P.Heinrich and the new German line

[deathsadow]

Can someone help with this new line of German BBs ?

 

This BB line is the worst i have ever played in my 7 years of WoWs, if i compare it to the old KM BB line the T5,6,7 all fail miserably, I would gladly take even the Bayern over the Heinrich as a T7, not to mention the Gneisenau or Scharnhorst. Whats the trick with this line, how do you guys counteract the pathetic firepower of this ships, or what is the trick to at least squeze out some medicore resoults from them ?

 

Whats my issue with the line sofar:

 

• Lack of penetration, the AP very often just shatter on BBs, on 13km i already start to shatter shots on the belts of ships like the Gneis with the Heinrich, the T5-6 ones already had this effect starting on 10km. 
• Lack of accuracy,  8 guns with 1.5 sigma hurts , if i land 3 shell thats already a lucky salvo, the Gneis has 1.8 sigma & most of the time due to turret angles both ship can only keep 6 barel on target without getting full pens in return.
• Low speed on the Heinrich, 28kts vs the 32kts of the Gneisenau, this ship is nowhere near as good in closing up as the Gneis.
• Low armor compared to the Scharn and Gneis, staying angled still works well, and the 30mm ice breaker helps a lot , but angling cuts down the firepower even more.

 

What seems to be fine on the ship:

 

• 2nd guns are pretty accurate tough the 150s load pretty slow and the 105s cant pen 32mm
• Its pretty stealthy for a BB

 

Is this just my opinion of this line sofar that the main battery firepower is extremly lacking, the armor is workable at best, and the mobility isnt that great eighter, or it is a general consensus on the ships ? What tactics should be used for this line, and what are the real strenghts of ship like Heinrich ? 

 

Also is this aspect of weak guns staying for the T8,9,10 ships of the line or the 406s are more in line with the guns seen on the FDR and GK in terms of penetration and shell speed ? Or what direction the high tier goes in terms of gameplay?

 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Secondaries, weak armour, long range torps.

[ColonelPete]

• aim at targets where your AP penetrates
• the guns are more accurate, as the base dispersion is better
• Use your secondaries

 

Overall the line outperforms most other BB lines.

[GrossadmiralThrawn]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

Overall the line outperforms most other BB lines.

Just waiting for the Spreadsheet decision of "Too good. Nerfhammer!" Tot he extent that it takes the accuracy away and nerfes the Secondaries because of the strong trorpedos

[ollonborre]

From what I can tell the tier 5-8 is pretty pants, tier 9 is good and tier 10 is great and even OP in some modes.

 

The tier 9-10 get similar gun performance of the GK and FDG, but their secondaries, concealment and speed are in a different league.

[Ubertron_X]

25 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• aim at targets where your AP penetrates
• the guns are more accurate, as the base dispersion is better
• Use your secondaries

Overall the line outperforms most other BB lines.

My only gripes with the new line is captain dependency. Because when I put a 10-pointer in a normal BB I usually am suitably fine, even if it is a secondary ship like Tirpitz or Pommern, however when I put a 10-pointer in any of the new "soft" German BCs I most of the time just feel like target practice.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

On 6/26/2022 at 1:05 PM, deathsadow said:

Can someone help with this new line of German BBs ?

 

This BB line is the worst i have ever played in my 7 years of WoWs, if i compare it to the old KM BB line the T5,6,7 all fail miserably, I would gladly take even the Bayern over the Heinrich as a T7, not to mention the Gneisenau or Scharnhorst. Whats the trick with this line, how do you guys counteract the pathetic firepower of this ships, or what is the trick to at least squeze out some medicore resoults from them ?

 

It couldn't possibly be the worst BB line in 7 years. German accuracy is pretty okay for a BB and way better than the old german BBs were before the dispersion buff. So the old german BB line was initially worse than the new line is right now. The Italian BBs initially had 1,7 sigma and bad mediocre dispersion plus long reload. They were way worse and didn't compensate that with secondaries as the new german BBs do. The Rupprecht is even one of the best ships in the current 1v1 brawl. Also the 2nd american BB line needed several buffs to even keep up and I'll skip over talking about Monarch and Lion.

 

The german BBs are battlecruisers. They have very good secondaries, that deal a lot of damage. They also have torpedoes, the Rupprecht even has two launchers per side. That all makes german BCs very good at brawling at mid range and then moving in for the kill. If you hate DDs, that is the line to play. Good hydro to spot any torps and rush smokes. Torps to prevent DDs from drive-bys and secondaries to immediately melt DDs spotted within their torps range.

 

As long as you keep moving to prevent enemies from aiming for your weak spots, you should be fine.

[Corpsetaker]

Hello,

 

With this line of Battleships your job is to essentially wait until the chaos begins and then move in with secondaries blazing, torps swimming, and guns going to broadsides. Your secondaries will crush DD's who get too close and you have hydro to help keep you safe. 

