Should WG keep the " only one Ship of Each Type" Rule in Upcomming CB´s?

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

Greetings community
 

In the last few days I have received more and more questions regarding the topic " Should we keep the rule we had in the CB season before last - to be able to use only one ship of the same type " ?


To me it is obvious that this rule was one of the best decisions, if not the best decision ever made by WG regarding CB rules. This is the only way to ensure enough diversity and avoid the same and boring tripple this and tripple that setups.

I also see no disadvantage in this rule and f WG's would not be Forced to Create new Restrictions for every Season , and could keep in return one Permanent Rule for all Seasons.
 

Now we all know how WG likes to handle such things and that the opinion of the community is unfortunately often more bad than good attentioned by WG. I have therefore decided to start an effectively representative survey that will be distributed internationally and across servers. I will try to get streamers and CC's on board to help with the distribution of the survey.
 

And I call you - all the big and active clans - to support this survey, to distribute the link accordingly in your Discords and co and to make your contribution. Only in this way we can have an effective influence on WG´s Decisions.
 

Link to the survey --------------------> https://strawpoll.com/polls/6QnM7NMpVZe
 

@ The mod´s pls Close that Post for answares. A discussion about that can be done but pls in a seperate Post then.
 

Love greetings Toxic

 

[KielYourself]

23 minutes ago, TOXIC_DD_MAIN said:

To me it is obvious that this rule was one of the best decisions, if not the best decision ever made by WG regarding CB rules. This is the only way to ensure enough diversity and avoid the same and boring tripple this and tripple that setups.

I also see no disadvantage in this rule and f WG's would not be Forced to Create new Restrictions for every Season , and could keep in return one Permanent Rule for all Seasons.

 

This was by far the worst rule WG implemented in the t10 season. It created only 1 setup that everyone ran in typhoon +

Kremlin

Ohio
Moskva
Napoli

Petro

Ragnar 

Smaland
 

Much diversity in these 7 ships and tactics...

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

Vor 13 Minuten, Miki12345 sagte:

This was by far the worst rule WG implemented in the t10 season. It created only 1 setup that everyone ran in typhoon +

Kremlin

Ohio
Moskva
Napoli

Petro

Ragnar 

Smaland
 

Much diversity in these 7 ships and tactics...

i see so 2x napoli 2x conde and 2x smaland seems more fine then yeah ?

or the 2 kiew 2 aki 2 x cossac crap we will se next season xd

i mean i try to get this ..

i remember vor 5x venezia seasons
3 stalin seasons. 4 petro seasons
and the only season that wasnt possible was the bad one on ur opinion.. nkay.. i mean that is what a poll is for : voting and see what the mass want

[KielYourself]

1 minute ago, TOXIC_DD_MAIN said:

or the 2 kiew 2 aki 2 x cossac crap we will se next season xd

If you see this next season its an easy win for you. Last t8 season still had bbs and cruisers to counter this.

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

Vor 1 Minute, Miki12345 sagte:

If you see this next season its an easy win for you. Last t8 season still had bbs and cruisers to counter this.

ah yes i remmeber the 1 bb , 4x radar edin and 2 cossac counter. ye that was cb diversity in gold form ^^

[KielYourself]

9 minutes ago, TOXIC_DD_MAIN said:

ah yes i remmeber the 1 bb , 4x radar edin and 2 cossac counter. ye that was cb diversity in gold form ^^

It couldnt have been 7 ships cuz it was a 6 player format, you dont even know what youre talking about...

[SimplyKarl]

I personally feel like that the format should change every 2 weeks for example in a cb season to ensure some diversity. One time this could be done by certain ship bans and for the next 2 it could be done by ship limitations.
I guess in this way you would also see more creative approaches to it since there isn't that much time for a meta lineup to evolve nor to copy it.
Having some regulations for the whole season almost always ends up becoming boring.
 

[S_t_i_n_g_r_a_y]

It's the question of the day... How many salvos a Baltimore can take from 2 or 3 Kiev before he dies from 11klm? 

