[HAMAR] Puffin_ Players 737 posts Report post #1 Posted July 10, 2022 Give black British hydro And some more speed. This would help when farming in smoke and the speed would help changing sides and help with Radar other DD's in smoke. These changes would make Black more fun to play If War gaming is thinking of some balance changes to Black 14 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EMPOR] _DemonGuard_ Players 982 posts Report post #2 Posted July 10, 2022 And while you're at it, please give it a superheal und add 30-40 kn torp speed, that would make it even more fun. 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #3 Posted July 10, 2022 WG's response: "Best I can do is to nerf the reload by 33% for reasons." 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CV_SUB_Report_Blacklist Players 1,045 posts 21,881 battles Report post #4 Posted July 10, 2022 it is not balanced ship to begin with , how you can ask for more ? smoke + radar is already a cheat and toxic ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #5 Posted July 10, 2022 50K extra HP and french damage saturation too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karkong_the_Impaler Players 2,983 posts Report post #6 Posted July 10, 2022 I'm at that point again. I can't really tell if you mean it as an (commendable) ironic comment concerning the toxic radar smoke combo - or if you are [edit] entirely clueless [/edit] and really think this would improve the game experience for everyone involved. Yeah, Black is an open sore, but then, it's only tier 9 and the guns ain't that good. Also, entirely unrelated, but if someone hides his stats, you can look at the clans last transfers and there you see their name in a distinctive colour, indicative of their skill level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GWR] illy Players 913 posts 18,816 battles Report post #7 Posted July 10, 2022 funny watching all those new Blacks smoke up and blind their team for a couple of minutes at a time with huge smoke screens, still not got old that one yet 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,378 battles Report post #8 Posted July 10, 2022 No. It's strong enough as is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SodaBubbles Players 1,553 posts 1,028 battles Report post #9 Posted July 10, 2022 7 hours ago, CVs_Report_Blacklist said: it is not balanced ship to begin with , how you can ask for more ? smoke + radar is already a cheat and toxic ... Its why i didnt buy Black. DDs should not have radar. Let alone with smoke... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OHFK] Shadeshots Beta Tester 637 posts 18,294 battles Report post #10 Posted July 10, 2022 I love how people moan about black, black has been in the game for years think yourself lucky you late comers could even get it, I bought it back when it cost steel. Which is now a waste because WG let you get it for free. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #11 Posted July 11, 2022 Black is good enough however they have to make the same thing as the Fletcher - update the model itself cause they didn't do it. Shame cause they could do it just like how they did it with Sims, the old USN premium DD. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[0KILL] AkerJack Players 444 posts Report post #12 Posted July 11, 2022 You missed the double barrel guns... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-F] OldPappy Players 758 posts 21,952 battles Report post #13 Posted July 11, 2022 I just got the Black and I love it. But it feels almost like cheating taking her out….😔 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Mandyxx Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 561 posts 29,499 battles Report post #14 Posted July 11, 2022 11 hours ago, _DemonGuard_ said: And while you're at it, please give it a superheal und add 30-40 kn torp speed, that would make it even more fun. Torps are ok, better add another set :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #15 Posted July 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Shadeshots said: I love how people moan about black, black has been in the game for years think yourself lucky you late comers could even get it, I bought it back when it cost steel. Which is now a waste because WG let you get it for free. Wait, you paid for steel? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #16 Posted July 11, 2022 38 minutes ago, Figment said: Wait, you paid for steel? No. He Quote bought it back when it cost steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #17 Posted July 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said: No. He So when it was also free. (Coal and Steel are both free resources, steel just harder to get - I'm not in a clan, I don't get steel that much, but it's still technically free as say Moskva didn't cost me anything). Hint: I was being sarcastic. ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HPF] Ocsimano18 Players 3,476 posts 13,949 battles Report post #18 Posted July 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Shadeshots said: I love how people moan about black, black has been in the game for years think yourself lucky you late comers could even get it, I bought it back when it cost steel. Which is now a waste because WG let you get it for free. Free? It’s 300k coal. You got it for 14k steel, I don’t feel that it was a bad deal. I can get the Forrest Sherman at T10 for less coal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I401] That_Other_Nid Players 969 posts 11,943 battles Report post #19 Posted July 11, 2022 It's a fat [edited]and the slow torpedoes are a pain. It's party trick is the radar but it would be a lot worse with 5.5 km hydro like Loyang. 24 seconds is not a long time. I bought it as it as a T 9 DD to use when I reset the US DD line. I usually run it with DFAA as the radar is not that critical to good fletcher play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #20 Posted July 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said: Free? It’s 300k coal. You got it for 14k steel, I don’t feel that it was a bad deal. I can get the Forrest Sherman at T10 for less coal. Black was at first only avaliable to those that made it to Rank 1 5 times in a row (in the old Ranked system), and then it later became avaliable for steel. But back then steel could only be obtained in Clan Wars, not in Ranked (actually maybe in the very top ranks, but nowhere near as much as now) and not from missions. So 14k steel back then was actually a pretty hefty investment, much more so than today I would argue. And coal as a resource have also been easier and easier to get. Sure the time investment is always there but getting a Black (or any resource ship) now is so much easier than a few years ago. But to also keep this a bit on topic, @Puffin_ you do realise what you are suggesting is completely whacked balance wise? At least I hope you do. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HPF] Ocsimano18 Players 3,476 posts 13,949 battles Report post #21 Posted July 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, ollonborre said: Black was at first only avaliable to those that made it to Rank 1 5 times in a row (in the old Ranked system), and then it later became avaliable for steel. But back then steel could only be obtained in Clan Wars, not in Ranked (actually maybe in the very top ranks, but nowhere near as much as now) and not from missions. So 14k steel back then was actually a pretty hefty investment, much more so than today I would argue. And coal as a resource have also been easier and easier to get. Sure the time investment is always there but getting a Black (or any resource ship) now is so much easier than a few years ago. But to also keep this a bit on topic, @Puffin_ you do realise what you are suggesting is completely whacked balance wise? At least I hope you do. Black was removed less than two years ago when 14k steel was not hard to come by. The issue was that people were rather buying Stalingrad or Bourgogne than blasting their steel on a T9 DD. Back then I converted about 10k steel to coal as I was rather interested in getting the likes of Jean-Bart/Georgia/Smolensk for coal than a T9 steel DD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[V-I-P] deathsadow Players 816 posts 11,045 battles Report post #22 Posted July 11, 2022 18 hours ago, Puffin_ said: Give black British hydro And some more speed. This would help when farming in smoke and the speed would help changing sides and help with Radar other DD's in smoke. These changes would make Black more fun to play If War gaming is thinking of some balance changes to Black If you think Black needs buff i would recommend learing to play it properly. Both Black and Benham is broken OP for T9. And if we are at asking buffs for OP ships WG should add Radar, Super Heal and 32mm base HE Pen to the Smolensk so it will be more fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NORAY] FlyingBender Players 554 posts 14,736 battles Report post #23 Posted July 11, 2022 black is balanced. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Figment Beta Tester 3,801 posts 10,499 battles Report post #24 Posted July 11, 2022 What is black should stay black. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAMAR] Puffin_ Players 737 posts Report post #25 Posted July 11, 2022 9 hours ago, deathsadow said: If you think Black needs buff i would recommend learing to play it properly. Both Black and Benham is broken OP for T9. And if we are at asking buffs for OP ships WG should add Radar, Super Heal and 32mm base HE Pen to the Smolensk so it will be more fun. I just do not want any nerfing changes to Black. It is way to much fun to radar other DD's while staying in smoke So if Wargaming wanted to make changes to Black. I wanted to help them to find the right direction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