[doerhoff_damian]

I like the Battlecruisers. They are a line of fast and maneuverable Ships with great secondaries but with weaker guns and a bit weaker armor. But the Armor is still good if you can angle against the enemy

 

From Tier 3-6 the Battlecruisers are a lot faster compared to the Dreadnoughts but have weaker guns or less of them. You will notice the extra Speed especially in low Tier.

 

The Tier 7 is a nice Continuation from Tier 6. Mackensen with bigger guns.  But since the Main Line now has the modern fast Battleships your Battlecruiser is actually slower but has more firepower. Battlecruisers get Torps at Tier 7.

 

At Tier 8 the Battlecruiser get their Speed Advantage back and you also get bicker guns. From Tier 8 you start getting some massive Secondary Power

 

Tier 9-10 the Battlecruisers are faster and a lot more maneuverable with massive Secondary Power but with less health and weaker guns

[Fediuld]

1 hour ago, deathsadow said:

Can someone help with this new line of German BBs ?

 

This BB line is the worst i have ever played in my 7 years of WoWs, if i compare it to the old KM BB line the T5,6,7 all fail miserably, I would gladly take even the Bayern over the Heinrich as a T7, not to mention the Gneisenau or Scharnhorst. Whats the trick with this line, how do you guys counteract the pathetic firepower of this ships, or what is the trick to at least squeze out some medicore resoults from them ?

 

Whats my issue with the line sofar:

 

• Lack of penetration, the AP very often just shatter on BBs, on 13km i already start to shatter shots on the belts of ships like the Gneis with the Heinrich, the T5-6 ones already had this effect starting on 10km. 
• Lack of accuracy,  8 guns with 1.5 sigma hurts , if i land 3 shell thats already a lucky salvo, the Gneis has 1.8 sigma & most of the time due to turret angles both ship can only keep 6 barel on target without getting full pens in return.
• Low speed on the Heinrich, 28kts vs the 32kts of the Gneisenau, this ship is nowhere near as good in closing up as the Gneis.
• Low armor compared to the Scharn and Gneis, staying angled still works well, and the 30mm ice breaker helps a lot , but angling cuts down the firepower even more.

 

What seems to be fine on the ship:

 

• 2nd guns are pretty accurate tough the 150s load pretty slow and the 105s cant pen 32mm
• Its pretty stealthy for a BB

 

Is this just my opinion of this line sofar that the main battery firepower is extremly lacking, the armor is workable at best, and the mobility isnt that great eighter, or it is a general consensus on the ships ? What tactics should be used for this line, and what are the real strenghts of ship like Heinrich ? 

 

Also is this aspect of weak guns staying for the T8,9,10 ships of the line or the 406s are more in line with the guns seen on the FDR and GK in terms of penetration and shell speed ? Or what direction the high tier goes in terms of gameplay?

 

You overthink it. 

 

The battlecruiser line are amazing ships, ideal for secondary setup, bow tanking and use your torps. 

They work amazingly well in ranked battles too. 

 

DO NOT TRY TO KITE using your back. 

 

[illy]

i think the Heinrich is a pretty good ship, it can smack other ships hard

[ColonelPete]

Considering that she still outperforms Sinop, she cannot be that bad.

 

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[Itwastuesday]

I thought Heinrich is pretty decent. Tier-appropriate caliber and number of barrels... Unlike the disappointing garbage that follows 

[Fediuld]

37 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

I thought Heinrich is pretty decent. Tier-appropriate caliber and number of barrels... Unlike the disappointing garbage that follows 

With Zieten, I have 3 random (3 victories) and the rest were Ranked with 67% WR. Is a fantastic ship for ranked as a brawler 

Everyone is scared the torps while secondaries rain fire. 

[Itwastuesday]

7 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

With Zieten, I have 3 random (3 victories) and the rest were Ranked with 67% WR. Is a fantastic ship for ranked as a brawler 

Everyone is scared the torps while secondaries rain fire. 

Okay? I have ~60% WR in randos with Zieten and think it's trash in either mode.

[SodaBubbles]

Zieten is trash, I never played it. They could probably swap Zieten and Heinrich and the line would improve. 

Mostly my complaint about those ships is when they are on my team. 90% of the German BC line players are morons who want to charge in. Coupled with their poor armor, they are easy prey. I like seeing them on Red. I'd rather face Rupprecht than Pommern, JBart, or the utterly broken Musashi. 

[Spellfire40]

5 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Okay? I have ~60% WR in randos with Zieten and think it's trash in either mode.

WR is decent here too PR and damage done? rather low compared to the "normal" line. Not that id like playing either much not really a BB player just a compleatist. Schliefen dont work for me at all but then again im decent in Bringesi but Venecia hates me perhaps its just T10 crap games 

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Zieten is trash, I never played it. 

The wows playerbase in a nutshell... 