[SimplyKarl]

Vor 35 Minuten, Miki12345 sagte:

This was by far the worst rule WG implemented in the t10 season. It created only 1 setup that everyone ran in typhoon +

Kremlin

Ohio
Moskva
Napoli

Petro

Ragnar 

Smaland
 

Much diversity in these 7 ships and tactics...

Thats 100% true :P

We did run it down with Schlieffen in AAO and i remember that PTA used haru and nevsky

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, TOXIC_DD_MAIN said:

Greetings community
 

In the last few days I have received more and more questions regarding the topic " Should we keep the rule we had in the CB season before last - to be able to use only one ship of the same type " ?


To me it is obvious that this rule was one of the best decisions, if not the best decision ever made by WG regarding CB rules. This is the only way to ensure enough diversity and avoid the same and boring tripple this and tripple that setups.

I also see no disadvantage in this rule and f WG's would not be Forced to Create new Restrictions for every Season , and could keep in return one Permanent Rule for all Seasons.
 

Now we all know how WG likes to handle such things and that the opinion of the community is unfortunately often more bad than good attentioned by WG. I have therefore decided to start an effectively representative survey that will be distributed internationally and across servers. I will try to get streamers and CC's on board to help with the distribution of the survey.
 

And I call you - all the big and active clans - to support this survey, to distribute the link accordingly in your Discords and co and to make your contribution. Only in this way we can have an effective influence on WG´s Decisions.
 

Link to the survey --------------------> https://strawpoll.com/polls/6QnM7NMpVZe
 

@ The mod´s pls Close that Post for answares. A discussion about that can be done but pls in a seperate Post then.
 

Love greetings Toxic

 

Suggestion from World of Tanks Clan Wars, at least from what I remember back from ye ancient days:

 

Ships sunk during Clan Battles are locked out for a period, in WoT case it was whole week. That way you can't run perfect setup of 

54 minutes ago, Miki12345 said:

Kremlin

Ohio
Moskva
Napoli

Petro

Ragnar 

Smaland

and you have to rotate ships or players.

[S_t_i_n_g_r_a_y]

47 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Suggestion from World of Tanks Clan Wars, at least from what I remember back from ye ancient days:

 

Ships sunk during Clan Battles are locked out for a period, in WoT case it was whole week. That way you can't run perfect setup of 

and you have to rotate ships or players.

Wow.... Very interesting proposition.... From the past.... 

[Dutchy_2019]

2 hours ago, Miki12345 said:

This was by far the worst rule WG implemented in the t10 season. It created only 1 setup that everyone ran in typhoon +

Kremlin

Ohio
Moskva
Napoli

Petro

Ragnar 

Smaland
 

Much diversity in these 7 ships and tactics...

 

Frankly I think your problem is not so much the choices of ship available, but it is the fact that you play at the highest level - no matter what the rules and regs are, based on what I hear from players in high level clans, it is almost certain that a solid meta wil develop, with top level clans fielding identiacal or almost identical line-ups, with the occasional rare exception when they want to try something out.

 

For lower level clans, I think the rules provide more flexibility

[Dutchy_2019]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Suggestion from World of Tanks Clan Wars, at least from what I remember back from ye ancient days:

 

Ships sunk during Clan Battles are locked out for a period, in WoT case it was whole week. That way you can't run perfect setup of 

and you have to rotate ships or players.

 

That would be the death of CBs for smaller clans, where players do NOT have a near unlimited line-up, and where the number of available players for the clan is also seriously limited.

 

[Yedwy]

@op yes they should otherwise we will have 5xifhe kiev and a massa/vlad/bama/lenin/norcal (choose your fav) meta

[Panocek]

6 minutes ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

 

That would be the death of CBs for smaller clans, where players do NOT have a near unlimited line-up, and where the number of available players for the clan is also seriously limited.

