Quick Reload System (Shimakaze), Aerozol Smoke (Minotaur), Improved Bridge (Zao), Reinforced Emergency (Montana), Main Battery Director (Yamato, yeah when you see a Yamato one shooting you from 29km probably uses that), Improved Ammunition Hoist (GK, making it a secondary spec menace), Additional Smoke (Harugumo). 

[Itwastuesday]

36 minutes ago, WgPlsNerfBorderHumping said:

Ohio is fantastic and always one of the best t10 BBs for competitive. So if you play anything other than randoms then she should be an obvious choice for you, seeing as 40% of your games are played in BBs.

 

Having most of the TX Battleships, Ohio (and Slava) are the hardest sells. What do either do that justify their cost compared to the many other, rather effective battleships? 

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

 

Having most of the TX Battleships, Ohio (and Slava) are the hardest sells. What do either do that justify their cost compared to the many other, rather effective battleships? 

 

A different playstyle, bragging rights and some permanent economic bonuses. They both have their pros and cons, just like everything else here.

 

Personally, I do better in the Montana than in the Ohio, in Randoms. And in Ranked, judging by my experience in the Rupprecht, I'd do better with the Schlieffen at Tier 10. I also do better with Daring than Druid, but Druid is more quirky, and I don't always like to play the strongest ships.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

7 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

So I started two regrinds with the 2x boni without thinking it quite through, that is, looking at what's even available. Even less exciting than steel ships! And I already got suckered into getting Yolo Emilio.

 

Short opinion on what I see :

 

Why would it be necessary to make a dedicated topic to capture a single person's opinion?

What is the purpose or intention of this topic?

Do you actually want other people's opinion? Why not ask for it then, but go into a lengthy rant about RB-ships?

 

Honestly, there are so many RB-ships by now, you should easily find a suitable ship. The purpose of the RB is not to provide the players with better ships. If that was the case than regrinds would be compulsory for competitive players. That however is exactly what the community didn't want the RB to be. So regrinds still are optional with a nice reward waiting at the end. With the rework now you don't need to waste CXP/FXP bonusses on lower tiers, but can actually use the XP-bonusses isolated. This makes regrinding more rewarding.

[WildWind84]

16 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

So I started two regrinds with the 2x boni without thinking it quite through, that is, looking at what's even available. Even less exciting than steel ships! And I already got suckered into getting Yolo Emilio.

 

Short opinion on what I see :

 

Sniper BB that substitutes the most important attributes of long range BB for useless penetration and dispersion. Shell travel time tho? Idk

 

Lesser Preussen with fast heal. Ok. Pass.

 

Smolensk without smoke. Pass.

 

A much worse british Venezia. Can't pass hard enough on this one.

 

A gun DD's that add to the ever increasing list of dumb gunboats.

 

A destroyer that very much looks like a whole package, but a nation that has no ship lines in the game...

 

And a boat that lost it's gimmick.

 

Uhhh. And the upgrades are a bunch of crock too....

 

 

Welp, I have Ohio, basicaly have all US and Germany sec. build BBs exept Mecklenburg. And damn, I really enjoy in my Ohio.

 

EDIT: Ohio is ship which will allow you many things in game and for me also ship which teach me how to be less "hydro dependant" (Massa have great torp protection, Georgia have speed, but with Ohio - you need know that or learn and I was needed that also to learn).