Upcoming changes to the Economy of Camos & Flags bonuses

[Aethervoxx]

I read the article (that Wall of Text ).

My opinion is this is another unnecessary change to established WoWS game practices.

Removing Camo bonuses will eventually, I opine, have more ships in battle running in their base grey colour. Whoopie  for that visual.

Removing Flag bonuses will eventually, I opine, reduce the number of flags flown because why bother? Whoopie , again.

Adding another layer of bonus symbols (where some look like current EXP symbols)  and some new mechanic won't simplify things, quite the opposite. Whoopie , more reversing (ie: the 'infamous RL' BB tactic).

Since when has WG kept their core games (WoT and/or WoWS) to their original design? The reality is incessant change to to maximize .

Personally, WG has closed my wallet themselves for all their incessantly, imo, negative changes to both these once great game concepts.

I suppose I will play WoWS here & there, however, my play is getting more minimal as each new 'failure update' arrives.

Years ago, now, in WoT Forum, I posted that WG would, as in the fable, eventually kill their golden goose by forcing it to lay more golden eggs. I no longer play WoT. It is unrecognizable now from its original design. Why? 

Exactly the same  thing  ()  is  ly happening here   in WoWS  .

 

 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

24 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

I read the article (that Wall of Text ).

My opinion is this is another unnecessary change to established WoWS game practices.

Removing Camo bonuses will eventually, I opine, have more ships in battle running in their base grey colour. Whoopie  for that visual.

Removing Flag bonuses will eventually, I opine, reduce the number of flags flown because why bother? Whoopie , again.

Adding another layer of bonus symbols (where some look like current EXP symbols)  and some new mechanic won't simplify things, quite the opposite. Whoopie , more reversing (ie: the 'infamous RL' BB tactic).

Since when has WG kept their core games (WoT and/or WoWS) to their original design? The reality is incessant change to to maximize .

Personally, WG has closed my wallet themselves for all their incessantly, imo, negative changes to both these once great game concepts.

I suppose I will play WoWS here & there, however, my play is getting more minimal as each new 'failure update' arrives.

Years ago, now, in WoT Forum, I posted that WG would, as in the fable, eventually kill their golden goose by forcing it to lay more golden eggs. I no longer play WoT. It is unrecognizable now from its original design. Why? 

Exactly the same  thing  ()  is  ly happening here   in WoWS  .

 

 

>I actually tried to read that article as well but couldn't continue after "This is not going to make it worse on the player base, in some cases you will even earn more..."

 

Can someone please give me the no-BS short-short version? How will we all get shafted?

[Sir_Grzegorz]

I am of opinion that rework will be a great success. 

I do remember times when battle fee dependent on damage taken, my biggest loss was 300k silver in Yamato. 

After a change to the battle fee of being constant my biggest loss was 200k silver on Yamato. 

I will take a Yamato, do nothing, and see if I will get a bill of 400k silver, if yes, then I am in favor. 

On most players, me included, we will earn less, but so far we have earned much to much. 

Does it improve anything? Nope. 

[Redcap375]

10 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

>I actually tried to read that article as well but couldn't continue after "This is not going to make it worse on the player base, in some cases you will even earn more..."

 

You picked up on that key wording too ay.  Two buzz words "Overall" and "Certain".  Like government taxes, what you save on one thing, something else takes the hit to make up for the short fall.  Can already see that free XP has taken a hit. 

 

Only time will tell and to be honest...Whatever WG, i'm sure you have your reasons ££

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

1 minute ago, Redcap375 said:

 

You picked up on that key wording too ay.  Two buzz words "Overall" and "Certain".  Like government taxes, what you save on one thing, something else takes the hit to make up for the short fall.  Can already see that free XP has taken a hit. 

 

Only time will tell and to be honest...Whatever WG, i'm sure you have your reasons ££

But how much are we shafted? Do they delete all the signals and camos we have at the moment, or do they get "transferred over" using Russian rubel exchange currency to the new system? They nerf Missouri again or is that still "just like the old Missouri"?

I really don't get this new change other then its just a new way for WeeGee to shaft the player base.

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

I read the article (that Wall of Text ).

My opinion is this is another unnecessary change to established WoWS game practices.

Removing Camo bonuses will eventually, I opine, have more ships in battle running in their base grey colour. Whoopie  for that visual.

Removing Flag bonuses will eventually, I opine, reduce the number of flags flown because why bother? Whoopie , again.

Adding another layer of bonus symbols (where some look like current EXP symbols)  and some new mechanic won't simplify things, quite the opposite. Whoopie , more reversing (ie: the 'infamous RL' BB tactic).

Since when has WG kept their core games (WoT and/or WoWS) to their original design? The reality is incessant change to to maximize .

Personally, WG has closed my wallet themselves for all their incessantly, imo, negative changes to both these once great game concepts.

I suppose I will play WoWS here & there, however, my play is getting more minimal as each new 'failure update' arrives.