[Ronchabale]

Nothing wrong with Prinz Heinrich

(apart from being OP on Narai)

 

 

 

[ItsEyeJasper]

OP is clearly playing the ship badly/incorrectly.  

 

For the ships i have over 20 Games in she is tied 3rd for my Win Rate @ 60.71% and 1st for Average Damage and 5th for PR.

 

The rest of the Line is more or less the same they are all strong Ships. 

The T9 one is the one i most enjoyed however it is also the one i have the worst W/R. Which is strange because I have my 2nd highest average damage and highest average Frags @ T9 in her. I would guess that match making did not favor me.

 

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[SodaBubbles]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

The wows playerbase in a nutshell... 

Sorry, should be 'i never play it' but google voice to text ...

[arttuperkunas]

18 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Considering that she still outperforms Sinop, she cannot be that bad.

 

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Sinop UP, please buff

[Panocek]

22 hours ago, deathsadow said:

Can someone help with this new line of German BBs ?

 

This BB line is the worst i have ever played in my 7 years of WoWs, if i compare it to the old KM BB line the T5,6,7 all fail miserably, I would gladly take even the Bayern over the Heinrich as a T7, not to mention the Gneisenau or Scharnhorst. Whats the trick with this line, how do you guys counteract the pathetic firepower of this ships, or what is the trick to at least squeze out some medicore resoults from them ?

 

Whats my issue with the line sofar:

 

• Lack of penetration, the AP very often just shatter on BBs, on 13km i already start to shatter shots on the belts of ships like the Gneis with the Heinrich, the T5-6 ones already had this effect starting on 10km. 
• Lack of accuracy,  8 guns with 1.5 sigma hurts , if i land 3 shell thats already a lucky salvo, the Gneis has 1.8 sigma & most of the time due to turret angles both ship can only keep 6 barel on target without getting full pens in return.
• Low speed on the Heinrich, 28kts vs the 32kts of the Gneisenau, this ship is nowhere near as good in closing up as the Gneis.
• Low armor compared to the Scharn and Gneis, staying angled still works well, and the 30mm ice breaker helps a lot , but angling cuts down the firepower even more.

 

What seems to be fine on the ship:

 

• 2nd guns are pretty accurate tough the 150s load pretty slow and the 105s cant pen 32mm
• Its pretty stealthy for a BB

 

Is this just my opinion of this line sofar that the main battery firepower is extremly lacking, the armor is workable at best, and the mobility isnt that great eighter, or it is a general consensus on the ships ? What tactics should be used for this line, and what are the real strenghts of ship like Heinrich ? 

 

Also is this aspect of weak guns staying for the T8,9,10 ships of the line or the 406s are more in line with the guns seen on the FDR and GK in terms of penetration and shell speed ? Or what direction the high tier goes in terms of gameplay?

 

This line, just like most recent additions to the game are meant to be "played" by free exping them to tier 9-10.

 

And then Ger BC line was essentially balanced as secondary barge with some long range fishes, with main guns being bit of an afterthought.

[deathsadow]

6 hours ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

OP is clearly playing the ship badly/incorrectly.  

 

For the ships i have over 20 Games in she is tied 3rd for my Win Rate @ 60.71% and 1st for Average Damage and 5th for PR.

 

The rest of the Line is more or less the same they are all strong Ships. 

The T9 one is the one i most enjoyed however it is also the one i have the worst W/R. Which is strange because I have my 2nd highest average damage and highest average Frags @ T9 in her. I would guess that match making did not favor me.

 

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Can you give me some tips on how to play it ? 

 

I tend to play it the same way as i played the old KM BB line, which short of worked out on the lower tiers on this one too, but playing the Heinrich around its detection range up until late game doesnt seem to work , the guns simply lack the pen and the accuracy to hit consistent salvoes , yeah they hit the enemy ship 30% of the time on this 14km ish range , but they seem to go all over the ship mostly hitting for overpens or shatters on the belt.

 

Im really open to any suggestions as i still got like 120k to grind on this ship , but in the 6 games i ahd sofar the guns just refused to work and get regular pens or citadells.

5 hours ago, Panocek said:

This line, just like most recent additions to the game are meant to be "played" by free exping them to tier 9-10.

 

And then Ger BC line was essentially balanced as secondary barge with some long range fishes, with main guns being bit of an afterthought.

Yeah thats what i guess aswell, the 406s will surely fix the penetration issue on the Rupprecht and the 1.7 sigma is definetly going to be a gamechanger after the 1.5, also that extra 4 kts will help a lot.

 

20 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

I thought Heinrich is pretty decent. Tier-appropriate caliber and number of barrels... Unlike the disappointing garbage that follows 

Was Zeiten a pain to play ? What was the issue with that one ?

[deathsadow]

20 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

I thought Heinrich is pretty decent. Tier-appropriate caliber and number of barrels... Unlike the disappointing garbage that follows 

Personally my main concer with the ship was the firepower of the main guns ... it felt like playing a Bayern with the added fun of facing T9