 

And so it was death for any smaller clan in WoT, as to have any meaningful presence on the map back then you had to field 3-6 teams of 15x T10 tanks, with enough in reserve to soak up losses

on the upside, you could also fill up the gaps with lower tiers back then.

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

now this is not something that will solve all problems at once - that is not the intention.

I think there are 2-3 points that play into this matter.

1) generally more variations

- comp clans in particular see this thing logically skeptical. of course they would also be for diversity, but a meta in which you meet something different every round and have to adapt ... also means more work. Meta that meant until now to have a setup that fits everything, and every round to meet the same as possible to perform consistently.

but i'm honestly on the point of view that just that, every round to stand in front of a new situation . to have a strong FC who makes a plan and then wins should be the core of the comp which is why i understand the above statement but do not support it.

2) limiting players through meta picks

another thing we should look at, which is undoubtedly more important than point one, is that players are currently under an incredible amount of "pick" pressure. What you have no smaland ? no ohio ?

the above rule would force clans to use more ships, which would increase the range of usable ships, making it easier for players, especially newer ones, to access viable CB clans.

3) a fixed rule is certainly not ideal either.

of course not. how could it be ? in theory it would probably make sense to integrate different things.

- a system in which in the 3 lower leagues a "only one ship of the same choice" is valid to support casual more.

- but in hurricane "meta" is allowed, so it works without restrictions.

- a system that maybe randomly bans 50% of the known "meta picks" in each season or something like that

and so on and so forth

nevertheless i think this rule as a start , and first step in the right direction is right and makes sense

[KielYourself]

1 hour ago, Dutchy_2019 said:

 

For lower level clans, I think the rules provide more flexibility

For lower clans it doesnt matter you can take any ship and win therefore not needing bans.

[Dutchy_2019]

13 minutes ago, Miki12345 said:

For lower clans it doesnt matter you can take any ship and win therefore not needing bans.

 

You and your clan mates might be able to, but many lower level casual clans might not. Because then there will be a stale meta even there, forced by the 'We all take Petro" theme that was seen in the past. 

You did actually see it in the season where CV was allowed, where even low level clans fielded pretty much all Graf Spee line-ups.

[Sub_Human]

8 hours ago, Yedwy said:

@op yes they should otherwise we will have 5xifhe kiev and a massa/vlad/bama/lenin/norcal (choose your fav) meta

Is Kiev better then LeTerible?

[Yedwy]

7 hours ago, Systergummi said:

Is Kiev better then LeTerible?

Kiev has heal

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

#push

[Itwastuesday]

Idk if I care. You'd have to ban everything good before you'd start seeing Zao Hindenburg or smth, and I'm not sure I'd be excited for HIV Hindy Zao Nevsky kitemax cruisercomp over a petro comp anyway... The problem is that cruisers are boring and worthless as a class. The exceptions like Petro are hated because they do something.

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

Vor 12 Minuten, Itwastuesday sagte:

Idk if I care. You'd have to ban everything good before you'd start seeing Zao Hindenburg or smth, and I'm not sure I'd be excited for HIV Hindy Zao Nevsky kitemax cruisercomp over a petro comp anyway... The problem is that cruisers are boring and worthless as a class. The exceptions like Petro are hated because they do something.

ye kinda true in some cases .. espcialy the last t8 season was showing that since the t8 cruisers are basicly "almost" helpless against a well played gun dd setup

 

[Durin_VI]

9 hours ago, Systergummi said:

Is Kiev better then LeTerible?

Kiev not only has heals but also secondaries 

 

[TOXIC_DD_MAIN]

Vor 22 Minuten, Durin_VI sagte:

Kiev not only has heals but also secondaries 

 

#this

orkan might become usable aswell .. but the dd meta overall dont realy changed...

 

we got ships like borodino/flandre/atlantico wich might become usable and on cruiser side a lot changed at all. last time we had t8 .. eugen , edin and atago was the only heal cruisers ish? now we have a hole bunch of new cruisers so the meta will have a shake up i guess