Years ago, now, in WoT Forum, I posted that WG would, as in the fable, eventually kill their golden goose by forcing it to lay more golden eggs. I no longer play WoT. It is unrecognizable now from its original design. Why? 

Exactly the same  thing  ()  is  ly happening here   in WoWS  .

 

 

You should be going to see it on PTS (just have a glance how it works) it's not that complicated at all. I also was freaking out but after seeing it - it's not bad. Especially if I want a perma camo on T10 without the bonus - I can buy it for 200 dubs only.

[Aragathor]

31 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

How will we all get shafted?

Multiple ways, some which will be seen only after the rework is in. Here's a taste:

 

- Removal of extra economic bonuses from special perma camos. If you start playing on Thursday with a fresh account you will not be able to obtain extra economic camos like Kobayashi or National. This will make whales like me less affected and at a massive advantage.

 

-Also all ranked token perma camos for Black and Flint are effectively worthless now. They give a standard bonus. So no point in grinding gold ranked, especially since WG is making it harder and harder.

 

-Removal of service cost reduction from camos. This will mean that a bad game will hurt your silver, especially when playing T10. The extra credit compensation will only kick in when you had an average game.

 

-Daily containers have been reworked. How a$$ they will become needs to be seen first, as WG hasn't bothered to update the content list yet.

 

-The coal bonuses in the armory have become more expensive per bonus. Before they cost 320 per signal, now they will cost 480 per signal. That's a 50% increase.

 

-The early Access camos are now optics only for a full price. The economy bonuses have to be obtained separately.

 

In short, whales like me will not feel the pinch immediately. Save maybe with the EA events.

Everyone else will have less choice and opportunity.

[hellhound666]

1 hour ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

>I actually tried to read that article as well but couldn't continue after "This is not going to make it worse on the player base, in some cases you will even earn more..."

 

Can someone please give me the no-BS short-short version? How will we all get shafted?

i got tired of scrolling it through ...

if they cant explain in simple way with simple examples then i dont have any trust in it

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

2 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Multiple ways, some which will be seen only after the rework is in. Here's a taste:

 

- Removal of extra economic bonuses from special perma camos. If you start playing on Thursday with a fresh account you will not be able to obtain extra economic camos like Kobayashi or National. This will make whales like me less affected and at a massive advantage.

 

-Also all ranked token perma camos for Black and Flint are effectively worthless now. They give a standard bonus. So no point in grinding gold ranked, especially since WG is making it harder and harder.

 

-Removal of service cost reduction from camos. This will mean that a bad game will hurt your silver, especially when playing T10. The extra credit compensation will only kick in when you had an average game.

 

-Daily containers have been reworked. How a$$ they will become needs to be seen first, as WG hasn't bothered to update the content list yet.

 

-The coal bonuses in the armory have become more expensive per bonus. Before they cost 320 per signal, now they will cost 480 per signal. That's a 50% increase.

 

-The early Access camos are now optics only for a full price. The economy bonuses have to be obtained separately.

 

In short, whales like me will not feel the pinch immediately. Save maybe with the EA events.

Everyone else will have less choice and opportunity.

So basically, they just continue to kill of their own game, but at greater speed?

 

Whales like us will still get our random games in a and make out well, while all the poor new players will get shafted and forced to pay their way if they want to progress. 

 

#NotSurprised

 

Hey..... maybe a new captain rework to keep us distracted......

[Siagor]

Rest assured, tech-tree submarines will be distracting enough.

[Aragathor]

56 minutes ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

So basically, they just continue to kill of their own game, but at greater speed?

 

Whales like us will still get our random games in a and make out well, while all the poor new players will get shafted and forced to pay their way if they want to progress. 

 

#NotSurprised

 

Hey..... maybe a new captain rework to keep us distracted......

More or less. I'm snug as a bug in my whale blubber, with several special camos and rare ships that get extra performance after the switch.

With the promised better income my OG Missouri, Roma, and Kii, will rake in the cash. So I can buy  myself more combat signals.

The change to perma camos means that most of my silver ships will get a permanent boost. And on top I get around 5000 economy bonuses in every category, spread around the levels.

So I can keep playing without a loss.

 

But the average Joe who maybe has some signals and camos, plus an event perma or two, he gets the gentle shaft from WG.

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 hours ago, EnjoyingYourPain said:

You should be going to see it on PTS (just have a glance how it works) it's not that complicated at all. I also was freaking out but after seeing it - it's not bad. Especially if I want a perma camo on T10 without the bonus - I can buy it for 200 dubs only.

'It's not looking that bad on play test server - so it cant be bad at live server' 

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

5 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Removing Camo bonuses will eventually, I opine, have more ships in battle running in their base grey colour. Whoopie  for that visual.

 

 

 

As for the bonuses, not sure what practical difference switching from type of visual bonuses to a different type of non-visual bonuses is going to make. Unless they are planning another use for the signal flags, of course.

[Verblonde]

13 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Unless they are planning another use for the signal flags, of course.

My eye was drawn to this earlier (source: https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news_ingame/game-browser/general-news/exterior-visuals-and-economic-bonuses/):

 

 

Particularly "we're kicking off a major overhaul", which implies the current separation is only the beginning; no doubt more horrors await. Would I be being excessively paranoid if I wondered if the assurances about not being worse off only apply to this initial phase?

[Aragathor]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

My eye was drawn to this earlier (source: https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news_ingame/game-browser/general-news/exterior-visuals-and-economic-bonuses/):

 

 

Particularly "we're kicking off a major overhaul", which implies the current separation is only the beginning; no doubt more horrors await. Would I be being excessively paranoid if I wondered if the assurances about not being worse off only apply to this initial phase?

In the eastern bloc we called it "salami tactic".

[Andrewbassg]

8 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

In the eastern bloc we called it "salami tactic".

I didn't heard that for quite some time now.....

 

Btw people, remember, tomorrow is the last day when one can buy camo's and flags for resources.

 

I think this is the best investment.

 

 

Coz.....

 

 

 

 

 

[Aragathor]

9 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

I didn't heard that for quite some time now.....

Some of us are old enough to remember the bad old days.

[Aethervoxx]

1 hour ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Unless they are planning another use for the signal flags, of course.

Perhaps, repurposed as butt wipes?

[Aethervoxx]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

he gets the gentle shaft from WG.

 

Maybe, not so gentle 

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, Europizza said:

'It's not looking that bad on play test server - so it cant be bad at live server' 

Anyone remember Jingles' first Puerto Rico dockyard vid (on PTS) where he went through the directives and said this looks pretty good.

Then it hit the live server and the mission requirements went up by a factor of six or so.

The conclusion he drew on his next vid was "Do you ever get the feeling you've been used?"

So, yeah - I've little faith as to what happens on PTS servers these days.

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, Europizza said:

'It's not looking that bad on play test server - so it cant be bad at live server' 

 

Cause I had all my ships and commanders from live server, all the bonuses and other stuff. So I can see what's going on and what I'll get. 

[Aethervoxx]

OK, folks - I have seen these changes on the NA server - the  will hit the fan here tomorrow, Thursday.

Obsevations; 

1) Why place signal flags into the equipment window? Why not leave them where they were?

2) Camos no longer give any bonuses - this will ensure many of them will be dumped never to be seen again. Why bother using a particular Camo, at all? Personally, I was using Restless Fire (now, inexplicaby renamed Perse) for the Captain exp bonus. Now, I no longer have to & I did think this Camo was (& is) far too garish. Now, I will sell those, to me, useless paint jobs. In essence, WG shoots themselves in their own Camo foot.

3) We can now have 'yellow Submarines' . Be prepared to see plenty of yellow tube steaks . ROFL

4) Thanks ,  Wedgie , for wasting everyones time to remount all our Signal Flags plus mount Bonus Banners plus remove & sell any butt ugly Camos you might perceive you no longer want (this one is an actual real plus ).

Overall. this Camo - Bonus Banner - Signal Flag  bonuses & visual alterations are, mostly, a waste of Developer resources, not to mention a Waste of players valuable time.

The only plausible reason for these changes is so WG can monetize this game even further, so, sailor boys & girls, get our your .

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

a MAJOR drama is brewing. I can already see the YouTube videos calling out WG. 

 

I regret spending this much money on this game...

[reforam]

Assuming I am going to keep playing WoWS - is it worth the gold to buy a permanent camo today? 

[Redcap375]

8 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

OK, folks - I have seen these changes on the NA server - the  will hit the fan here tomorrow, Thursday.

Obsevations; 

1) Why place signal flags into the equipment window? Why not leave them where they were?

2) Camos no longer give any bonuses - this will ensure many of them will be dumped never to be seen again. Why bother using a particular Camo, at all? Personally, I was using Restless Fire (now, inexplicaby renamed Perse) for the Captain exp bonus. Now, I no longer have to & I did think this Camo was (& is) far too garish. Now, I will sell those, to me, useless paint jobs. In essence, WG shoots themselves in their own Camo foot.

3) We can now have 'yellow Submarines' . Be prepared to see plenty of yellow tube steaks . ROFL

4) Thanks ,  Wedgie , for wasting everyones time to remount all our Signal Flags plus mount Bonus Banners plus remove & sell any butt ugly Camos you might perceive you no longer want (this one is an actual real plus ).

Overall. this Camo - Bonus Banner - Signal Flag  bonuses & visual alterations are, mostly, a waste of Developer resources, not to mention a Waste of players valuable time.

The only plausible reason for these changes is so WG can monetize this game even further, so, sailor boys & girls, get our your .

 

So basically, should I just sell all the camos? If they no longer give you any bonuses. 

 

Of course its WG £££££££.  They know too many people have bonuses cameos and this is a way to rid themselves of it.